As Hussain Zulfikar has opined, many workers waste time in smoke breaks, etc. However, organnizations should not discriminate or legislate based on religious belief in a SECULAR state. Thus, your contention that 30 mins is reasonable for Muslims and 15 mins for Hindus (How many minutes for Sikhs, Christians, and Buddhists, etc?) is untenable.
As Zulfikar and Khadir say, work comes first and as long as work is not hampered, some arrangement can be made to cater for employee needs. Prayer is also supposed to calm the mind and may lead to personal satisfaction.
Have a nice day
Simhan
From United Kingdom
1624As Zulfikar and Khadir say, work comes first and as long as work is not hampered, some arrangement can be made to cater for employee needs. Prayer is also supposed to calm the mind and may lead to personal satisfaction.
Have a nice day
Simhan
From United Kingdom
Dear All
I am really shocked, after coming to know about the mentality/pessimistic nature/perception/interpretation level of various members who has posted their views.
I am employed in QATAR since SEPTEMBER 2010. When i compare myself with INDIA, i found myself as if living in the best part of the world because Its a PEACEFUL and CRIME FREE COUNTRY where various religions/nationalities are working together for COMMON GOAL. I love MENTALITY of locals and all those EXPATRIATES working here because NO ONE LOVES TO INTERFERE IN OTHERS MATTERS - PERSONAL/PROFESSIONAL/RELIGIOUS, but still everyone wish to retain A DECENT RELATIONSHIP-whatsoever it may be.
Whether an organisation permits one to PRAY or not, i am sure, the one who wants to offer prayers IN-TIME will offer PRAYERS on PRIORITY BASIS while giving TOP PRIORITY for ROLES/RESPONSIBILITIES/JOB because, such kind of employees doesn't like to earn FOR DOING NOTHING(known as HARAAM) nor they believe in CHEATING SELF OR OTHERS, just to earn their BREAD & BUTTER, ILLEGALLY.
- THINK OUT OF THE BOX, THINK BIG, UNDERSTAND THE GROUND REALITY
- study your EMPLOYEE MENTALITY,
- LEARN-HOW WE CAN MAKE OUR EMPLOYEES, TO DELIVER THEIR BEST IN FAVOUR OF THEIR ORGANISATION,
- Differentiate between Employees of Type/nature - SELFISH/PESSIMISTIC/NON-PRODUCTIVE/UNMATURED and NON-SELFISH EMPLOYEE/OPTIMISTIC/PRODUCTIVE/MATURED,
- Educate your employees on PROCRASTINATION and EFFECTIVE UTILIZATION OF THEIR TIME, PRODUCTIVELY
- Develop/Promote OPEN WORK CULTURE, Implement BEST PROFESSIONAL ETHICS/PRACTICES
- DON'T BLAME ORGANISATION OR RELIGION OR ALMIGHTY FOR ANY UNFORTUNATE EVENT BUT, UNDERSTAND TO WHAT EXTENT WE HUMAN BEINGS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
- DON'T RUN BUSINESS IN THE NAME OF RELIGION but DO FEEL PROUD TO TAKE UNSELFISH SUPPORT OF RELIGION TO HELP YOUR BUSINESS GROW, BY THANKING ALMIGHTY.
With profound regards
From India, Chennai
I am really shocked, after coming to know about the mentality/pessimistic nature/perception/interpretation level of various members who has posted their views.
I am employed in QATAR since SEPTEMBER 2010. When i compare myself with INDIA, i found myself as if living in the best part of the world because Its a PEACEFUL and CRIME FREE COUNTRY where various religions/nationalities are working together for COMMON GOAL. I love MENTALITY of locals and all those EXPATRIATES working here because NO ONE LOVES TO INTERFERE IN OTHERS MATTERS - PERSONAL/PROFESSIONAL/RELIGIOUS, but still everyone wish to retain A DECENT RELATIONSHIP-whatsoever it may be.
Whether an organisation permits one to PRAY or not, i am sure, the one who wants to offer prayers IN-TIME will offer PRAYERS on PRIORITY BASIS while giving TOP PRIORITY for ROLES/RESPONSIBILITIES/JOB because, such kind of employees doesn't like to earn FOR DOING NOTHING(known as HARAAM) nor they believe in CHEATING SELF OR OTHERS, just to earn their BREAD & BUTTER, ILLEGALLY.
- THINK OUT OF THE BOX, THINK BIG, UNDERSTAND THE GROUND REALITY
- study your EMPLOYEE MENTALITY,
- LEARN-HOW WE CAN MAKE OUR EMPLOYEES, TO DELIVER THEIR BEST IN FAVOUR OF THEIR ORGANISATION,
- Differentiate between Employees of Type/nature - SELFISH/PESSIMISTIC/NON-PRODUCTIVE/UNMATURED and NON-SELFISH EMPLOYEE/OPTIMISTIC/PRODUCTIVE/MATURED,
- Educate your employees on PROCRASTINATION and EFFECTIVE UTILIZATION OF THEIR TIME, PRODUCTIVELY
- Develop/Promote OPEN WORK CULTURE, Implement BEST PROFESSIONAL ETHICS/PRACTICES
- DON'T BLAME ORGANISATION OR RELIGION OR ALMIGHTY FOR ANY UNFORTUNATE EVENT BUT, UNDERSTAND TO WHAT EXTENT WE HUMAN BEINGS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
- DON'T RUN BUSINESS IN THE NAME OF RELIGION but DO FEEL PROUD TO TAKE UNSELFISH SUPPORT OF RELIGION TO HELP YOUR BUSINESS GROW, BY THANKING ALMIGHTY.
With profound regards
From India, Chennai
Dear All,
Without taking part of any side, Let me brief of Namaz in Office hour. In 9:00 to 6:00 schedule, Namaz will fall twice time;
1. Afternoon Lunch time (Zohar's Namaz time, 12:30PM to 2:30PM usually) They can adjust Lunch time and Namaz within the Official given time (Namaz will no longer take time much more than 20 Minutes)
2. Evening Snacks break(Ashr's Namaz time, 4:00PM to 5:30PM usually) Namaz will take hardly 10 to 12 Minutes,also adjustable with Official given refreshing time)
As per Mr. Quadir, and Mr. Zulfikar, If someone killing their time or to escape from their responsibilities, behind this reason, which is unethical and considered as CHEATING in ISLAAM.
Further,
Satisfied personnel are more productive.
Regard,
Hassan Ashraf
From India, Mumbai
Without taking part of any side, Let me brief of Namaz in Office hour. In 9:00 to 6:00 schedule, Namaz will fall twice time;
1. Afternoon Lunch time (Zohar's Namaz time, 12:30PM to 2:30PM usually) They can adjust Lunch time and Namaz within the Official given time (Namaz will no longer take time much more than 20 Minutes)
2. Evening Snacks break(Ashr's Namaz time, 4:00PM to 5:30PM usually) Namaz will take hardly 10 to 12 Minutes,also adjustable with Official given refreshing time)
As per Mr. Quadir, and Mr. Zulfikar, If someone killing their time or to escape from their responsibilities, behind this reason, which is unethical and considered as CHEATING in ISLAAM.
Further,
Satisfied personnel are more productive.
Regard,
Hassan Ashraf
From India, Mumbai
Dear Ms. Vanitha,
If you look at the timings for the prayer fall due during day time, you can handle the issue in a better manner. Out of 5, mainly 2 prayers (2nd & 3rd) falls during day time. The 1st & 5th prayers are out of office hours. So we consider 2nd, 3rd (& 4th) mainly.
2nd prayer : In India the 2nd prayer is mostly between 1 to 1.30 pm. (depending on Seasons & regional time zones). This paryer take little more time than 3rd & 4th prayer, say it takes around 20 min. In some cases, this time happened to be a lunch break. So this can be easily handled if your lunch break is around this prayer time.
3rd prayer: This is a shortest prayer. It hardly takes 10 minutes. This is mostly around 5 p.m.
4th prayer: This is generally around 6 or 6.30 pm. It takes 10-15 minutes.
If your office is closing before this prayer, then this is out of question.
It seems some people takes longer than the required time, this is due to following reasons in some cases.
One important point in offering prayer is that the person should be free of natural calls and must be in a state of ablution (cleanliness) which takes him/her towards rest rooms which also involved some extra time. Due to this, prayer time seems to be long (this same activity is being practiced by both muslims & non-muslims staff during office hrs which hardly matters and no one can avoid natural calls).
So here both the Management and the employees to cooperate with each other for a common understanding. MANAGEMENT should also consider that there are many kinds of breaks employees need/misuse or they just sit idle on their seats doing nothing (already mentioned by other members). But prayer is an obligation of that particular faith. So while treating 'prayers' as burning issue, it should also consider many other uncalled for "breaks". EMPLOYESS must also demonstrate sincerity and sense of responsibility & should not take more than the required time otherwise their prayers may not be valid. To be really sincere, they can compensate this time by sparing some extra productive time to the Company.
The challenge of HR is to bring together Management & Employees by solving such issues. Hope you will face the challenge successfully by balancing both the sides.
ELearner
From Oman, Muscat
If you look at the timings for the prayer fall due during day time, you can handle the issue in a better manner. Out of 5, mainly 2 prayers (2nd & 3rd) falls during day time. The 1st & 5th prayers are out of office hours. So we consider 2nd, 3rd (& 4th) mainly.
2nd prayer : In India the 2nd prayer is mostly between 1 to 1.30 pm. (depending on Seasons & regional time zones). This paryer take little more time than 3rd & 4th prayer, say it takes around 20 min. In some cases, this time happened to be a lunch break. So this can be easily handled if your lunch break is around this prayer time.
3rd prayer: This is a shortest prayer. It hardly takes 10 minutes. This is mostly around 5 p.m.
4th prayer: This is generally around 6 or 6.30 pm. It takes 10-15 minutes.
If your office is closing before this prayer, then this is out of question.
It seems some people takes longer than the required time, this is due to following reasons in some cases.
One important point in offering prayer is that the person should be free of natural calls and must be in a state of ablution (cleanliness) which takes him/her towards rest rooms which also involved some extra time. Due to this, prayer time seems to be long (this same activity is being practiced by both muslims & non-muslims staff during office hrs which hardly matters and no one can avoid natural calls).
So here both the Management and the employees to cooperate with each other for a common understanding. MANAGEMENT should also consider that there are many kinds of breaks employees need/misuse or they just sit idle on their seats doing nothing (already mentioned by other members). But prayer is an obligation of that particular faith. So while treating 'prayers' as burning issue, it should also consider many other uncalled for "breaks". EMPLOYESS must also demonstrate sincerity and sense of responsibility & should not take more than the required time otherwise their prayers may not be valid. To be really sincere, they can compensate this time by sparing some extra productive time to the Company.
The challenge of HR is to bring together Management & Employees by solving such issues. Hope you will face the challenge successfully by balancing both the sides.
ELearner
From Oman, Muscat
Dear Vanitha,
Being a HR professional we must try to find a win-win solution for this. Certainly taking long breaks wouldn't be needed. In my opinion have a clear policy on breaks after a discussion with your top management and Call for a meeting and brainstrom with the group of employees too, hence you can decide upon the future course of action without demotivating the employees.
Regards,
Mujeeb uddin.
From India, Hyderabad
Being a HR professional we must try to find a win-win solution for this. Certainly taking long breaks wouldn't be needed. In my opinion have a clear policy on breaks after a discussion with your top management and Call for a meeting and brainstrom with the group of employees too, hence you can decide upon the future course of action without demotivating the employees.
Regards,
Mujeeb uddin.
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Mr.Pandav,
Your comment upon this is not supported by any law,rules or regulation.An industry is a corporate structured which runs by rules and regulation.If you are right then why any govt not provided such facility? An employee is entered in to a agreement of mutual acceptance while joining with any employer.Such agreement does not allow to spend the working hours in any religious activity.More to this subjecte employees are offering their lunch timings for this.This will affect he heath of the employee and as a result to the out put from these also.Hence my sugession is that do not allow such activity in the premise of the company and in the working hours.
Mangesh Wakodkar
Sr.Executive
From India, Pune
Your comment upon this is not supported by any law,rules or regulation.An industry is a corporate structured which runs by rules and regulation.If you are right then why any govt not provided such facility? An employee is entered in to a agreement of mutual acceptance while joining with any employer.Such agreement does not allow to spend the working hours in any religious activity.More to this subjecte employees are offering their lunch timings for this.This will affect he heath of the employee and as a result to the out put from these also.Hence my sugession is that do not allow such activity in the premise of the company and in the working hours.
Mangesh Wakodkar
Sr.Executive
From India, Pune
Dear Ms. Vanitha,
Being the religious duty to perform his prayers on time is cumpolsory as a true muslim, which can be performed at his work place also. But a true Muslim cannot misuse his/her work time to extend the prayer time for half an hour. Indeed the company can have rules in place and the prayer time to be excluded from the total work hours. So the employee having to work for 8 hours a days with one hour lunch break (The lunch break can be divided to 45 minutes for lunch including noon (Dhuhr) prayers, 15 mins for Afternoon (Asr) prayers). If he/she is working in other shifts then you can plan it accordingly. Or the employee should work for the extra minutes consumed for prayers apart from his normal breaks. The employee performs his duty for the fixed working hours as stipulated and agreed in the contract for the said salary. Logically, he has to complete 48 hours of work to make his salary halaal, failing which the salary drawn for the period he/she has not worked becomes haraam on him/her.
As we are working in Saudi Arabia, we have rules that clearly states 8 hours duty excluding breaks and prayer time. So we take 45 minutes for lunch including noon prayers and 15 minutes for afternoon prayers( so 1 hour lunch break is adjusted.
I hope you can introduce this way and am sure it should not hurt ones religious feelings as far as it explains what is halaal nd what is haram.
Being the religious duty to perform his prayers on time is cumpolsory as a true muslim, which can be performed at his work place also. But a true Muslim cannot misuse his/her work time to extend the prayer time for half an hour. Indeed the company can have rules in place and the prayer time to be excluded from the total work hours. So the employee having to work for 8 hours a days with one hour lunch break (The lunch break can be divided to 45 minutes for lunch including noon (Dhuhr) prayers, 15 mins for Afternoon (Asr) prayers). If he/she is working in other shifts then you can plan it accordingly. Or the employee should work for the extra minutes consumed for prayers apart from his normal breaks. The employee performs his duty for the fixed working hours as stipulated and agreed in the contract for the said salary. Logically, he has to complete 48 hours of work to make his salary halaal, failing which the salary drawn for the period he/she has not worked becomes haraam on him/her.
As we are working in Saudi Arabia, we have rules that clearly states 8 hours duty excluding breaks and prayer time. So we take 45 minutes for lunch including noon prayers and 15 minutes for afternoon prayers( so 1 hour lunch break is adjusted.
I hope you can introduce this way and am sure it should not hurt ones religious feelings as far as it explains what is halaal nd what is haram.
Dear Ms. Vanitha,
In addition to my comments, please note that if you are talking about Friday noon prayers then it should be different and here usually we have holiday on Fridays and employees on duty go for Friday prayers including their lunch break with a little extended time for their cafeteria meals.
In addition to my comments, please note that if you are talking about Friday noon prayers then it should be different and here usually we have holiday on Fridays and employees on duty go for Friday prayers including their lunch break with a little extended time for their cafeteria meals.
Dear Vanitha,
As already opined by almost everyone, it is a religious obligation and it is unwise to stop employees from fulfilling it. However, i do assure you that the matter can be sorted out through a healthy discussion with them. The prayers have to be offered within a stretch of time. this makes it flexible. the employees can be asked for their consent to offer namaz within a specified duration of the day. Also, if they are provided ample space and time for this, they will be more at ease and will be willing to cooperate.
Employees taking breaks for namaz and idling away their time should be criticized. you can probably ask them to be accurate with their timings and also with the work targets alloted to them. As khadir already pointed out, misappropriating time is itself prohibited in Islam.
I am sure you will be able to sort out the matter soon.
Regards,
Arham Husain
From India, Delhi
As already opined by almost everyone, it is a religious obligation and it is unwise to stop employees from fulfilling it. However, i do assure you that the matter can be sorted out through a healthy discussion with them. The prayers have to be offered within a stretch of time. this makes it flexible. the employees can be asked for their consent to offer namaz within a specified duration of the day. Also, if they are provided ample space and time for this, they will be more at ease and will be willing to cooperate.
Employees taking breaks for namaz and idling away their time should be criticized. you can probably ask them to be accurate with their timings and also with the work targets alloted to them. As khadir already pointed out, misappropriating time is itself prohibited in Islam.
I am sure you will be able to sort out the matter soon.
Regards,
Arham Husain
From India, Delhi
Dear Vanita,
First of all, offering Namaz is a religious duty. Muslim has to do it for 5 times a day. It is allowed during the office hours in Islamic country. India is a secular country, therefore the Namaz Timings are fixed as it should not disturb the official Timings.(Except Friday Prayer). Mostly offices in India starts at 9:30 or 10 AM to 5 PM and lunch break from 1 to 2 PM. The Noon Prayer(Dhuhar) is organized in between 1 to 2 in all Mosques. After that Post Noon Prayer (Asar) is organized between 5 to 5 :30 PM. So the true Muslim can do his duty and as well perform Namaz without disturbing his official duty hours.
If you sold something, you have no right to use it again. Convey this message to your employees that as they have sold this time for the company, they have to use it for company. Like they want to do Namaz as their duty, they have to do their job also like their duty. This what Islam says.
Regarding Friday Prayer, there must be some extra time, but if he is a real Muslim he has to work some extra hours for the Friday. If any one is offering Prayers during office hours, that is not fair enough with the company. Their time is for company use, not for personal use.
From Saudi Arabia
First of all, offering Namaz is a religious duty. Muslim has to do it for 5 times a day. It is allowed during the office hours in Islamic country. India is a secular country, therefore the Namaz Timings are fixed as it should not disturb the official Timings.(Except Friday Prayer). Mostly offices in India starts at 9:30 or 10 AM to 5 PM and lunch break from 1 to 2 PM. The Noon Prayer(Dhuhar) is organized in between 1 to 2 in all Mosques. After that Post Noon Prayer (Asar) is organized between 5 to 5 :30 PM. So the true Muslim can do his duty and as well perform Namaz without disturbing his official duty hours.
If you sold something, you have no right to use it again. Convey this message to your employees that as they have sold this time for the company, they have to use it for company. Like they want to do Namaz as their duty, they have to do their job also like their duty. This what Islam says.
Regarding Friday Prayer, there must be some extra time, but if he is a real Muslim he has to work some extra hours for the Friday. If any one is offering Prayers during office hours, that is not fair enough with the company. Their time is for company use, not for personal use.
From Saudi Arabia
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