Dear rhinoramanan
I felt that merely "Äppreciating" your post would not be adequate; and it deserves a few explicit words.
Your post is not just an opinion but distilled wisdom of years and years of hard core experience.
I found these words, particularly inspiring :
I shall welcome and look forward to more of your contributions in CiteHR.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
1426I felt that merely "Äppreciating" your post would not be adequate; and it deserves a few explicit words.
Your post is not just an opinion but distilled wisdom of years and years of hard core experience.
I found these words, particularly inspiring :
" 10 i am taking my m com exam shortly from ignou . so what in a couple of years i will be 75. "You have demonstrated that learning is a life-long process; and this will definitely inspire others and give them the impetus and courage to pursue an academic course of their choice, (which they always wanted to pursue, but felt discouraged due to their age), at any point of time.
I shall welcome and look forward to more of your contributions in CiteHR.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
Let me go offbeat.
1. Many employees come to organizations, without knowing much about it.
2. Most employees leave organizations (or bosses) because their work isn't what they expected.
A successful manager has to guide employees and before doing that, must guide himself. Just by registering for a course, you are only repeating your past follies of going clueless!!!
If you are really confused, my advise is that you take neither. For you haven't truly explored your passion and what truly inspires you!
Reg,
From United States, Daphne
1. Many employees come to organizations, without knowing much about it.
2. Most employees leave organizations (or bosses) because their work isn't what they expected.
A successful manager has to guide employees and before doing that, must guide himself. Just by registering for a course, you are only repeating your past follies of going clueless!!!
If you are really confused, my advise is that you take neither. For you haven't truly explored your passion and what truly inspires you!
Reg,
From United States, Daphne
Thank you everybody for your valuable suggestions. I really appreciate all of you for investing your valuable time and efforts in providing opinions.
I would like to apologize for delayed response. As I am working in shifts, I couldn't managed to reply on time.
@Navneetsarin, Yes, you are right that MBA from distance learning is not very good qualification, but now I don’t have the time and capacity to prepare for entrance tests & money to get admission in some good but private institute. For me right now working and earning is necessary. Also I am 31, which is actually too late to study. But I am doing MBA with a thought that “Distance MBA is better than No MBA”.
I have often seen that for various jobs company demands “MBA qualification”. If you check in online job portals even there it is often mentioned in requirements like “Any MBA – any specialization”
Now if I apply to any jobs without MBA then it may happen that my application gets filtered or rejected there itself if no MBA is stated on my resume. If I have MBA (though distance) qualification mentioned on my resume, I may get interview calls, and there atleast I get the opportunity to perform in an interview & prove myself. So keeping that in mind, I am doing distance MBA. Also, I am really interested to study management subjects and nowadays, having MBA degree has become very common and each and everybody has this as a minimum qualification. I too don’t want to lag behind.
Now coming to my confusion between finance and HR. Like Saiconsult stated, that those who want to pursue finance must have flair for numbers, figures & maths. My number crunching & mathematicals skills are mediocre. Not too bad, but can’t be as good as CAs or CFAs. But however I can manage to study Finance subjects in my MBA course. Because the course being distance learning is easier compared to full time courses in elite institutes. Also, I have checked the core finance subjects offered as a specialization by the university from which I am pursuing MBA right now, most of them I already studied in B.com & M.com. However in specialization I may study some subject in little more detail. As far as knowledge of the subject is concerned, I can gather knowledge by studying management books of various other publications and through experience. So its not like my knowledge will be limited to the course I am studying. The MBA I am doing is not that great, but I want it on my resume. It is not the only thing which will help me develop the knowledge, that is something I will need to make efforts in various other ways too.
But question is, in which field I should proceed further. HR or finance? I have no experience in either of it. I don’t have knowledge of Tally or ERP, however I would like to learn that. As I have mentioned in my previous post, I have worked at mid-level positions like front desk, tele-mktg & customer care, admin and counseling. I would like to share few more things about myself or that I have in my mind. I know that you gave your lot of your time to read my thread & provide suggestions above, but if possible pls one more time go through my post and finally suggest me whats best for me. And in the end, I will go with what my heart says.
Here are few things/confusion in my mind,
- I feel that I can be able to study both finance and HR, but during my first semester I liked subects like Organizational behavior & HRM the most.
- I feel that I already studied some subjects related to finance specialization in M.com (external),however my percentage in M.com was very low. So I feel why not study new subjects of HR?
- But then again fear about less job prospects in HR field (like I mentioned in my first post about the suggestions of friends/relatives/faculties etc.)
- I am attending classes on every weekend at the study center of my university. Saturday evening & Sunday – full day. This classes are optional. Now if I take HR, then the study center refuse to arrange classes. They are telling that only if minimum 7 students take HR then only we will arrange classes else you can only attend classes for common subjects. We can’t arrange it specially for less than 7 students as we have to pay to faculties. The faculty and counselor over there are telling me that why do you want to take HR? It has no value and so no one from your batch is choosing it. there is no such thing like HR in India. It is in the infant stage. There are almost 50 students in my batch, I wonder no one wants to take HR. Most boys are preferring Marketing, operations & finance. Only 2-3 more girls are interested in HR, but the number is not enough for special classes to be arranged.
- Its not that I can’t study without the help of classes which are optional & the course is distance learning anyway, but this weekend classes gives me the feel of doing full time course & I get to learn atleast something from faculties & co-students.
- Deep down I am interested in HR, but one more thing that I am afraid of taking HR, like many here stated that those who seek to specialize in HR must have good communication & interactive skills, must be a people’s person & have emotional intelligence etc…… Now the thing is, I am not sure if I am people’s person. But I like to observe and understand people, I can know whats going on in their mind, but am not sure if I can lead, deal with & manage (esp. difficult) people. I like to read articles & books on psychology, I have read some books related to parenting and its effects on people’s personality, values and attitudes etc. So I like to understand people & I believe that I am observer of people but frankly, the thing is that I am sensitive, introvert and shy person. I am trying to be open but somehow not able to get over it due to some apprehensions but working on it and I hope to change. I had difficulty dealing with difficult people in the past. I lack fluency in language, communication & presentation skills right now, become nervous in front of audience – I am working on it. I worked as a counselor. I was comfortable in tele-counselling or one to one counseling but when asked about giving presentation at seminar, I used to back-off. As a result they removed counseling as my primary duty & shifted me in admin & mis. At my workplace I see HR people as good communicator, speakers, announcers. I am not sure how much time it will take to be like that. But I really want to be like them
- Though people say that MBA-finance has better options, I did some research on job portal sites. First of all most banks recruit people less than 28 or 30 years of age (I am 31), some big companies are considering age of candidate especially for finance related position. . Then financial analyst jobs are available very less, and if available, then most of the companies require MBA full time degree or CA/CFA/ICWA etc…. Now rest of the jobs that are available in finance field are like “Relationship manager”, “advisor” “BDM” and all this positions are related to selling of financial products, some of the jobs are of BPOs and KPOs like accounting process or mortgage processes etc.. all this jobs require either a degree in finance or experience in that particular field, and they pays good. But all those jobs are more of a marketing/selling jobs rather than finance. And right now I may able to do such jobs but in the long run I don’t want to grow in marketing for sure…. However my research could be wrong as majority of people says that finance has many options, but am not sure.
- So after considering all this, even I feel that HR is good for me, but what about job prospects and what about the skills require for HR that I lacks partly… partly because I have interest and some flair for it like emotional intelligence & understanding people, but on leadership skills as well as communication part, I am little less confident right now…. But I badly want to work on it… One regret in my mind I have is that nowadays I see very young people having excellent communication & leadership skills while despite being experienced I haven’t developed on this part yet. Some of my seniors & supervisors at my workplace are much younger than me….. Few incidents took place in my life that led me to be like this but I believe that I am much better than I was before but still like work-in-progress & not fully groomed.
From India, Ahmadabad
I would like to apologize for delayed response. As I am working in shifts, I couldn't managed to reply on time.
@Navneetsarin, Yes, you are right that MBA from distance learning is not very good qualification, but now I don’t have the time and capacity to prepare for entrance tests & money to get admission in some good but private institute. For me right now working and earning is necessary. Also I am 31, which is actually too late to study. But I am doing MBA with a thought that “Distance MBA is better than No MBA”.
I have often seen that for various jobs company demands “MBA qualification”. If you check in online job portals even there it is often mentioned in requirements like “Any MBA – any specialization”
Now if I apply to any jobs without MBA then it may happen that my application gets filtered or rejected there itself if no MBA is stated on my resume. If I have MBA (though distance) qualification mentioned on my resume, I may get interview calls, and there atleast I get the opportunity to perform in an interview & prove myself. So keeping that in mind, I am doing distance MBA. Also, I am really interested to study management subjects and nowadays, having MBA degree has become very common and each and everybody has this as a minimum qualification. I too don’t want to lag behind.
Now coming to my confusion between finance and HR. Like Saiconsult stated, that those who want to pursue finance must have flair for numbers, figures & maths. My number crunching & mathematicals skills are mediocre. Not too bad, but can’t be as good as CAs or CFAs. But however I can manage to study Finance subjects in my MBA course. Because the course being distance learning is easier compared to full time courses in elite institutes. Also, I have checked the core finance subjects offered as a specialization by the university from which I am pursuing MBA right now, most of them I already studied in B.com & M.com. However in specialization I may study some subject in little more detail. As far as knowledge of the subject is concerned, I can gather knowledge by studying management books of various other publications and through experience. So its not like my knowledge will be limited to the course I am studying. The MBA I am doing is not that great, but I want it on my resume. It is not the only thing which will help me develop the knowledge, that is something I will need to make efforts in various other ways too.
But question is, in which field I should proceed further. HR or finance? I have no experience in either of it. I don’t have knowledge of Tally or ERP, however I would like to learn that. As I have mentioned in my previous post, I have worked at mid-level positions like front desk, tele-mktg & customer care, admin and counseling. I would like to share few more things about myself or that I have in my mind. I know that you gave your lot of your time to read my thread & provide suggestions above, but if possible pls one more time go through my post and finally suggest me whats best for me. And in the end, I will go with what my heart says.
Here are few things/confusion in my mind,
- I feel that I can be able to study both finance and HR, but during my first semester I liked subects like Organizational behavior & HRM the most.
- I feel that I already studied some subjects related to finance specialization in M.com (external),however my percentage in M.com was very low. So I feel why not study new subjects of HR?
- But then again fear about less job prospects in HR field (like I mentioned in my first post about the suggestions of friends/relatives/faculties etc.)
- I am attending classes on every weekend at the study center of my university. Saturday evening & Sunday – full day. This classes are optional. Now if I take HR, then the study center refuse to arrange classes. They are telling that only if minimum 7 students take HR then only we will arrange classes else you can only attend classes for common subjects. We can’t arrange it specially for less than 7 students as we have to pay to faculties. The faculty and counselor over there are telling me that why do you want to take HR? It has no value and so no one from your batch is choosing it. there is no such thing like HR in India. It is in the infant stage. There are almost 50 students in my batch, I wonder no one wants to take HR. Most boys are preferring Marketing, operations & finance. Only 2-3 more girls are interested in HR, but the number is not enough for special classes to be arranged.
- Its not that I can’t study without the help of classes which are optional & the course is distance learning anyway, but this weekend classes gives me the feel of doing full time course & I get to learn atleast something from faculties & co-students.
- Deep down I am interested in HR, but one more thing that I am afraid of taking HR, like many here stated that those who seek to specialize in HR must have good communication & interactive skills, must be a people’s person & have emotional intelligence etc…… Now the thing is, I am not sure if I am people’s person. But I like to observe and understand people, I can know whats going on in their mind, but am not sure if I can lead, deal with & manage (esp. difficult) people. I like to read articles & books on psychology, I have read some books related to parenting and its effects on people’s personality, values and attitudes etc. So I like to understand people & I believe that I am observer of people but frankly, the thing is that I am sensitive, introvert and shy person. I am trying to be open but somehow not able to get over it due to some apprehensions but working on it and I hope to change. I had difficulty dealing with difficult people in the past. I lack fluency in language, communication & presentation skills right now, become nervous in front of audience – I am working on it. I worked as a counselor. I was comfortable in tele-counselling or one to one counseling but when asked about giving presentation at seminar, I used to back-off. As a result they removed counseling as my primary duty & shifted me in admin & mis. At my workplace I see HR people as good communicator, speakers, announcers. I am not sure how much time it will take to be like that. But I really want to be like them
- Though people say that MBA-finance has better options, I did some research on job portal sites. First of all most banks recruit people less than 28 or 30 years of age (I am 31), some big companies are considering age of candidate especially for finance related position. . Then financial analyst jobs are available very less, and if available, then most of the companies require MBA full time degree or CA/CFA/ICWA etc…. Now rest of the jobs that are available in finance field are like “Relationship manager”, “advisor” “BDM” and all this positions are related to selling of financial products, some of the jobs are of BPOs and KPOs like accounting process or mortgage processes etc.. all this jobs require either a degree in finance or experience in that particular field, and they pays good. But all those jobs are more of a marketing/selling jobs rather than finance. And right now I may able to do such jobs but in the long run I don’t want to grow in marketing for sure…. However my research could be wrong as majority of people says that finance has many options, but am not sure.
- So after considering all this, even I feel that HR is good for me, but what about job prospects and what about the skills require for HR that I lacks partly… partly because I have interest and some flair for it like emotional intelligence & understanding people, but on leadership skills as well as communication part, I am little less confident right now…. But I badly want to work on it… One regret in my mind I have is that nowadays I see very young people having excellent communication & leadership skills while despite being experienced I haven’t developed on this part yet. Some of my seniors & supervisors at my workplace are much younger than me….. Few incidents took place in my life that led me to be like this but I believe that I am much better than I was before but still like work-in-progress & not fully groomed.
From India, Ahmadabad
Dear Rinsay,
Thanks for the reply on my comment and providing in depth information about yourself and your worries. Now I feel you must be having responsibilities and no doubt,on age you are quite late your MBA may not be as good as regular MBA but dear still you don't have to get dishearten. One thing the MBA is an MBA and that will be helpful in future promotions. Now your question of HR/Finance/Marketing. So go for what ever is possible as you says your college is not offering HR then what you can do.
As I feel a job in Finance may not be very easy but a job in BPO/KPO etc may be available easily if you are good in English. Same BPO/KPO can also be good for HR jobs as there one gets good salaries.
Now I come to your last point in HR or actually it's Administration Job you don't have to be worry much as initially you wont be a HR head of a big Company and most of the times the Interviews are conducted by the owners/directors of small Companies and in case of big Companies department heads and Division heads select the person. The job of HR people is just to short list the applications and call them for Interview. Most of the times they are not even part of the interview and their Job starts once some one is selected and they Just have to prepare the Appointment letters or negotiate the package although in 99% cases the packages.
The other major responsibilities are more financial like calculations of wages, overtime, deductions like PF, ESI, final settlement of accounts, bonus, attendance and leave records. As you are holding a M.Com degree and am sure you can handle these calculation quite comfortably.
The next point is the real responsibility of HR rest sure just after joining you won't have to handle that. The Industrial Disputes and wage negotiations are handled at senior levels and it will take you few years to reach that level and rest sure even if you lack something you still have plenty of time to learn. And understand no one is knows how to stand and walk at the time of birth and every one has to learn it only difference is some start walking in 10 months and some child may take 18 months to start walking. Just have faith in yourself you will learn the trade.
Now one other major point you say: " the thing is that I am sensitive, introvert and shy person. I am trying to be open but somehow not able to get over it due to some apprehensions but working on it and I hope to change. I had difficulty dealing with difficult people in the past. I lack fluency in language, communication & presentation skills right now, become nervous in front of audience"
The reason behind this may be is:
(a) You are from a middle class family with some some financial problems. - Please understand 80% of Indians belong to this group but many of them grow and succeed in life.
(b) May be your school was not English medium. - 70% of university students are from Hindi or local language Schools and they don't feel shy for their lack or less knowledge of English. I have seen numerous cases where people speak fluent English although they may not be correct. The lack of English knowledge is not a major issue. Start reading English newspaper daily and try to understand and remember the new words, that will help you improving your English. Once your MBA is over take some English speaking course and they will make you perfect. One more thing as you work in Gujarat no one will sack you if you speak your Gujarati so when you find difficult to express properly in English just express in the local language. You know many of top Gujarati top business people are not very good in English and they are proud to speak their language.
(c) Most important of every thing is you are short of self confidence. Just stop comparing you with others that will demotivate you as one thing is sure every human being is having some good qualities and every one lacks few. So if you just go on finding your faults one day you will decide that you are good for nothing. So dear just try to find where you are good, are you honest, are you sincere and are you dependable and if the answer is affirmative rest sure these are the best qualities with whom any one can succeed. try to improve your shortcomings and learn to believe yourself with envying with any one for his English, knowledge, salary or post.
I hope all this will help you somewhat in increasing your self confidence.
I wish you all the best.
From India, Delhi
Thanks for the reply on my comment and providing in depth information about yourself and your worries. Now I feel you must be having responsibilities and no doubt,on age you are quite late your MBA may not be as good as regular MBA but dear still you don't have to get dishearten. One thing the MBA is an MBA and that will be helpful in future promotions. Now your question of HR/Finance/Marketing. So go for what ever is possible as you says your college is not offering HR then what you can do.
As I feel a job in Finance may not be very easy but a job in BPO/KPO etc may be available easily if you are good in English. Same BPO/KPO can also be good for HR jobs as there one gets good salaries.
Now I come to your last point in HR or actually it's Administration Job you don't have to be worry much as initially you wont be a HR head of a big Company and most of the times the Interviews are conducted by the owners/directors of small Companies and in case of big Companies department heads and Division heads select the person. The job of HR people is just to short list the applications and call them for Interview. Most of the times they are not even part of the interview and their Job starts once some one is selected and they Just have to prepare the Appointment letters or negotiate the package although in 99% cases the packages.
The other major responsibilities are more financial like calculations of wages, overtime, deductions like PF, ESI, final settlement of accounts, bonus, attendance and leave records. As you are holding a M.Com degree and am sure you can handle these calculation quite comfortably.
The next point is the real responsibility of HR rest sure just after joining you won't have to handle that. The Industrial Disputes and wage negotiations are handled at senior levels and it will take you few years to reach that level and rest sure even if you lack something you still have plenty of time to learn. And understand no one is knows how to stand and walk at the time of birth and every one has to learn it only difference is some start walking in 10 months and some child may take 18 months to start walking. Just have faith in yourself you will learn the trade.
Now one other major point you say: " the thing is that I am sensitive, introvert and shy person. I am trying to be open but somehow not able to get over it due to some apprehensions but working on it and I hope to change. I had difficulty dealing with difficult people in the past. I lack fluency in language, communication & presentation skills right now, become nervous in front of audience"
The reason behind this may be is:
(a) You are from a middle class family with some some financial problems. - Please understand 80% of Indians belong to this group but many of them grow and succeed in life.
(b) May be your school was not English medium. - 70% of university students are from Hindi or local language Schools and they don't feel shy for their lack or less knowledge of English. I have seen numerous cases where people speak fluent English although they may not be correct. The lack of English knowledge is not a major issue. Start reading English newspaper daily and try to understand and remember the new words, that will help you improving your English. Once your MBA is over take some English speaking course and they will make you perfect. One more thing as you work in Gujarat no one will sack you if you speak your Gujarati so when you find difficult to express properly in English just express in the local language. You know many of top Gujarati top business people are not very good in English and they are proud to speak their language.
(c) Most important of every thing is you are short of self confidence. Just stop comparing you with others that will demotivate you as one thing is sure every human being is having some good qualities and every one lacks few. So if you just go on finding your faults one day you will decide that you are good for nothing. So dear just try to find where you are good, are you honest, are you sincere and are you dependable and if the answer is affirmative rest sure these are the best qualities with whom any one can succeed. try to improve your shortcomings and learn to believe yourself with envying with any one for his English, knowledge, salary or post.
I hope all this will help you somewhat in increasing your self confidence.
I wish you all the best.
From India, Delhi
Dear Rinsay
Mr. Navneet Sarin has given very valuable tips as to how to go about your career and to overcome your mental blocks.With some experience, MBA through distance education carries equal value as that of teh regular one.I have known people becoming Vice-Presidents-HR with an MBA through distance education backed by their experience.I know people from street schools speaking more impeccable English than the so called conevent educated. Nothing is impossible, if you are determined. I admire the efforts you are making to be some one.When there are efforts, the fruits will automatically follow. You need not worry. Try to have an inner circle (of friends or relatives) who can walk along with you and help you in achieving all round growth on your journey.All the best.
B.Saikumar
HR & labour Law advisor
Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
Mr. Navneet Sarin has given very valuable tips as to how to go about your career and to overcome your mental blocks.With some experience, MBA through distance education carries equal value as that of teh regular one.I have known people becoming Vice-Presidents-HR with an MBA through distance education backed by their experience.I know people from street schools speaking more impeccable English than the so called conevent educated. Nothing is impossible, if you are determined. I admire the efforts you are making to be some one.When there are efforts, the fruits will automatically follow. You need not worry. Try to have an inner circle (of friends or relatives) who can walk along with you and help you in achieving all round growth on your journey.All the best.
B.Saikumar
HR & labour Law advisor
Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
dear all i think we have done enough justice to this topic . we need to end any more comments on this topic and let our friend take a decision on his own with given inputs blessings 'dr ram
From India, Indore
From India, Indore
Dear all
I would like to know about the career in HR or Quality (after doing Six Sigma Certification).
Presently i am working in Hr department but there is no learning so i am thinking to change my department as Quality. please suggest me the right way.
From India, Delhi
I would like to know about the career in HR or Quality (after doing Six Sigma Certification).
Presently i am working in Hr department but there is no learning so i am thinking to change my department as Quality. please suggest me the right way.
From India, Delhi
DEAR SHIPRAWAL 2310 i suggest start a new thread so more people can see ur need and reply . i hv already recommended closing this thread blessings dr ram
From India, Indore
From India, Indore
hello ankita
thanks for your response.i have idea regarding balance scorecard but i need some information regarding benchmarking
and one humble request can you please mail some information at
or please give me your mail so that i can come in direct contact with you ankita.
hope you understand and respond promptly
From India, Hyderabad
thanks for your response.i have idea regarding balance scorecard but i need some information regarding benchmarking
and one humble request can you please mail some information at
hope you understand and respond promptly
From India, Hyderabad
Choose what you want not what others are suggesting.
Respect your choice, life is yours and you are responsible for taking any decisions.
Choose the most enjoyable field as per you only and take the responsibilities else if anything happens wrong then you will always blame to CiteHR, that, community misguided you.
Chill HR !!
From India, Gurgaon
Respect your choice, life is yours and you are responsible for taking any decisions.
Choose the most enjoyable field as per you only and take the responsibilities else if anything happens wrong then you will always blame to CiteHR, that, community misguided you.
Chill HR !!
From India, Gurgaon
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