When i reached this string i thought i would want to share some reading material that i got recently.. but i see most of you are going into personal tangents which shows high levels of immaturity..
friends - this expression of "I am the king of the castle and you are the doggy rascal" by HR people surely isn't expected or warranted...
Pls stop this personal assaults and focus on the greater good!
From India, Bangalore
friends - this expression of "I am the king of the castle and you are the doggy rascal" by HR people surely isn't expected or warranted...
Pls stop this personal assaults and focus on the greater good!
From India, Bangalore
Hikim Shaab,
You seems to be frustrated and annoyed with a certain type of culture in your organization. Your experience is unique and you should not mingle the case in general. May b your organization does not believe in target oriented individual performance oriented business culture. May b there is lack in business code and conduct. Resulting in office duty timing is completely depending upon certain employees’ whims and fancy. Is
What is the job given to the individual and who is monitoring him/her activities is the basic argument. This is not a question of local or migrated employees but an overall organization culture.
Please, being a HR professional do not comments on issue based on your personal disliking or liking. All organizations are not like that. Today when progressive organizations are firmly believe on cross culture employees with a good mix of cosmopolitan.
You are free to highlight anything against any employee if it is not supported by company's policy and system. But do not see problem in a microscopic way.
After taking everything in rightspirit m talking. Hope you are clear now.
Best regards,
Pradipta
From India
3You seems to be frustrated and annoyed with a certain type of culture in your organization. Your experience is unique and you should not mingle the case in general. May b your organization does not believe in target oriented individual performance oriented business culture. May b there is lack in business code and conduct. Resulting in office duty timing is completely depending upon certain employees’ whims and fancy. Is
What is the job given to the individual and who is monitoring him/her activities is the basic argument. This is not a question of local or migrated employees but an overall organization culture.
Please, being a HR professional do not comments on issue based on your personal disliking or liking. All organizations are not like that. Today when progressive organizations are firmly believe on cross culture employees with a good mix of cosmopolitan.
You are free to highlight anything against any employee if it is not supported by company's policy and system. But do not see problem in a microscopic way.
After taking everything in rightspirit m talking. Hope you are clear now.
Best regards,
Pradipta
From India
Friend pradiptadatta
I am clear and focussed from the start .Friends like you are misleading and diverting me from my main topic. I am not frustrated and annoyed. You seems to be a fresh HR pass out as your words show loyalty and dedication usually found in fresh graduates.Once you get a good experience then you would understand what happens in practicality.
As others you are taking things to heart and getting emotional friend. Let be practical and accept the facts rather then taking word of wisdom from books.Learn to stand out and invent new ways for a better management.
Nothing is personal here friend. I just mentioned what was the outcome of a little experiment I tried.
Passing a judgement without understanding things is a sign of kiddishness. one should think and have a global perspective about things.Are u aware which company I work for etc.
Progressive organizations or in the matter of fact any organizations if you see in practical are concerned about results and how to achieve results is the task of Managers. I have handled a team of around 300 people. HR is just part of it friend.
Please cool down friend and stop personal comments.
From India, Mumbai
I am clear and focussed from the start .Friends like you are misleading and diverting me from my main topic. I am not frustrated and annoyed. You seems to be a fresh HR pass out as your words show loyalty and dedication usually found in fresh graduates.Once you get a good experience then you would understand what happens in practicality.
As others you are taking things to heart and getting emotional friend. Let be practical and accept the facts rather then taking word of wisdom from books.Learn to stand out and invent new ways for a better management.
Nothing is personal here friend. I just mentioned what was the outcome of a little experiment I tried.
Passing a judgement without understanding things is a sign of kiddishness. one should think and have a global perspective about things.Are u aware which company I work for etc.
Progressive organizations or in the matter of fact any organizations if you see in practical are concerned about results and how to achieve results is the task of Managers. I have handled a team of around 300 people. HR is just part of it friend.
Please cool down friend and stop personal comments.
From India, Mumbai
Thanks cacofonixx for understanding
That is what I am repeating to everyone. People are getting emotional and personal.
Which they should not do. This is the problem people want to follow try and tested method and does not want to take risk of doining something new. Everyone wants to play safe.
PLEASE FRIENDS STOP getting emotional and personal.
From India, Mumbai
That is what I am repeating to everyone. People are getting emotional and personal.
Which they should not do. This is the problem people want to follow try and tested method and does not want to take risk of doining something new. Everyone wants to play safe.
PLEASE FRIENDS STOP getting emotional and personal.
From India, Mumbai
PLEASE FRIENDS STOP getting emotional and personal. ALL ARE REQUESTED NOT TO BE PERSONAL AND REPLY LIKE A PROFESSIONAL. THIS WILL SAVE YOURS AND MINE TIME AND ENERGY........
From India, Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
Hi Shoeb,
You are right to some extent. But it can be vice - versa. I am a migrated person and i used to wrap up my work on time and leave the office on time because i have to do all the household work by myself e.g. cooking, washing e.t.c. whereas my colleuges who are locals, they used to sit late as they dont have any such problem in their home. They used to play games and do chatting, as they have someone in their home who will cook for them, wash their clothes and other household works. And believe me they are the favourites of not only my boss but also to the management.
what you will say to this.
Surya
From India, Pune
You are right to some extent. But it can be vice - versa. I am a migrated person and i used to wrap up my work on time and leave the office on time because i have to do all the household work by myself e.g. cooking, washing e.t.c. whereas my colleuges who are locals, they used to sit late as they dont have any such problem in their home. They used to play games and do chatting, as they have someone in their home who will cook for them, wash their clothes and other household works. And believe me they are the favourites of not only my boss but also to the management.
what you will say to this.
Surya
From India, Pune
Dear Hakim,
Am afraid you yourself are contributing to this personal assault series...
Look at what you said to Pradipta "I am clear and focussed from the start .Friends like you are misleading and diverting me from my main topic. I am not frustrated and annoyed. You seems to be a fresh HR pass out as your words show loyalty and dedication usually found in fresh graduates.Once you get a good experience then you would understand what happens in practicality. "
I seriously don't think you should be commenting on your perceptions of a person without knowing him/her. You have not shown any maturity so far in this thread and I can see a deep rooted cynicism in you.
Am stopping to watch this thread because now i am convinced that there is no future to his thread!
al the best.. and cool down folks. Life is too short, not worth suffering hatred and anguish!
TC
Caco
From India, Bangalore
Am afraid you yourself are contributing to this personal assault series...
Look at what you said to Pradipta "I am clear and focussed from the start .Friends like you are misleading and diverting me from my main topic. I am not frustrated and annoyed. You seems to be a fresh HR pass out as your words show loyalty and dedication usually found in fresh graduates.Once you get a good experience then you would understand what happens in practicality. "
I seriously don't think you should be commenting on your perceptions of a person without knowing him/her. You have not shown any maturity so far in this thread and I can see a deep rooted cynicism in you.
Am stopping to watch this thread because now i am convinced that there is no future to his thread!
al the best.. and cool down folks. Life is too short, not worth suffering hatred and anguish!
TC
Caco
From India, Bangalore
Good one and profound too!!
Question to God:"What surprises you most about mankind?"
And God answered:
"That they lose their health to make money and then lose their money to restore their health. That by thinking anxiously about the future, they forget the present, such that they live neither for the present nor the future. That they live as if they will never die, and they die as if they had never lived..."
From India, Mumbai
Question to God:"What surprises you most about mankind?"
And God answered:
"That they lose their health to make money and then lose their money to restore their health. That by thinking anxiously about the future, they forget the present, such that they live neither for the present nor the future. That they live as if they will never die, and they die as if they had never lived..."
From India, Mumbai
Hi,
It is quite unfortunate to read your post. How can you generalize like this?
HR Management is a profession backed with 100s of years research, knowledge, efforts of 10000s of people around the world and is the most sensitive and dynamic management stream...
People switch from job 2 jobs not because of better salary/company/manager but because of their 'attitude'. Industry has taken years to understand this and that is why many companies started psychometric tests and behavioral interviews as part of the selection process.
When go for a new recruit, perfectly managed companies will consider job fitness (may give some weightage to location for some jobs but otherwise competencies)
I know some job hoppers, who used to change 3 companies a year (can we say this is because of his/her managers or better salary or company...no man its attitude)
Most of your statements are illogical. You might be able to find people for factory work/semi skilled people from the local area but when you search for highly skilled, high tech professionals, if you priorities locals then you need to change your corporate objectives (if you are an HR guy, you can expect relieving order soon).
Let's take companies in Middle East. 75% of people working in UAE, Saudi, Kuwait, Oman etc.are from India, Pak, Srilanka, Bangladesh, China, Philippines and they are not facing the turnover issue. EEO (Equal employement opportunity) is an internationally accepted HR philosophy and companies are trying to implement this and at the same time trying to manage diversity in organizations. Taking only locals in team is a rigid idea and this will not add any value to the organization.
Manager should monitor the activities of the team mates...( i am not suggesting policing but he/should be aware of team performance, work status). So it is obvious that team members should get approval for leaves, attendance regularization etc.
Who told you that there is no social life for non-locals? Visit hotels/malls/cine halls in Mumbai, Chennai, Delhi or Bangalore and observe? I think this is your personal idea and not based on any observation or analysis. No company will give long leaves to employees without genuine reasons. Neither locals nor non-locals can go on long leave with out prior approval
Please read good materials on human resources management, managing diversity in organization, Organizational Behavior, Team Building etc...You can find good posts in citehr itself.
The entire business scenario is changing on a fast pace and today geographical boundary is not at all a hurdle for enterprising people...that is why we are getting more FDI, more outsourced projects, more employement opportunities and more FOREX.
Ultimately India is famous for its own unity in diversity
From India, Bangalore
It is quite unfortunate to read your post. How can you generalize like this?
HR Management is a profession backed with 100s of years research, knowledge, efforts of 10000s of people around the world and is the most sensitive and dynamic management stream...
People switch from job 2 jobs not because of better salary/company/manager but because of their 'attitude'. Industry has taken years to understand this and that is why many companies started psychometric tests and behavioral interviews as part of the selection process.
When go for a new recruit, perfectly managed companies will consider job fitness (may give some weightage to location for some jobs but otherwise competencies)
I know some job hoppers, who used to change 3 companies a year (can we say this is because of his/her managers or better salary or company...no man its attitude)
Most of your statements are illogical. You might be able to find people for factory work/semi skilled people from the local area but when you search for highly skilled, high tech professionals, if you priorities locals then you need to change your corporate objectives (if you are an HR guy, you can expect relieving order soon).
Let's take companies in Middle East. 75% of people working in UAE, Saudi, Kuwait, Oman etc.are from India, Pak, Srilanka, Bangladesh, China, Philippines and they are not facing the turnover issue. EEO (Equal employement opportunity) is an internationally accepted HR philosophy and companies are trying to implement this and at the same time trying to manage diversity in organizations. Taking only locals in team is a rigid idea and this will not add any value to the organization.
Manager should monitor the activities of the team mates...( i am not suggesting policing but he/should be aware of team performance, work status). So it is obvious that team members should get approval for leaves, attendance regularization etc.
Who told you that there is no social life for non-locals? Visit hotels/malls/cine halls in Mumbai, Chennai, Delhi or Bangalore and observe? I think this is your personal idea and not based on any observation or analysis. No company will give long leaves to employees without genuine reasons. Neither locals nor non-locals can go on long leave with out prior approval
Please read good materials on human resources management, managing diversity in organization, Organizational Behavior, Team Building etc...You can find good posts in citehr itself.
The entire business scenario is changing on a fast pace and today geographical boundary is not at all a hurdle for enterprising people...that is why we are getting more FDI, more outsourced projects, more employement opportunities and more FOREX.
Ultimately India is famous for its own unity in diversity
From India, Bangalore
WITH THIS STORY AS A CONCLUSION I AM ENDING THIS THREAD HERE
NO MORE REPLIES WILL BE GIVEN BY ME AS PEOPLE ARE GETTING PERSONAL & EMOTIONAL AND DIVERTING ME FROM THE TOPIC
Our Expectations
A turtle family went on a picnic. The turtles, being naturally slow
about things, took seven years to prepare for their outings. Finally
the Turtle family left home looking for a suitable place. During the
second year of their journey they found it. For about six months they
cleaned up the area, unpacked the picnic basket, and completed the
arrangements.
Then they discovered they had forgotten the salt. A picnic without
salt would be a disaster, they all agreed. After a lengthy discussion,
the youngest turtle was chosen to retrieve the salt from home.
Although he was the fastest of the slow moving turtles, the little
turtle whined, cried, and wobbled in his shell.
He agreed to go on one condition: that no one would eat until he
returned. The family consented and the little turtle left. Three years
passed and the little turtle had not returned. Five years â Six
years... Then in the seventh year of his absence, the oldest turtle
could no longer contain his hunger. He announced that he was going to
eat and began to unwrap a sandwich. At that point the little turtle
suddenly popped out from behind a tree shouting, "SEE I knew you
wouldn't wait. Now I am not going to go get the salt."
Lesson Learned:
Some of us waste our time waiting for people to live up to our
expectations. We are so concerned about what others are doing that we
don't do anything ourselves.
From India, Mumbai
NO MORE REPLIES WILL BE GIVEN BY ME AS PEOPLE ARE GETTING PERSONAL & EMOTIONAL AND DIVERTING ME FROM THE TOPIC
Our Expectations
A turtle family went on a picnic. The turtles, being naturally slow
about things, took seven years to prepare for their outings. Finally
the Turtle family left home looking for a suitable place. During the
second year of their journey they found it. For about six months they
cleaned up the area, unpacked the picnic basket, and completed the
arrangements.
Then they discovered they had forgotten the salt. A picnic without
salt would be a disaster, they all agreed. After a lengthy discussion,
the youngest turtle was chosen to retrieve the salt from home.
Although he was the fastest of the slow moving turtles, the little
turtle whined, cried, and wobbled in his shell.
He agreed to go on one condition: that no one would eat until he
returned. The family consented and the little turtle left. Three years
passed and the little turtle had not returned. Five years â Six
years... Then in the seventh year of his absence, the oldest turtle
could no longer contain his hunger. He announced that he was going to
eat and began to unwrap a sandwich. At that point the little turtle
suddenly popped out from behind a tree shouting, "SEE I knew you
wouldn't wait. Now I am not going to go get the salt."
Lesson Learned:
Some of us waste our time waiting for people to live up to our
expectations. We are so concerned about what others are doing that we
don't do anything ourselves.
From India, Mumbai
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