Dear Korgaonkarji,
I take this opportunity to write to you in appreciation of your posts. I do admire your posts as they are very accurate and informative. I recall your post about PF benefits available to a posthumous child posted a few days ago in a different thread. It was a masterpiece by you. The names of all stalwarts you have mentioned (including yourself) are indeed masters in their subjects, and their posts are thoroughly readable. Their comments, with proper analysis, are worthy of a book. It is because of them that the discussions become interesting, enjoyable, and lively. I have learned a lot from these discussions, which I must openly acknowledge.
So, I specially request you, Korgaonkarji, and all Masters not to refrain from posting your views and comments. Otherwise, the discussions will consist of mere words without any valuable material.
With Regards,
Adv. Kishor Kulkarni.
From India, Kolhapur
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244I take this opportunity to write to you in appreciation of your posts. I do admire your posts as they are very accurate and informative. I recall your post about PF benefits available to a posthumous child posted a few days ago in a different thread. It was a masterpiece by you. The names of all stalwarts you have mentioned (including yourself) are indeed masters in their subjects, and their posts are thoroughly readable. Their comments, with proper analysis, are worthy of a book. It is because of them that the discussions become interesting, enjoyable, and lively. I have learned a lot from these discussions, which I must openly acknowledge.
So, I specially request you, Korgaonkarji, and all Masters not to refrain from posting your views and comments. Otherwise, the discussions will consist of mere words without any valuable material.
With Regards,
Adv. Kishor Kulkarni.
From India, Kolhapur
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Dear Kishor ji,
Thank you for your response. In fact, I had gone through your profile and some of the posts and was surprised by how well you can respond. You have cleared up my misunderstanding. Thanks a lot again.
I look forward to our fruitful interactions on this platform and exchanging views on different issues to enhance our knowledge.
From India, Mumbai
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Thank you for your response. In fact, I had gone through your profile and some of the posts and was surprised by how well you can respond. You have cleared up my misunderstanding. Thanks a lot again.
I look forward to our fruitful interactions on this platform and exchanging views on different issues to enhance our knowledge.
From India, Mumbai
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Dear Mr. Kishore Kulkarni,
I appreciate the posts of Mr. Korgaonkar and other seniors. You cannot be so harsh in telling them they have not done the homework. I am sorry to say that this situation is also present in Karnataka state. Many times, this has happened with us as well.
I would like to share an instance that happened with us. We had applied for a contract labor license renewal online. The status showed rejected for an incomplete application. Later, when I contacted the ALC, he asked me to get in touch with a clerk in his office or apply through an agent suggested by him. When I met the clerk, he demanded a sum on behalf of the ALC. When I negotiated with him for 50% of the demand, he just ignored me, telling me to get in touch with an agent who would get the job done.
When I came out of the office and was in the parking lot near my vehicle, a person approached me and gave me his visiting card. That evening, I called him on the mobile. He said he would come to my office the next morning, collect the documents, and get the job done. The next morning, he came to my office and guaranteed me he would get the license within a week. He demanded 30% extra amount than what the ALC's clerk demanded, telling me the extra amount is his fee and the rest goes to the ALC, clerk, and case worker. (This amount is exclusive of Govt. Fee and registration).
This is the status everywhere in Government Departments. To be frank, this is also the situation in the Pollution Control Board.
Thank you.
From India, Bengaluru
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I appreciate the posts of Mr. Korgaonkar and other seniors. You cannot be so harsh in telling them they have not done the homework. I am sorry to say that this situation is also present in Karnataka state. Many times, this has happened with us as well.
I would like to share an instance that happened with us. We had applied for a contract labor license renewal online. The status showed rejected for an incomplete application. Later, when I contacted the ALC, he asked me to get in touch with a clerk in his office or apply through an agent suggested by him. When I met the clerk, he demanded a sum on behalf of the ALC. When I negotiated with him for 50% of the demand, he just ignored me, telling me to get in touch with an agent who would get the job done.
When I came out of the office and was in the parking lot near my vehicle, a person approached me and gave me his visiting card. That evening, I called him on the mobile. He said he would come to my office the next morning, collect the documents, and get the job done. The next morning, he came to my office and guaranteed me he would get the license within a week. He demanded 30% extra amount than what the ALC's clerk demanded, telling me the extra amount is his fee and the rest goes to the ALC, clerk, and case worker. (This amount is exclusive of Govt. Fee and registration).
This is the status everywhere in Government Departments. To be frank, this is also the situation in the Pollution Control Board.
Thank you.
From India, Bengaluru
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Dear Ms. Syma,
Thank you for your contribution.
Sometimes we may come across as a bit harsh.
The incident you mentioned is observed in government offices nationwide. Even in Mantralayas, your paper will not budge without a paperweight. Agents can be found everywhere. I have noticed many Labor Law Consultants solely focusing on "settlements." In my opinion, they are not consultants but rather "Dalals."
Government officers often regard everyone as "Dalals," and if you stand out, you may face harassment. I have personally experienced this multiple times.
Both these "Dalals" and government officers seem to disregard the law.
The current Central and State Governments have taken various measures to address such practices. Change will take time, but without change, nothing will improve.
I am grateful to our Anonymous Friend for providing me with the opportunity to share all this.
I also appreciate CiteHr, the platform where we can express our views anonymously.
I encourage other members to share their thoughts on this matter.
Thank you and best regards.
Adv. Keshav Korgaonkar
From India, Mumbai
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Thank you for your contribution.
Sometimes we may come across as a bit harsh.
The incident you mentioned is observed in government offices nationwide. Even in Mantralayas, your paper will not budge without a paperweight. Agents can be found everywhere. I have noticed many Labor Law Consultants solely focusing on "settlements." In my opinion, they are not consultants but rather "Dalals."
Government officers often regard everyone as "Dalals," and if you stand out, you may face harassment. I have personally experienced this multiple times.
Both these "Dalals" and government officers seem to disregard the law.
The current Central and State Governments have taken various measures to address such practices. Change will take time, but without change, nothing will improve.
I am grateful to our Anonymous Friend for providing me with the opportunity to share all this.
I also appreciate CiteHr, the platform where we can express our views anonymously.
I encourage other members to share their thoughts on this matter.
Thank you and best regards.
Adv. Keshav Korgaonkar
From India, Mumbai
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Hello,
Please file an RTI application with the department through an advocate, raising appropriate queries for which you need an answer. Upon receipt of the reply, make corrections if needed and file once again. If no correction is needed, then take the copy of the reply along with your application and meet the concerned officer for further clarity.
Thank you,
A&B
From India, Ahmedabad
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Please file an RTI application with the department through an advocate, raising appropriate queries for which you need an answer. Upon receipt of the reply, make corrections if needed and file once again. If no correction is needed, then take the copy of the reply along with your application and meet the concerned officer for further clarity.
Thank you,
A&B
From India, Ahmedabad
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The discussion is enlightening and thought-provoking. However, much as we may find it distasteful, yet the reality has to be acknowledged. One can't brush everything under the carpet and assume everything is fine in an ideal situation.
I appreciate Koragaonkar ji's comments, and he has taken pains to sensitize the members on the ground realities. As rightly pointed out by him, in the case of e-applications, all the documents need to be uploaded one by one, as per the process laid down.
Moreover, about 75% rejection at the first instance, which is cleared later upon a personal meeting with the officials, doesn't speak well about the bureaucracy and its working. Despite Indian bureaucracy being paid well through subsequent pay commissions, such unethical and corrupt practices should not be allowed to continue. It's the moral duty of all of us, as citizens, to keep on fighting such evil practices to the best of our abilities.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
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I appreciate Koragaonkar ji's comments, and he has taken pains to sensitize the members on the ground realities. As rightly pointed out by him, in the case of e-applications, all the documents need to be uploaded one by one, as per the process laid down.
Moreover, about 75% rejection at the first instance, which is cleared later upon a personal meeting with the officials, doesn't speak well about the bureaucracy and its working. Despite Indian bureaucracy being paid well through subsequent pay commissions, such unethical and corrupt practices should not be allowed to continue. It's the moral duty of all of us, as citizens, to keep on fighting such evil practices to the best of our abilities.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
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Dear Kishor Kulkarni ji,
First rejection of mine for RC under CLRA Act, 1970, Reason - "Incomplete Application", subsequently it has been ratified upon direction given by the Official and uploaded again within "friction of time". It has been rejected citing the same ground "Incomplete Application". It is ridiculous. This shows the unethical practice/approach of the Government Official.
From India, Mumbai
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First rejection of mine for RC under CLRA Act, 1970, Reason - "Incomplete Application", subsequently it has been ratified upon direction given by the Official and uploaded again within "friction of time". It has been rejected citing the same ground "Incomplete Application". It is ridiculous. This shows the unethical practice/approach of the Government Official.
From India, Mumbai
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Same salutation in Delhi also, but there has been a slight improvement after AAP. Now, they are a little bit afraid that someone may listen to a complaint against them. I myself had a lot of trouble in getting a contract labor license in 2014 in the Delhi labor office.
From India, Delhi
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From India, Delhi
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Dear Friends,
Such kinds of practices will continue as long as there are people willing to pay bribes. I have seen a number of so-called consultants only engaging in the act of "Patav_ing," and the officers feel safer with such consultants. Mr. Korgaonkar rightly stated that they are not consultants but rather "DALALs."
I appreciate this site for allowing us to post anonymously. It is the only platform we have where we can keep our names secret when necessary. We should make use of this feature to combat corrupt practices.
From India, Mumbai
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Such kinds of practices will continue as long as there are people willing to pay bribes. I have seen a number of so-called consultants only engaging in the act of "Patav_ing," and the officers feel safer with such consultants. Mr. Korgaonkar rightly stated that they are not consultants but rather "DALALs."
I appreciate this site for allowing us to post anonymously. It is the only platform we have where we can keep our names secret when necessary. We should make use of this feature to combat corrupt practices.
From India, Mumbai
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The Central Bureau of Investigation has arrested a Deputy Chief Labour Commissioner, an Assistant Labour Commissioner, a Labour Enforcement Officer, all working in Kochi (Kerala), and a Human Resource Manager of a private firm in a bribery case.
A case was registered on 04.01.2017 under Section 120B of the IPC and Sections 7, 12, 13(2) read with 13(1)(d) of the PC Act, 1988 against the Deputy Chief Labour Commissioner, Kochi, and Assistant Labour Commissioner, Kochi, on the allegations that the accused were collecting illegal gratification regularly from labor contractors. It was also alleged that the Deputy Chief Labour Commissioner was the monitoring body to ensure minimum wage and other required amenities for the laborers. Further, it was alleged that the accused entered into a criminal conspiracy and demanded a bribe from the Human Resource Manager of a private firm carrying out construction projects at IIM Calicut.
The CBI intercepted the accused persons while handing over Rs. 25,000 each to the Deputy Chief Labour Commissioner and Assistant Labour Commissioner, and Rs. 10,000 to the Labour Enforcement Officer by the said Human Resource Manager of the private firm. Additionally, an amount of Rs. 50,000 was recovered from the Deputy Chief Labour Commissioner. Searches were conducted at the residential and official premises of the accused.
The arrested accused were produced before the Designated Court at Kochi and remanded to Judicial Custody.
From India, Mumbai
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A case was registered on 04.01.2017 under Section 120B of the IPC and Sections 7, 12, 13(2) read with 13(1)(d) of the PC Act, 1988 against the Deputy Chief Labour Commissioner, Kochi, and Assistant Labour Commissioner, Kochi, on the allegations that the accused were collecting illegal gratification regularly from labor contractors. It was also alleged that the Deputy Chief Labour Commissioner was the monitoring body to ensure minimum wage and other required amenities for the laborers. Further, it was alleged that the accused entered into a criminal conspiracy and demanded a bribe from the Human Resource Manager of a private firm carrying out construction projects at IIM Calicut.
The CBI intercepted the accused persons while handing over Rs. 25,000 each to the Deputy Chief Labour Commissioner and Assistant Labour Commissioner, and Rs. 10,000 to the Labour Enforcement Officer by the said Human Resource Manager of the private firm. Additionally, an amount of Rs. 50,000 was recovered from the Deputy Chief Labour Commissioner. Searches were conducted at the residential and official premises of the accused.
The arrested accused were produced before the Designated Court at Kochi and remanded to Judicial Custody.
From India, Mumbai
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