Dear Saswata & HRK,
100 kg (which means a maximum of 6 cylinders in terms of cylinder quantity - Domestic 14.2 kg capacity) can be kept at one location unconnected, even though the cylinders are properly sealed and fitted with Derlin Caps. This rule applies to LPGas Distributors and not to anyone else. It implies that when the quantity exceeds 100 kg, a license is required to store or keep them collectively. Apart from LPGas distributors, one family cannot possess more than 2 domestic cylinders (one connected to the stove and another stored as an additional). LPGas Distributors typically do not keep more than 6 filled cylinders at their shop for quick/emergency supply, for which a license is not necessary as they have a licensed godown. Apart from LPGas Distributors, an individual cannot possess an LPGas cylinder (even ONE of any capacity - 5 kg to 47.5 kg) without the proper document called SV.
Regarding Mr. HRK's case, if the installed capacity of the Manifold exceeds 1000 kg, a license must be issued by The Chief Controller of Explosives, Nagpur. An adequate size of the Manifold Location with fencing and open space all around the installation is required. The rule book is extensive. Therefore, opt for LoT Manifold Installation, which consists of fewer cylinders in one manifold.
Regards,
Abhinandan
From India, Hubli
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3100 kg (which means a maximum of 6 cylinders in terms of cylinder quantity - Domestic 14.2 kg capacity) can be kept at one location unconnected, even though the cylinders are properly sealed and fitted with Derlin Caps. This rule applies to LPGas Distributors and not to anyone else. It implies that when the quantity exceeds 100 kg, a license is required to store or keep them collectively. Apart from LPGas distributors, one family cannot possess more than 2 domestic cylinders (one connected to the stove and another stored as an additional). LPGas Distributors typically do not keep more than 6 filled cylinders at their shop for quick/emergency supply, for which a license is not necessary as they have a licensed godown. Apart from LPGas Distributors, an individual cannot possess an LPGas cylinder (even ONE of any capacity - 5 kg to 47.5 kg) without the proper document called SV.
Regarding Mr. HRK's case, if the installed capacity of the Manifold exceeds 1000 kg, a license must be issued by The Chief Controller of Explosives, Nagpur. An adequate size of the Manifold Location with fencing and open space all around the installation is required. The rule book is extensive. Therefore, opt for LoT Manifold Installation, which consists of fewer cylinders in one manifold.
Regards,
Abhinandan
From India, Hubli
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Dear Sir, LPG domestic cylinders can not be used in industrial purpose and one can keep only Five cylinders with out license , industrial cylinder capacity is 19 kgs. regards, T.S.SRINIVASAN
From India, Pondicherry
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There are 2 acts that govern PESO. Cylinder rules fall under the Petroleum Act. The other is the Explosives Act. They are both applicable, not alternate. The cylinder rules state "possession." Nothing there indicates it is only for LPG distributors. Anyone having LPG cylinders in their possession, regardless of whether it's connected or stored, must follow the rules. Additionally, we are discussing commercial gas cylinders in a factory, not domestic cylinders in a home.
From India, Mumbai
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Dear All,
The distributor is authorized to have possession and can store at licensed premises. Others can have or be in possession of a legally procured cylinder, either domestic or industrial. However, without a valid document, one cannot have or be in possession of a single cylinder, whether filled or empty. I hope this is clear.
Now, industrial/commercial cylinders are available in 5kg, 19kg, 35kg, and 47.5kg packages (capacity). I am addressing both domestic and industrial aspects of the rules and regulations of the LPG Code of Practice. For all others (excluding gas distributors), possession of cylinders is only permitted with a valid document. Additionally, legally obtained cylinders in industrial cases cannot be stored unconnected or loosely. These cylinders (empty or filled) should be connected to the user line or manifold. I trust this clarifies the matter.
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Abhinandan
From India, Hubli
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The distributor is authorized to have possession and can store at licensed premises. Others can have or be in possession of a legally procured cylinder, either domestic or industrial. However, without a valid document, one cannot have or be in possession of a single cylinder, whether filled or empty. I hope this is clear.
Now, industrial/commercial cylinders are available in 5kg, 19kg, 35kg, and 47.5kg packages (capacity). I am addressing both domestic and industrial aspects of the rules and regulations of the LPG Code of Practice. For all others (excluding gas distributors), possession of cylinders is only permitted with a valid document. Additionally, legally obtained cylinders in industrial cases cannot be stored unconnected or loosely. These cylinders (empty or filled) should be connected to the user line or manifold. I trust this clarifies the matter.
Regards,
Abhinandan
From India, Hubli
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Without documentation (meaning a license), anyone can have up to 100 kg of LPG in cylinders. That is 5 cylinders in case of standard 19.5 kg commercial cylinders. Where does it say you cannot have more than 1 cylinder? The point in the original post was about whether he can have 1000 kg in LPG gas cylinders in a manifold. The ISI/BIS rule and norm for setting up a manifold is one aspect. There is also another aspect that is covered under the Explosive Act and Petroleum Act that needs to be adhered to.
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The builder in an apartment complex of more than 1000 apartments has built a Reticulated LPG supply system which has many design faults and no references to the Gas safety rules or IS 6044. The gas bank is a single one with about 3500 kg of gas in several cylinders with a vaporizer at the edge of the multi-story complex. The pipe lengths are quite large, and only a two-stage regulation is used for each apartment. The controls are not easily accessible.
I would like to know what statutory approvals one should have for accepting such a system. Though the quantity of gas is large, the Inspectorate of Explosives is refusing to issue any certificate. How do we accept such a system which has flouted many rules? I am told that the major oil company's certificate is enough, who has done the installation and will supply the gas. Are there any private parties who can do Hazop and safety audit and issue the certificate? Any guidelines?
Srini
From India, Bangalore
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I would like to know what statutory approvals one should have for accepting such a system. Though the quantity of gas is large, the Inspectorate of Explosives is refusing to issue any certificate. How do we accept such a system which has flouted many rules? I am told that the major oil company's certificate is enough, who has done the installation and will supply the gas. Are there any private parties who can do Hazop and safety audit and issue the certificate? Any guidelines?
Srini
From India, Bangalore
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Dear Mr. Sudhir,
Thank you for the input. Additionally, all the fittings used in that location are to be spark-proof.
Dear Abhinandan,
Thank you for your detailed explanation. As we are not handling LPG, it was not known. This is a nice learning.
From India, Delhi
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Thank you for the input. Additionally, all the fittings used in that location are to be spark-proof.
Dear Abhinandan,
Thank you for your detailed explanation. As we are not handling LPG, it was not known. This is a nice learning.
From India, Delhi
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Dear Mr. HRK,
If the installed capacity doesn't exceed 1000kg, then a license from the Explosive Department is not required. However, you need to have in possession a PRESSURE & LEAK TEST REPORT with Drawing details layout duly signed to be furnished by the contractor who has carried out the installation. This is very essential. Ensure proper ventilation at the bottom and at the top of the manifold/storage room. Do not use electric switches or lamps/bulbs in the cylinder premises. You can use concealed bulbs approved by the authority (the contractor knows this) with the switch placed in another location. Please avoid this as much as possible. No mobile phones should be used in the manifold room. Also, no smoking is allowed. Replace the empty cylinders with filled ones by the authorized delivery boy.
Dear Mr. Srini,
Please give a couple of days to solve your query.
Thanks & Warm Regards,
Abhinandan.
From India, Hubli
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If the installed capacity doesn't exceed 1000kg, then a license from the Explosive Department is not required. However, you need to have in possession a PRESSURE & LEAK TEST REPORT with Drawing details layout duly signed to be furnished by the contractor who has carried out the installation. This is very essential. Ensure proper ventilation at the bottom and at the top of the manifold/storage room. Do not use electric switches or lamps/bulbs in the cylinder premises. You can use concealed bulbs approved by the authority (the contractor knows this) with the switch placed in another location. Please avoid this as much as possible. No mobile phones should be used in the manifold room. Also, no smoking is allowed. Replace the empty cylinders with filled ones by the authorized delivery boy.
Dear Mr. Srini,
Please give a couple of days to solve your query.
Thanks & Warm Regards,
Abhinandan.
From India, Hubli
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Dear Srini,
I have a question this is the MAJOR mistake ever did in INDIA when you given a contract to CONTRACTORS you should provide SOW to contractors prior to BID in that SOW should includes which standards they should follow, They must need to provide as build drawing, test certificates, warranty certificates etc..,, As you mentioned which has many design faults and no references to the Gas safety rules or IS 6044. . . its 100% purely your fault. . . Never give a chance to contractors or subcontractors to speak as a customer we need to say what we need. . .
We are not pro-active on your case what ever we said to sub contractor they do the same we are failed to direct them rightly. . .
If go by NFPA 70: NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE May you will get all electrical standard requirements of gas storage area.
Then Mr.Abhinandhan highlight one good point regarding Mobile phone usage in manifold room. You can place sign boards whatever it is you can’t control they can used the phone in this case better you can install ‘’cell Phone Jammer ‘’ cell Phone mobile Jammer transmits low power radio signals to cut-off communications between cell phone and cellular base-stations.
What I suggest in this case better to contact any good consultant make sure you did it right because in an apartment complex of more than 1000 apartments if something went wrong it will become a disaster.
Prevention is better than cure. . .
Thanks for your input Mr.Abhinandhan. . .
Keep on Sharing. . .
From United States, Fpo
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I have a question this is the MAJOR mistake ever did in INDIA when you given a contract to CONTRACTORS you should provide SOW to contractors prior to BID in that SOW should includes which standards they should follow, They must need to provide as build drawing, test certificates, warranty certificates etc..,, As you mentioned which has many design faults and no references to the Gas safety rules or IS 6044. . . its 100% purely your fault. . . Never give a chance to contractors or subcontractors to speak as a customer we need to say what we need. . .
We are not pro-active on your case what ever we said to sub contractor they do the same we are failed to direct them rightly. . .
If go by NFPA 70: NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE May you will get all electrical standard requirements of gas storage area.
Then Mr.Abhinandhan highlight one good point regarding Mobile phone usage in manifold room. You can place sign boards whatever it is you can’t control they can used the phone in this case better you can install ‘’cell Phone Jammer ‘’ cell Phone mobile Jammer transmits low power radio signals to cut-off communications between cell phone and cellular base-stations.
What I suggest in this case better to contact any good consultant make sure you did it right because in an apartment complex of more than 1000 apartments if something went wrong it will become a disaster.
Prevention is better than cure. . .
Thanks for your input Mr.Abhinandhan. . .
Keep on Sharing. . .
From United States, Fpo
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