Hi frends
The topic is nice and the arguments presented are even nicer. I saw most of the people who presented their thoughts are neutral saying that gender doesn’t matter what matter is competencies. Well friends lets get real and stop being diplomatic and let’s understand the question first. The question is who is better Male or Female. No one ever said a female/male without competencies will be a better HR what it means is that two individual with same level of competencies who will perform better? Am I right vinay?
Now here I quote an article on this subject matter, Happy Reading:
How Real Women Get Ahead: The Woman's Advantage at Work
Forget what you’ve heard about “being one of the boys,” “having it all,” and “going for the jugular.” Here is how real women get ahead.
Get In Line
According to Catalyst’s 2002 Census of Women Corporate Officers and Top Earners, women fill less than ten percent of line positions held by corporate officers and just 5.2 percent of top earners at Fortune 500 companies are women. Is there a correlation? Absolutely. Half of women executives and sixty-eight percent of CEOs say that lack of significant line experience “holds women back” (Catalyst, Women in U.S. Corporate Leadership, 2003).
Knowing that line experience is critical, get prepared. Study financial management, become an expert in a functional area such as strategic planning, manufacturing, marketing or sales, serve on a nonprofit or advisory board and, the minute the opportunity arises, take a position with profit and loss responsibility.
When Margaret Morford, 50, of Brentwood, Tennessee, was Vice President of Human Resources for a large distribution company, she recalls, “I took the same finance for non-financial managers course three times until I got it. I used that financial knowledge to demonstrate Human Resources’ impact to the bottom line. Once I started speaking in numbers, the senior managers in my peer group began to view Human Resources as a business partner rather than as an administrative drain on revenues.”
Remember Who You Are
In 2005, The Center for Work/Life Policy asked women what they want in the workplace. Seventy-nine percent of women said “the freedom to be myself at work.” Ask a man if he desires to “be himself at work,” and you will probably get the same glassy stare I got when I asked my husband that question. But when I asked women leaders, I heard stories like the one my friend, Pam Judd, age 53, shared.
Shortly after she began working for Levi’s, Pam was advised by her boss and peers that if she wanted to get ahead, she shouldn’t be so nice. The essential Pam is a very nice person – caring, empathetic, someone who remembers every event in her friends’ and family’s lives with a card or a phone call. Pam ignored that early advice, made the decision to be herself, and stayed the course. Now, 33 years later, she is a sales director, one of the top female leaders in her company, and still nice.
Communicate Superbly
Almost fifty percent of women executives cite “developing a style with which male managers are comfortable” as critical to success (Catalyst, Women in U.S. Corporate Leadership, 2003).
Dr. Pat Heim, author of Invisible Rules: Men, Women and Teams, writes, “women often use hedges, disclaimers and tag questions in their speech to involve the other person and maintain the all-important relationship in female culture. When men hear this, they incorrectly assume a woman either does not know what she is talking about, or that she is insecure about her ideas.”
Lisa Steiner, age 46, Vice President, Brown-Forman Corporation, Louisville, Kentucky, says, “In my experience, women who regularly ask for advice and are tentative are viewed as needy – not the best perception if your goal is to reach the top.” Steiner adds, “It has taken me years to refine my decision-making skills but now I have learned not to second guess myself.”
Regards
Rima
From India, Madras
5The topic is nice and the arguments presented are even nicer. I saw most of the people who presented their thoughts are neutral saying that gender doesn’t matter what matter is competencies. Well friends lets get real and stop being diplomatic and let’s understand the question first. The question is who is better Male or Female. No one ever said a female/male without competencies will be a better HR what it means is that two individual with same level of competencies who will perform better? Am I right vinay?
Now here I quote an article on this subject matter, Happy Reading:
How Real Women Get Ahead: The Woman's Advantage at Work
Forget what you’ve heard about “being one of the boys,” “having it all,” and “going for the jugular.” Here is how real women get ahead.
Get In Line
According to Catalyst’s 2002 Census of Women Corporate Officers and Top Earners, women fill less than ten percent of line positions held by corporate officers and just 5.2 percent of top earners at Fortune 500 companies are women. Is there a correlation? Absolutely. Half of women executives and sixty-eight percent of CEOs say that lack of significant line experience “holds women back” (Catalyst, Women in U.S. Corporate Leadership, 2003).
Knowing that line experience is critical, get prepared. Study financial management, become an expert in a functional area such as strategic planning, manufacturing, marketing or sales, serve on a nonprofit or advisory board and, the minute the opportunity arises, take a position with profit and loss responsibility.
When Margaret Morford, 50, of Brentwood, Tennessee, was Vice President of Human Resources for a large distribution company, she recalls, “I took the same finance for non-financial managers course three times until I got it. I used that financial knowledge to demonstrate Human Resources’ impact to the bottom line. Once I started speaking in numbers, the senior managers in my peer group began to view Human Resources as a business partner rather than as an administrative drain on revenues.”
Remember Who You Are
In 2005, The Center for Work/Life Policy asked women what they want in the workplace. Seventy-nine percent of women said “the freedom to be myself at work.” Ask a man if he desires to “be himself at work,” and you will probably get the same glassy stare I got when I asked my husband that question. But when I asked women leaders, I heard stories like the one my friend, Pam Judd, age 53, shared.
Shortly after she began working for Levi’s, Pam was advised by her boss and peers that if she wanted to get ahead, she shouldn’t be so nice. The essential Pam is a very nice person – caring, empathetic, someone who remembers every event in her friends’ and family’s lives with a card or a phone call. Pam ignored that early advice, made the decision to be herself, and stayed the course. Now, 33 years later, she is a sales director, one of the top female leaders in her company, and still nice.
Communicate Superbly
Almost fifty percent of women executives cite “developing a style with which male managers are comfortable” as critical to success (Catalyst, Women in U.S. Corporate Leadership, 2003).
Dr. Pat Heim, author of Invisible Rules: Men, Women and Teams, writes, “women often use hedges, disclaimers and tag questions in their speech to involve the other person and maintain the all-important relationship in female culture. When men hear this, they incorrectly assume a woman either does not know what she is talking about, or that she is insecure about her ideas.”
Lisa Steiner, age 46, Vice President, Brown-Forman Corporation, Louisville, Kentucky, says, “In my experience, women who regularly ask for advice and are tentative are viewed as needy – not the best perception if your goal is to reach the top.” Steiner adds, “It has taken me years to refine my decision-making skills but now I have learned not to second guess myself.”
Regards
Rima
From India, Madras
Hello,
It'll be absolutely foolish to compare between two opposite sexes in any field particularly managerial activities. Both men & women have different personalities in their respective fields. In the present context, women communities have outnumbered men in almost all the departments but that doesn't mean a woman should be treated as equal as a man. There is definitely some psychological factors responsible for creating such differentiation between two opposite sexes. What my farsight says,if we look forward to another 100/200 years we may still have the male-dominated society. Actually Both men and women are indispensable for each other.Therefore,this word "dominate" shouldn't be misrepresented. So far as managerial ability is concerned it all depends on anyone's individual caliber(s)/efficiency(s).A successful manager is a successful captain of the team. Being a captain he/she has to expose his/her leadership qualities to take into the confidence of other players playing under him/her . It's not at all one man's show rather this is a team effort. Only the successful leadership is the main criteria to exhibit some one's successful managerial efficiency.Finally, we all should arrive at a conclusion that only the successful leadership will lead to a successful HR manager (be He/She) as leadership skill is possessed by both men & women. So we shouldn't differentiate between two opposite sexes.
[Biswajit Pani]
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From India, Bhubaneswar
It'll be absolutely foolish to compare between two opposite sexes in any field particularly managerial activities. Both men & women have different personalities in their respective fields. In the present context, women communities have outnumbered men in almost all the departments but that doesn't mean a woman should be treated as equal as a man. There is definitely some psychological factors responsible for creating such differentiation between two opposite sexes. What my farsight says,if we look forward to another 100/200 years we may still have the male-dominated society. Actually Both men and women are indispensable for each other.Therefore,this word "dominate" shouldn't be misrepresented. So far as managerial ability is concerned it all depends on anyone's individual caliber(s)/efficiency(s).A successful manager is a successful captain of the team. Being a captain he/she has to expose his/her leadership qualities to take into the confidence of other players playing under him/her . It's not at all one man's show rather this is a team effort. Only the successful leadership is the main criteria to exhibit some one's successful managerial efficiency.Finally, we all should arrive at a conclusion that only the successful leadership will lead to a successful HR manager (be He/She) as leadership skill is possessed by both men & women. So we shouldn't differentiate between two opposite sexes.
[Biswajit Pani]
E-mail Id. :
From India, Bhubaneswar
I agree with what Mona says............ Women are more empathetic , are patient and willing to listen to others problem..................men are normally short tempered ( sorry guys ) and want a quick fix soln for all probs which does not work always...............................
From India, Khopoli
From India, Khopoli
Dear Friends,
Very interesting topic. I read all the version and most of the comments are just A CAT ON THE WALL. My view is ; the women are very much useful in Office Administrative works. Regarding IT Industries are concern most of the jobs are recreuitment, training, general office administration etc. If you go for any manufacturing process industries where the working class people and contract workers are working and also where the union matters are involve the women HR professionals may not mingled, beacuse the situations as such.
Regards,
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PBS KUMAR
From India, Kakinada
Very interesting topic. I read all the version and most of the comments are just A CAT ON THE WALL. My view is ; the women are very much useful in Office Administrative works. Regarding IT Industries are concern most of the jobs are recreuitment, training, general office administration etc. If you go for any manufacturing process industries where the working class people and contract workers are working and also where the union matters are involve the women HR professionals may not mingled, beacuse the situations as such.
Regards,
8)
PBS KUMAR
From India, Kakinada
Womens HR ALWAYS GET SYMPHATHY & SOFT CORNER FROM MANAGEMENT & BOSS.But they bdo not perform better in sections like IR ,ADMN AS BECAUSE OF SOME LIMITATIONS
Hey..... Anyone know this guy named rajeev raj who posted some ridiculous matter against oracle HR’s ? cheers felix
From India, New Delhi
From India, New Delhi
Dear Mr. Vinay Kumar,
Firstly, I am wondering from where this question has arised ? What are your expectations from question you have raised ? Is it going to helpful to you from organizational point of view ? If yes, how were you carrying out your duties/job till now ? What has your company achieved till now if the question is not clear to any of your officials, especially HR ?
Anyway, just to answer the question, I would like to say it just becomes a matter of how the Senior Management people feel about the job, the work responsibilities to be carried out, the posting location, amount of travel involved etc.
Lets not take the topic personally just as some of our other member friends have done. Lets go by the past trend:
Traditionally, if you observe any manufacturing unit, you will find more males overall and in HR as well. This is primarily because statutory compliances, union matters, production rounds etc were being carried out by Male HR. As such, there were not many females working till 1990s.
In contrast, software companies got set up in late 1990s, when liberalisation took place rapidly, add to that women really have excelled with professional qualifications etc and have begun with their careers in a big way.
Thus, it all depends on how your employer looks at the opening. Thats precisely why we have Job Specification, right ?
Regards,
Shaunak Marulkar
09423877450
From India, Mumbai
Firstly, I am wondering from where this question has arised ? What are your expectations from question you have raised ? Is it going to helpful to you from organizational point of view ? If yes, how were you carrying out your duties/job till now ? What has your company achieved till now if the question is not clear to any of your officials, especially HR ?
Anyway, just to answer the question, I would like to say it just becomes a matter of how the Senior Management people feel about the job, the work responsibilities to be carried out, the posting location, amount of travel involved etc.
Lets not take the topic personally just as some of our other member friends have done. Lets go by the past trend:
Traditionally, if you observe any manufacturing unit, you will find more males overall and in HR as well. This is primarily because statutory compliances, union matters, production rounds etc were being carried out by Male HR. As such, there were not many females working till 1990s.
In contrast, software companies got set up in late 1990s, when liberalisation took place rapidly, add to that women really have excelled with professional qualifications etc and have begun with their careers in a big way.
Thus, it all depends on how your employer looks at the opening. Thats precisely why we have Job Specification, right ?
Regards,
Shaunak Marulkar
09423877450
From India, Mumbai
Dear Sender
There is no distinquish between male or female, who has to be appointed and who is best one. The question is irrelevant.
Depend upon the culture/environment and type of organisation, appointment can be made. If labour unrest is prevailing often and uncontrolleable situation prevails, then male candidates can be considered
L.Kumar
From India, Madras
There is no distinquish between male or female, who has to be appointed and who is best one. The question is irrelevant.
Depend upon the culture/environment and type of organisation, appointment can be made. If labour unrest is prevailing often and uncontrolleable situation prevails, then male candidates can be considered
L.Kumar
From India, Madras
Hi All ,
i TAKE THE COURAGE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH.
iTS SINCE THE TIME WE GOT mnC'S ENTERING IN INDIA AND WE IN ORDER TO SHOW WEST STARTED HIRING FEMALES.
tAKE EXAMPLE OF hOTEL,bpo,iT ETC.MOST OF THE HR ARE FEMALES BECAUSE THEY STARTED SPEAKING AND ADOPTING uk AND us CULTURE AND STARTED to live and think their way.THEY LIKE FEMALES TO BE AROUND AS IT GIVES THEIR BOSSES PLEASURE and also work done. Male's in Office are hard working but generally are dumb because they have a fear of revolt form his fellow collegues because she being female.
on the contrary females are bold enough to play tricks as they know that males can easily be fooled by the natures law of attraction.
It has become a custom now to hire females for Front Ofice,Secretary,HR,Admin,House keeping,retails stores as they directly come in contact of male who do all the dirty and tiring job like,All Engineer(Except IT),Sales exec in Insurance,Chef,Waiter,Security,Manufacturing companies etc.
Hiring Female's is a strategy first and then need otherwise unlike other coutries we also would have actual gender equality.
Female personel are hired for pleasure and to handle males using laws of attractions.
From India, Mumbai
i TAKE THE COURAGE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH.
iTS SINCE THE TIME WE GOT mnC'S ENTERING IN INDIA AND WE IN ORDER TO SHOW WEST STARTED HIRING FEMALES.
tAKE EXAMPLE OF hOTEL,bpo,iT ETC.MOST OF THE HR ARE FEMALES BECAUSE THEY STARTED SPEAKING AND ADOPTING uk AND us CULTURE AND STARTED to live and think their way.THEY LIKE FEMALES TO BE AROUND AS IT GIVES THEIR BOSSES PLEASURE and also work done. Male's in Office are hard working but generally are dumb because they have a fear of revolt form his fellow collegues because she being female.
on the contrary females are bold enough to play tricks as they know that males can easily be fooled by the natures law of attraction.
It has become a custom now to hire females for Front Ofice,Secretary,HR,Admin,House keeping,retails stores as they directly come in contact of male who do all the dirty and tiring job like,All Engineer(Except IT),Sales exec in Insurance,Chef,Waiter,Security,Manufacturing companies etc.
Hiring Female's is a strategy first and then need otherwise unlike other coutries we also would have actual gender equality.
Female personel are hired for pleasure and to handle males using laws of attractions.
From India, Mumbai
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