Oh my god such a big big posts i dont want to raise an issue but i know of muslim doctor who would treat patient rather than making patient wait during namaz timings similarly there are lots of muslims working as doctors firefighters police and other emergency jobs wherein they put forward duty before religion.
God will surely help them all the best
From India, Madras
113God will surely help them all the best
From India, Madras
Yes, in case of medical or any other emergencies, Muslim not only can but 'should' delay the Salaah (Namaz) and attend the emergency. Please don't mix up things, these are two different situations.
From India, Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
Dear PeacePromoter,
Glad to know that in emergency Namaz can and should be delyed. I was sure that all religious pratices are flexible and agree with the following
"What is duty under these prevailing conditions may not be duty under different conditions. Desha, kala, paristhiti (place, time and condition) decide the nature of what we are expected to do, so that we cannot have a textbook of the nature of duty anywhere in the world. We have to use our common sense, our feeling, and our understanding. Understanding is the word that will be underlined when we move forward through the chapters of the Bhagavad Gita. The word buddhi, reason, is emphasised always." The Doctrine of the Bhagavad Gita - To Thine Own Self Be True - Chapter 7
From United Kingdom
Glad to know that in emergency Namaz can and should be delyed. I was sure that all religious pratices are flexible and agree with the following
"What is duty under these prevailing conditions may not be duty under different conditions. Desha, kala, paristhiti (place, time and condition) decide the nature of what we are expected to do, so that we cannot have a textbook of the nature of duty anywhere in the world. We have to use our common sense, our feeling, and our understanding. Understanding is the word that will be underlined when we move forward through the chapters of the Bhagavad Gita. The word buddhi, reason, is emphasised always." The Doctrine of the Bhagavad Gita - To Thine Own Self Be True - Chapter 7
From United Kingdom
I agree with this line (in context of Islam), but don't agree with the other that we can't have a textbook. We actually have a text book and that text book is called Quran and we also have a teacher or implementer of that text book, whom we call as Prophet. For all the things which are not explicitly mentioned in the above two sources, we have certain general principles derived from the sources and codified into a brand of Islamic sciences, called 'Fiqh' (Islamic jurisprudence). Contrary to the popular perception, Fiqh is dynamic in nature and does incorporate changes.
In case of emergencies, we can eat Pork and drink alcohol and this is even mentioned explicitly in Quran.
I am mentioning this not as a laymen or my 'own' understanding of Islam but as a formal student of Bachelor of Islamic Studies.
From India, Mumbai
In case of emergencies, we can eat Pork and drink alcohol and this is even mentioned explicitly in Quran.
I am mentioning this not as a laymen or my 'own' understanding of Islam but as a formal student of Bachelor of Islamic Studies.
From India, Mumbai
One should not take everything literally. When it says "We can't have a texbook..." it does not mean we can't have Quran or a teacher. But we should use our judgment given the circumstances. Are not different Teachers interpreting the Text in different ways, giving rise to different sects imposing their own will on others.
I am really heartened to note that in certain circumstances you are even allowed to eat pork and drink alcohol, as I have muslim friends who drink alcohol.
From United Kingdom
I am really heartened to note that in certain circumstances you are even allowed to eat pork and drink alcohol, as I have muslim friends who drink alcohol.
From United Kingdom
I totally agree with you and that's what I am implying that Islamic law is not devoid of righteous judgement to suit different situations (without comprising certain basic tenets).
Yes, i don't deny that people withing the Muslim community try to interpret text to suit their whims and desires and sometimes it leads to disastrous consequences. But in the previous post, I also said that interpretation can only be given by Prophet and that is the only acceptable interpretation which a 'righteous' Muslim has to follow.
When I said certain circumstances, it simply pertains to situation which one's life is in danger and alcohol is the only available resource which can ward off that danger. This danger could be due to extreme hunger or a fatal disease for which alcohol is the only cure.
Your Muslims friends who drink alcohol are blatant sinners. They are not at all representing Islam. They have fallen prey to their own selfish desires because imbibing alcohol is one of the major sins in Islam. It is also called 'Ummul Khabaais' or the mother of all sins.
From India, Mumbai
Yes, i don't deny that people withing the Muslim community try to interpret text to suit their whims and desires and sometimes it leads to disastrous consequences. But in the previous post, I also said that interpretation can only be given by Prophet and that is the only acceptable interpretation which a 'righteous' Muslim has to follow.
When I said certain circumstances, it simply pertains to situation which one's life is in danger and alcohol is the only available resource which can ward off that danger. This danger could be due to extreme hunger or a fatal disease for which alcohol is the only cure.
Your Muslims friends who drink alcohol are blatant sinners. They are not at all representing Islam. They have fallen prey to their own selfish desires because imbibing alcohol is one of the major sins in Islam. It is also called 'Ummul Khabaais' or the mother of all sins.
From India, Mumbai
Now my dear friend please try to understand just as a patient is important to a doctor , saving lives is important to a firefighter a CEO or BOSS is important to a Office Going person as he is the one who is to answer if work is not done in time.
So your mentioning in first post " even if he is busy with CEO in meeting" is totally baseless, when you agree to doctors emergencies then you should also accept that for your company during important meetings, or interviews or discussions which happen during the day and if they fall during namaz time or friday they are important than prayer and require your time.
Until you realize this and change your mindset it wont do you any good. Because in all these things only you need to suffer. I lived all my childhood in mughal dominated city wont divulge the name and have had close muslim friends, and it totally depends on their brought up, one friend doesnt live to eat non veg, another muslims used to make fun of him, another one was just like you, he used to go to a room upstairs 5 times a day for namaz, and the beauty of this is his supervisor who was a muslim himself had fired this guy because everytime he used to meet this supervisor, he used to greet in urdu salam wallekum, so in a day time you meet your supervisors numerous time in a day and every time he used to greet in urdu and while leaving also he used to greet, that supervisor who inspite of being muslim clearly explained to subordinate that religion and work is different once you wished me good morning in urdu in morning thats enough here we come to work.
Because of this one person leaving work place during office time 4-5 times in a day other staff i.e hindu + muslim staff together, felt that why he is doing like that as to them or to office as per rule you are only allowed lunch break for half hr and this person used to take 15 mins off for 4-5 times a day whereas other muslims of his age i.e 22-25 yrs old did not go with him for namaz, He also did not join us in lunch time wherein we used to have lunch all together and only he used to go upstairs and do namaz and eat alone. From your post i can only remember that persons name in my thoughts.
Also coming to other points, let me tell you even hinduism prohibits all these things but i wholely agree that many times i have done all of the below mentioned points at some or other point in work / life. Many many many times no record of that, but what to do you just dont have a choice, also i dont regret doing these things because all done on behalf of others i.e pressure given by others. These things happen in life and i dont care about them as long as the bad things are not originated in my mind and are done due to pressure given by others. Why we do these to earn money and keep our job stable, so if we have own business then we need not do these things at all......
5. A Muslim can never lie or cheat with anyone (i.e., A Muslim can't lie or cheat with other employees on the behalf of his boss.)
6. A Muslim can't forge HR annual statements or do any manipulation in HR audit - on behalf of his boss
7. A Muslim can't do any favoritism or nepotism on behalf of his boss
8. A Muslim must ensure equity and justice at all times and with all people
9. A Muslim can't pay or accept bribes
So friend, it is your life but truth is you cannot just do these things in office tomorrow if it is objected you may feel hurt, best thing you can do is instead of being employed you can be employer start your own business be your boss work at your own timings follow your own policies, because it is not a question of HR job or Accounts or Engineering job, even a hotel receiptionist needs to tell lies or forge data or tell rooms are full when they really arent, so best option is if these things hurt your conscience too much, you start own business and be your boss.
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So friend, it is your life but truth is you cannot just do these things in office tomorrow if it is objected you may feel hurt, best thing you can do is instead of being employed you can be employer start your own business be your boss work at your own timings.
From India, Madras
So your mentioning in first post " even if he is busy with CEO in meeting" is totally baseless, when you agree to doctors emergencies then you should also accept that for your company during important meetings, or interviews or discussions which happen during the day and if they fall during namaz time or friday they are important than prayer and require your time.
Until you realize this and change your mindset it wont do you any good. Because in all these things only you need to suffer. I lived all my childhood in mughal dominated city wont divulge the name and have had close muslim friends, and it totally depends on their brought up, one friend doesnt live to eat non veg, another muslims used to make fun of him, another one was just like you, he used to go to a room upstairs 5 times a day for namaz, and the beauty of this is his supervisor who was a muslim himself had fired this guy because everytime he used to meet this supervisor, he used to greet in urdu salam wallekum, so in a day time you meet your supervisors numerous time in a day and every time he used to greet in urdu and while leaving also he used to greet, that supervisor who inspite of being muslim clearly explained to subordinate that religion and work is different once you wished me good morning in urdu in morning thats enough here we come to work.
Because of this one person leaving work place during office time 4-5 times in a day other staff i.e hindu + muslim staff together, felt that why he is doing like that as to them or to office as per rule you are only allowed lunch break for half hr and this person used to take 15 mins off for 4-5 times a day whereas other muslims of his age i.e 22-25 yrs old did not go with him for namaz, He also did not join us in lunch time wherein we used to have lunch all together and only he used to go upstairs and do namaz and eat alone. From your post i can only remember that persons name in my thoughts.
Also coming to other points, let me tell you even hinduism prohibits all these things but i wholely agree that many times i have done all of the below mentioned points at some or other point in work / life. Many many many times no record of that, but what to do you just dont have a choice, also i dont regret doing these things because all done on behalf of others i.e pressure given by others. These things happen in life and i dont care about them as long as the bad things are not originated in my mind and are done due to pressure given by others. Why we do these to earn money and keep our job stable, so if we have own business then we need not do these things at all......
5. A Muslim can never lie or cheat with anyone (i.e., A Muslim can't lie or cheat with other employees on the behalf of his boss.)
6. A Muslim can't forge HR annual statements or do any manipulation in HR audit - on behalf of his boss
7. A Muslim can't do any favoritism or nepotism on behalf of his boss
8. A Muslim must ensure equity and justice at all times and with all people
9. A Muslim can't pay or accept bribes
So friend, it is your life but truth is you cannot just do these things in office tomorrow if it is objected you may feel hurt, best thing you can do is instead of being employed you can be employer start your own business be your boss work at your own timings follow your own policies, because it is not a question of HR job or Accounts or Engineering job, even a hotel receiptionist needs to tell lies or forge data or tell rooms are full when they really arent, so best option is if these things hurt your conscience too much, you start own business and be your boss.
__________________
So friend, it is your life but truth is you cannot just do these things in office tomorrow if it is objected you may feel hurt, best thing you can do is instead of being employed you can be employer start your own business be your boss work at your own timings.
From India, Madras
Indian organizations are secular and do not and should not make any concessions for any practitioner of any religion.
Religious practice is a personal matter - no one should interfere in your religious practice and you should not expect any additional concessions.
From India, Delhi
Religious practice is a personal matter - no one should interfere in your religious practice and you should not expect any additional concessions.
From India, Delhi
Dear all
first of all the question is "Can a 'practicing' Muslim work as a HR professional in an Indian corporation ? "
In this regards Mr.naziyasm is right
work has no religion , ( Muslim or hindu or others) it has only loyal employees and in above discussions those who explained about quran points or any other religious words
please dont raise such points in open forums because work is worship for every human beings( irrespective of religion ) muslims will follow their religion and praying namaz five times is farz but allha said to said see (dian and dunya )
i hope u people understand
those have any point against my thread
please clean the dust because dust is ego and with out cleaning u cant see the people with open heart
regards
alam
From India, Hyderabad
first of all the question is "Can a 'practicing' Muslim work as a HR professional in an Indian corporation ? "
In this regards Mr.naziyasm is right
work has no religion , ( Muslim or hindu or others) it has only loyal employees and in above discussions those who explained about quran points or any other religious words
please dont raise such points in open forums because work is worship for every human beings( irrespective of religion ) muslims will follow their religion and praying namaz five times is farz but allha said to said see (dian and dunya )
i hope u people understand
those have any point against my thread
please clean the dust because dust is ego and with out cleaning u cant see the people with open heart
regards
alam
From India, Hyderabad
Hi
I feel above all things said and done.... at the end of the day when we look into the mirror we need to be able to look into our own eyes and say that you have lived the day worthly and thank God/Allah/Ishwar that he blessed us with a day to live, experience, cherish the beauty of nature, relations, emotions etc. Live in the present instead of future. Kal kisne dekha hai !!!
From India, Pune
I feel above all things said and done.... at the end of the day when we look into the mirror we need to be able to look into our own eyes and say that you have lived the day worthly and thank God/Allah/Ishwar that he blessed us with a day to live, experience, cherish the beauty of nature, relations, emotions etc. Live in the present instead of future. Kal kisne dekha hai !!!
From India, Pune
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