Dear Dinesh,
Your posting is now having clarity... But when you read your first post.. Immediate thoughts would be this way....
Try reading your post again.. You've been very cautious not to use any gender which should be really appreciated..:) :)
But when the thread heading is speaking about females..obvious with no second thought.. it would apply to females..
Anyways, thanks for the clarity given by you...:)
Regards,
Bharghavi
From India, Bangalore
125Your posting is now having clarity... But when you read your first post.. Immediate thoughts would be this way....
Try reading your post again.. You've been very cautious not to use any gender which should be really appreciated..:) :)
But when the thread heading is speaking about females..obvious with no second thought.. it would apply to females..
Anyways, thanks for the clarity given by you...:)
Regards,
Bharghavi
From India, Bangalore
well as per my little exp in recruitment i came to know that people usually get convinced easily from females than to males.... its proved.... and recruitment is meant for turn up and joining...
and to DVD sir.... recruitment is first step in HR for any MBA.. one need to know about basic of recruitment..
and 90% recruitment industry is dominated by females but if u talk about job satisfaction its less than 30%( based on my assumption :) )
From India, Delhi
and to DVD sir.... recruitment is first step in HR for any MBA.. one need to know about basic of recruitment..
and 90% recruitment industry is dominated by females but if u talk about job satisfaction its less than 30%( based on my assumption :) )
From India, Delhi
Dear Satish
How could u know that women are dominant ....
Give instances or could u provide data so that I can analyze & give proper feedback to your queries.
However, Beauty, Voice & opposite sex may be said as dominant factor
You can change ur sex & ur thought will change & say " why males are more dominant in recruitments than females...
Regards
Mail2rasmi
How could u know that women are dominant ....
Give instances or could u provide data so that I can analyze & give proper feedback to your queries.
However, Beauty, Voice & opposite sex may be said as dominant factor
You can change ur sex & ur thought will change & say " why males are more dominant in recruitments than females...
Regards
Mail2rasmi
Dear Reader,
I think everyone has his perception about the topics; but it should be fair and justified to logic. If we talk about Recruitment; we need a person who has patience, inter personal skills, knowledge and decision making skill. It is not at all related with sex that a woman or man can be a better Recruiter. Its a matter of quality, EQ and IQ. If any person fits in this criteria he is sure to be a good/ dominant Recruiter
Please don't relate any position with gender/ sex. Secondly as far as I know the position of a Recruiter is of high regard because he deals with all types of talents from bottom to top and from technical to non technical. If somebody has low perception for this position it may be his own view based on his experiences.
Regards
Vilom Mane
From India, Delhi
I think everyone has his perception about the topics; but it should be fair and justified to logic. If we talk about Recruitment; we need a person who has patience, inter personal skills, knowledge and decision making skill. It is not at all related with sex that a woman or man can be a better Recruiter. Its a matter of quality, EQ and IQ. If any person fits in this criteria he is sure to be a good/ dominant Recruiter
Please don't relate any position with gender/ sex. Secondly as far as I know the position of a Recruiter is of high regard because he deals with all types of talents from bottom to top and from technical to non technical. If somebody has low perception for this position it may be his own view based on his experiences.
Regards
Vilom Mane
From India, Delhi
ya... really nice question. according to my view for every result there is root cause. if we want resolve we have to think from undergrounds. coming to point
1.by statistical observation most of the management students(males) are opting finance&marketing
marketing for immediate placement, higher growth & higher package.
finance: most of the mgt students from commerce background so to get efficient they are opting finance.
coming to females: most of the people are opting HR DUE TO IMMOVABILITY. so numerically females are more.
2.females are more attractive and they can draw the attention of client companies and applied candidates by thier pleasing manner, convincing power. lastly no work is restricted to any gender. mostly every one can do any work. IF I HURT ANY GENDER PLS EXCUSE
THANKS AND REGARDS
MADHAVI
From India, Visakhapatnam
1.by statistical observation most of the management students(males) are opting finance&marketing
marketing for immediate placement, higher growth & higher package.
finance: most of the mgt students from commerce background so to get efficient they are opting finance.
coming to females: most of the people are opting HR DUE TO IMMOVABILITY. so numerically females are more.
2.females are more attractive and they can draw the attention of client companies and applied candidates by thier pleasing manner, convincing power. lastly no work is restricted to any gender. mostly every one can do any work. IF I HURT ANY GENDER PLS EXCUSE
THANKS AND REGARDS
MADHAVI
From India, Visakhapatnam
i also agree to this statement of TS. As every HR is understanding the deffernt personnels from his angle and his experience. So let every body participate in this type of discussion and the different views from different HRs shall definately help to others to upgrade them selves as well as to understant the story of the other side of the coin.
I Think Mr. Satish is trying to say some thing about the nature of the job and the different requirements of the job. The quality like communication is an added advantage for the women as a recruiter.
Thanks.
R K
From India, Calcutta
I Think Mr. Satish is trying to say some thing about the nature of the job and the different requirements of the job. The quality like communication is an added advantage for the women as a recruiter.
Thanks.
R K
From India, Calcutta
vivek_hr - appreciate your reply which is to the point of query - professional, positive and analytical. It is another matter that also appreciate the contents of your reply, being a female myself!
From India, Pune
From India, Pune
No one can survive in the industry rather be it a women or men, unless he or she has a skill to develop him/herself and at the same time develop the business of the company. Gender doesn’t dominate the industry, what dominates is ……?? Skill,, if you have skill, you will progress otherwise ……..wait-->increase the existing skills level--> and then grow--> dominate the industry/company. This what happens not only in recruitment industry but also other industries.
From India, Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
Dear Mr. DVD,
Your analysis is way off the mark, especially for a trainer. Your analysis is about mediocre recruiters or recruiters who failed at their jobs and not that of a top biller. Moreover, I could excuse you if you don't know much the recruitment industry given you are from the training industry.
a) Lack of self-awareness. This is because lack of personality development
***In order to be "successful" in any profession, a good personality cannot be discounted ever. My assumption is right, you only saw unsuccessful recruiters until now.
b) Disinclination to take challenges. There are lot of jobs available in operations, supply chain, marketing, advertising etc. But it may not table and chair job. Recruiters prefer to slog on chair rather than on shop floor or field.
**I am convinced you would not know about head-hunters and the entire spectrum of the recruitment industry. You have never heard about Addeco. You wouldn't know until now from me that they are grossing over €20 billion in revenues. Table and Chair Job - You are getting hilarious now.
c) Many of them lack analytical skills. This is because poor command over Maths and Stats. Many other disciplines demand command over these two subjects.
**** Seriously your conclusion about a recruiter is based on recruiter's who were on the verge of leaving their jobs as a result of failing in their roles. What you require to be successful in the this role is good communication skills and good selling skills. Both of them is an art and a science.You got to sell the role. If you can't do it, you don't get your money. But I would agree with you if you say Math and Stat are as important to succeed in any given role.
d) Lack of love for money. It is inner urge to earn more money that drives one's ambition. I have seen few recruiters quite complacent.
** You ought to be kidding now. I have seen so many stupid trainers in my life that I have ever bargained for. However I won't damn the entire profession of trainers. There are trainers who never go beyond learning what they already know. But I couldn't make an assumption - Trainers don't love money. Successful trainers do.
e) Inability to plan one's career. Unfortunately, sometimes MBAs end up as recruiters. This is because of lack of self esteem.
** So many trainers remain trainers for their entire life. They don't start an company. But the good ones do and make a lot of money. Besides you need a doctor to hire a doctor. You need a Trainer to recruit a trainer and so on. Perhaps you are referring to an MBA recruiter who only hires MBAs. If that isn't the case, I am convinced you don't have a clue about recruitment companies
f) Recruiters don't have to rub their shoulders with average people. Sometimes senior professionals in other discipline have to deal with mediocre people. Recruiters in contrast have their own haven in which they find birds of their feather.
** Seriously you have lost the plot here, didn't you?
Nevertheless, recruiter's job is plain grind. It has its own challenges. Sometimes candidates give least regard to recruiters. They do not turn up for interview. Selected candidates do not turn up for job. Plus there is pressure for closure for 'x' number of positions.
*** Do you think a Neuro-surgeon's job is more exciting. He drills into the same kind of skulls everyday for a living. The pareto rule applies every where. Besides the trainer gives out the same verbal diarrhea for every other session he takes.
I have given my observations. However, my boldness should not be construed as boorishness
*** I am sure these are your observations without bothering to look for the facts around you. Ineffective training also includes the one without researching.
The other factors for women are marriage and going family way. But then these are universal and recruiters only cannot be singled out.
** Why make a point then ?
Initially I thought of not writing to avoid an exchange, however I thought I won't be fair to those young impressionable lassies reading such a disparaging write-up about their profession they intend to take. This is a serious profession and a serious job for people who want to make a career. Well let's admit the fairer sex has a genetic advantage of better communication skills over males. They do get a head start and could hit the ground running, however it takes a lot more than genetic advantage to reach the finish line.
So in conclusion, your observations about the recruiter tribe is simply a product of ill-researched facts. Alas ! Damn me for being a man, I only wish I had better communication skills to convince you.
Therefore, I await for your bold or boorish comments alike.
Cheers,
Saj
From India, Bangalore
Your analysis is way off the mark, especially for a trainer. Your analysis is about mediocre recruiters or recruiters who failed at their jobs and not that of a top biller. Moreover, I could excuse you if you don't know much the recruitment industry given you are from the training industry.
a) Lack of self-awareness. This is because lack of personality development
***In order to be "successful" in any profession, a good personality cannot be discounted ever. My assumption is right, you only saw unsuccessful recruiters until now.
b) Disinclination to take challenges. There are lot of jobs available in operations, supply chain, marketing, advertising etc. But it may not table and chair job. Recruiters prefer to slog on chair rather than on shop floor or field.
**I am convinced you would not know about head-hunters and the entire spectrum of the recruitment industry. You have never heard about Addeco. You wouldn't know until now from me that they are grossing over €20 billion in revenues. Table and Chair Job - You are getting hilarious now.
c) Many of them lack analytical skills. This is because poor command over Maths and Stats. Many other disciplines demand command over these two subjects.
**** Seriously your conclusion about a recruiter is based on recruiter's who were on the verge of leaving their jobs as a result of failing in their roles. What you require to be successful in the this role is good communication skills and good selling skills. Both of them is an art and a science.You got to sell the role. If you can't do it, you don't get your money. But I would agree with you if you say Math and Stat are as important to succeed in any given role.
d) Lack of love for money. It is inner urge to earn more money that drives one's ambition. I have seen few recruiters quite complacent.
** You ought to be kidding now. I have seen so many stupid trainers in my life that I have ever bargained for. However I won't damn the entire profession of trainers. There are trainers who never go beyond learning what they already know. But I couldn't make an assumption - Trainers don't love money. Successful trainers do.
e) Inability to plan one's career. Unfortunately, sometimes MBAs end up as recruiters. This is because of lack of self esteem.
** So many trainers remain trainers for their entire life. They don't start an company. But the good ones do and make a lot of money. Besides you need a doctor to hire a doctor. You need a Trainer to recruit a trainer and so on. Perhaps you are referring to an MBA recruiter who only hires MBAs. If that isn't the case, I am convinced you don't have a clue about recruitment companies
f) Recruiters don't have to rub their shoulders with average people. Sometimes senior professionals in other discipline have to deal with mediocre people. Recruiters in contrast have their own haven in which they find birds of their feather.
** Seriously you have lost the plot here, didn't you?
Nevertheless, recruiter's job is plain grind. It has its own challenges. Sometimes candidates give least regard to recruiters. They do not turn up for interview. Selected candidates do not turn up for job. Plus there is pressure for closure for 'x' number of positions.
*** Do you think a Neuro-surgeon's job is more exciting. He drills into the same kind of skulls everyday for a living. The pareto rule applies every where. Besides the trainer gives out the same verbal diarrhea for every other session he takes.
I have given my observations. However, my boldness should not be construed as boorishness
*** I am sure these are your observations without bothering to look for the facts around you. Ineffective training also includes the one without researching.
The other factors for women are marriage and going family way. But then these are universal and recruiters only cannot be singled out.
** Why make a point then ?
Initially I thought of not writing to avoid an exchange, however I thought I won't be fair to those young impressionable lassies reading such a disparaging write-up about their profession they intend to take. This is a serious profession and a serious job for people who want to make a career. Well let's admit the fairer sex has a genetic advantage of better communication skills over males. They do get a head start and could hit the ground running, however it takes a lot more than genetic advantage to reach the finish line.
So in conclusion, your observations about the recruiter tribe is simply a product of ill-researched facts. Alas ! Damn me for being a man, I only wish I had better communication skills to convince you.
Therefore, I await for your bold or boorish comments alike.
Cheers,
Saj
From India, Bangalore
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