Dear All,
I agreed with Mr. Dharmesh Comments if she got illegal pregnancy who he is not working in the same organization please do not terminate her. if it is spread the organization please ask her permission to do exit formalities. if she got pregnancy with co-employee or same organization employee please terminate both of them .
From India, Hyderabad
169I agreed with Mr. Dharmesh Comments if she got illegal pregnancy who he is not working in the same organization please do not terminate her. if it is spread the organization please ask her permission to do exit formalities. if she got pregnancy with co-employee or same organization employee please terminate both of them .
From India, Hyderabad
Hello Pinky,
Your lines "Termination shall be out of the question, and will let her leave the company with a dignity on and will let her find another job and consider her case close. I proposed also to the management to terminate instead my co-HOD who had caused the same" are indeed VERY profound & apply to this situation quite well.
It's not an issue of 'whether it's a consensual act or not'--the issue is one of Equal liability & responsibility for the consequence(s) thereof.
And more so when the male in question happens to be in the same organization & @ a higher position/level.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Your lines "Termination shall be out of the question, and will let her leave the company with a dignity on and will let her find another job and consider her case close. I proposed also to the management to terminate instead my co-HOD who had caused the same" are indeed VERY profound & apply to this situation quite well.
It's not an issue of 'whether it's a consensual act or not'--the issue is one of Equal liability & responsibility for the consequence(s) thereof.
And more so when the male in question happens to be in the same organization & @ a higher position/level.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
It is sad that we take saintly position only in case of a woman. I wish to know, did she get pregnant on her own or did she have a male partner? What action is the organization contemplating against that individual? Second aspect to the whole episode is, Was it consensual sex or coerced ? To punish a woman without going through the facts is preposterous
Munshi
From India, Delhi
Munshi
From India, Delhi
PAST IS PAST now and pls let her continue to offer her services. It was a mistake comitted under the influence of DEVIL which is most common in youngsters. Let her start a new life and i am sure she will never repeat such mistake in future. She will realize what takes a woman to become a mother. I feel she is still immature personality.
The ruler of DUBAI had setup both A BAR & MOSQUE. Its upto the individuals to chose. Humans are born to make mistakes but she alone cannot be taken for long ride as one needs two hands to clap. What about her campanion. Why his company is not taking similar action against him because he is equally involved in that incident. Why one law for females and another law for male.
We must learn to FORGIVE and support others to RECTIFY THEIR OWN MISTAKES.
With profound regards
From India, Chennai
The ruler of DUBAI had setup both A BAR & MOSQUE. Its upto the individuals to chose. Humans are born to make mistakes but she alone cannot be taken for long ride as one needs two hands to clap. What about her campanion. Why his company is not taking similar action against him because he is equally involved in that incident. Why one law for females and another law for male.
We must learn to FORGIVE and support others to RECTIFY THEIR OWN MISTAKES.
With profound regards
From India, Chennai
Law of the land applies. Each country has a different law. Thank God it happened in Saudi. Just imagine if it would have happened in Saudi, she would have been stoned to death. The HR person who brought this up has responded with lot of sensitivity towards the dignity of the lady in question. Really appreciate that
From Indonesia, Jakarta
From Indonesia, Jakarta
Sorry for a typo error in the previous post. I meant thank God that it happened in UAE, where the law of the land stipulates that the person cannot be employed when she gets pregnant out of wedlock. If only it would have happened in Saudi Arabia, she would have been stoned to death.
Sitting in India, we cannot expect our laws to be applied in other countries. UAE has its own law and if a person accepts a job there, it is implied that the person agrees to abide by the law. Any violation of the law would attract appropriate punishment. And Pinky has been sensitive enough to state that she is endeavouring to make the exit smooth and maintain the dignity of the lady concerned, which itself could be a challenge. Really appreciate her for that.
From Indonesia, Jakarta
Sitting in India, we cannot expect our laws to be applied in other countries. UAE has its own law and if a person accepts a job there, it is implied that the person agrees to abide by the law. Any violation of the law would attract appropriate punishment. And Pinky has been sensitive enough to state that she is endeavouring to make the exit smooth and maintain the dignity of the lady concerned, which itself could be a challenge. Really appreciate her for that.
From Indonesia, Jakarta
actually there is no provision for termination on such pregnancy an abortion.she has punished her self by doing abortion and now doing her job..A lady must be protected from such coercive steps of the management.it is her decision leave the job on her moral calls.if we know the person who has used her should be prosecuted.
satish Verma, Nashik
From India, Nasik
satish Verma, Nashik
From India, Nasik
Hi, I was in Doha as Manager - HR. You should be care full when you make such comment. It is not India to talk any thing and get away from it. Don't unnecessarily put your noose into it. There is a law of land which your owner is aware. It is highly sensitive. Better to bury rather then go public. Women is always victim of circumstances, and don't be harsh with your decision. In Dubai these may be happening without much light. As HR head, ask your Owner to deal with utmost care and lightly.
Bye
From India, Bangalore
Bye
From India, Bangalore
I dont know the term "illegal pregnancy". As per UAE law abortion not permitted. Police will take action and the lady will definitely get a permanent entry restriction in UAE (Especially if she is unmarried and found pregnant).
From United Arab Emirates, Dubai
From United Arab Emirates, Dubai
dear mr Pinky,
It all depends on your internal rules, standing orders and applicable laws to employees in saudi. In India, atleast for such a conduct, we cannot punish an employee since it has got nothing to do with her employment. However, if it is considered a crime in saudi, and if indulging in any crime is covered in the service rules or appointment letter applicable to her, then you can follow the course of action laid down as per those rules, if it warrants an enquiry, then same should be done, if it calls for immediate dismissal, then it can be resorted to, not otherwise.
From India, Pune
It all depends on your internal rules, standing orders and applicable laws to employees in saudi. In India, atleast for such a conduct, we cannot punish an employee since it has got nothing to do with her employment. However, if it is considered a crime in saudi, and if indulging in any crime is covered in the service rules or appointment letter applicable to her, then you can follow the course of action laid down as per those rules, if it warrants an enquiry, then same should be done, if it calls for immediate dismissal, then it can be resorted to, not otherwise.
From India, Pune
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