Dear Mr Yogesh,
Whether to continue in Army or quit it is your personal decision. Nevertheless, I found following merits and demerits of defence officers:
Merits: - mentioned already by other members. What is not mentioned is that most of them walk the talk. This is biggest binding factor for the juniors. Good writing skills. Ability to create process if it is not there.
Demerits: -
(a) Biggest problem is lack of commercial thinking or commercial sense
(b) Driven by rules than results. Officers are unable to create measures of performance for their staff. 99% officers get caught in the nitty-gritty and do not visualise larger picture.
(c) Unable to motivate staffs. At times their mouth is "Weapon of mass destruction".
(d) They are super yes-men and expect same to be from their juniors.
(e) Never ever take feedback from juniors and show willingness to change their behaviour.
Since your asked for feedback, I have given it honestly. I have watched at 10 officers closely. The above feedback is based on watching their administration style.
All the best!
Dinesh V Divekar
Freelance Soft Skill & Behavioural Trainer
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From India, Bangalore
7879Whether to continue in Army or quit it is your personal decision. Nevertheless, I found following merits and demerits of defence officers:
Merits: - mentioned already by other members. What is not mentioned is that most of them walk the talk. This is biggest binding factor for the juniors. Good writing skills. Ability to create process if it is not there.
Demerits: -
(a) Biggest problem is lack of commercial thinking or commercial sense
(b) Driven by rules than results. Officers are unable to create measures of performance for their staff. 99% officers get caught in the nitty-gritty and do not visualise larger picture.
(c) Unable to motivate staffs. At times their mouth is "Weapon of mass destruction".
(d) They are super yes-men and expect same to be from their juniors.
(e) Never ever take feedback from juniors and show willingness to change their behaviour.
Since your asked for feedback, I have given it honestly. I have watched at 10 officers closely. The above feedback is based on watching their administration style.
All the best!
Dinesh V Divekar
Freelance Soft Skill & Behavioural Trainer
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From India, Bangalore
Hi Yogesh, We are a Media Organisation in delhi and looking for Army retired officers for the admin role in our office, can you suggest somebody???? Regards, Poonam
From India, Delhi
From India, Delhi
Hi Poonam,
I am a serving Army Officer, just finished ONE YEAR EXECUTIVE GENERAL MANAGEMENT PROGRAMME from IIM BANGLORE. I am neither tired nor retired , still nine more years to go. I have done PGDIB from SIMS PUNE before IIM PROGRAMME , so as on now I find myself fully geared up to join any good opening, honestly, still there is so much to learn . I have reasonably good marketing /financial /HR/Trg skills which can be really useful in any organisation. My mail link is -
Col Virendra
I am a serving Army Officer, just finished ONE YEAR EXECUTIVE GENERAL MANAGEMENT PROGRAMME from IIM BANGLORE. I am neither tired nor retired , still nine more years to go. I have done PGDIB from SIMS PUNE before IIM PROGRAMME , so as on now I find myself fully geared up to join any good opening, honestly, still there is so much to learn . I have reasonably good marketing /financial /HR/Trg skills which can be really useful in any organisation. My mail link is -
Col Virendra
Dear Dinesh and all HR friends,
Thanks for your feedback on ex service officers working in corporate, there is no doubt that we need to unlearn and learn certain important aspects of corporate functioning. In fact commercial sense can be developed with the help of study of financial management and economics up to certain extent. One should understand that corporate is there for profit and revenue generation is the key to it. Motivating subordinates comes very naturally to us, probably rules of the games are different in corporate, it wont really be very difficult, some hands on knowledge and some refreshing of org behaviour should be able to help. Another interesting point is BEING THE YES MAN. Well, lot of people have got different perceptions about Army way of functioning, things are changing everywhere including corporate. YES MAN have been doing very well till now everywhere, if they do not do well we will have a limited supply of this variety. Basic point which DINESH AND HR FREINDS have rightly brought out is that we should be ready to change and be prepared to learn . Thanks for your honest feedback, we reall y look forward tofurther interaction.
Col Virendra
Thanks for your feedback on ex service officers working in corporate, there is no doubt that we need to unlearn and learn certain important aspects of corporate functioning. In fact commercial sense can be developed with the help of study of financial management and economics up to certain extent. One should understand that corporate is there for profit and revenue generation is the key to it. Motivating subordinates comes very naturally to us, probably rules of the games are different in corporate, it wont really be very difficult, some hands on knowledge and some refreshing of org behaviour should be able to help. Another interesting point is BEING THE YES MAN. Well, lot of people have got different perceptions about Army way of functioning, things are changing everywhere including corporate. YES MAN have been doing very well till now everywhere, if they do not do well we will have a limited supply of this variety. Basic point which DINESH AND HR FREINDS have rightly brought out is that we should be ready to change and be prepared to learn . Thanks for your honest feedback, we reall y look forward tofurther interaction.
Col Virendra
Hi Sir,
I have been manning the HR dept since last 2.5 yrs after hanging my uniform (I was SSC Officer and opted out). I was looking after purchase dept at previous Company and the Management too acknowledged hard work put in by me. But the raise given to me was not what I expected, so I left it.
In next Job, there are incompetent people who don't even know ABC of their depts working as VP's.
Being from Forces, "YES" we are demanding, commanding and we follow the simple principle "THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY OF WORKING...............AND THATS THE RIGHT WAY", civil is opposite.................maximum people are in blaming game.
MORAL OF THE STORY: It is TOO EASY TO BECOME A FAUJI (on fifteenth day of Training you get converted from civilian to a Fauji) BUT........Too DIFFICULT TO BECOME A CIVILIAN AGAIN (rather impossible)!!!
From India
I have been manning the HR dept since last 2.5 yrs after hanging my uniform (I was SSC Officer and opted out). I was looking after purchase dept at previous Company and the Management too acknowledged hard work put in by me. But the raise given to me was not what I expected, so I left it.
In next Job, there are incompetent people who don't even know ABC of their depts working as VP's.
Being from Forces, "YES" we are demanding, commanding and we follow the simple principle "THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY OF WORKING...............AND THATS THE RIGHT WAY", civil is opposite.................maximum people are in blaming game.
MORAL OF THE STORY: It is TOO EASY TO BECOME A FAUJI (on fifteenth day of Training you get converted from civilian to a Fauji) BUT........Too DIFFICULT TO BECOME A CIVILIAN AGAIN (rather impossible)!!!
From India
Dear Poonam,
1. Please refer your requirement of Admin Manager Media Organisation at Delhi. I wish to submit my résumé for kind consideration to the said Position.
2. I have over 12 yrs of experience in HR/Admin management and I am having working knowledge on SAP (HR). Presently I am handling the Human Resources & Administration at a Chemical Plant (100% Export Unit) located at Derabassi, Punjab. The Plant is spread out in an area of about 50 acres and has strength of over 700 employees. 3. Please don’t hesitate to contact me to discuss my background in relation to your needs. I look forward to hear from you. I wish to forward my updated Profile for your perusal.
Yours truly,
Rajesh
+91-98156-48582
+91-172-4648582
From India
1. Please refer your requirement of Admin Manager Media Organisation at Delhi. I wish to submit my résumé for kind consideration to the said Position.
2. I have over 12 yrs of experience in HR/Admin management and I am having working knowledge on SAP (HR). Presently I am handling the Human Resources & Administration at a Chemical Plant (100% Export Unit) located at Derabassi, Punjab. The Plant is spread out in an area of about 50 acres and has strength of over 700 employees. 3. Please don’t hesitate to contact me to discuss my background in relation to your needs. I look forward to hear from you. I wish to forward my updated Profile for your perusal.
Yours truly,
Rajesh
+91-98156-48582
+91-172-4648582
From India
I dont agree with u here, lonegunner! The values that we have imbibed are still very much in demand, and moreso lately, when the Corporate Bosses are reconciling to the demerits of hiring mere 'bright guys' who have no scruples/values and dont think about the contribution and investment made by their company on them.
Hang on tight, you'll find your place in the sun, I assure you!
From India, Delhi
Hang on tight, you'll find your place in the sun, I assure you!
From India, Delhi
Dear Lonegunner,
First of all, you are not alone we all are with you that includes HRfriends too. Secondly we all should realise that competent and incompetent people exist all over. Again ,it is a subjective assessment.I dont have any doubt that sooner or later hardwork and comptence will pay .Result orientation in corporate and services is same, in our case it may be even at the cost of life. If we can have the same orientation , nobody can stop us from reaching to top management level. We should realise that corporate has learnt a lot from services , remember, that osmosis will always take place and thats how knowledge grows.
Thanks and regards,
Col Virendra
First of all, you are not alone we all are with you that includes HRfriends too. Secondly we all should realise that competent and incompetent people exist all over. Again ,it is a subjective assessment.I dont have any doubt that sooner or later hardwork and comptence will pay .Result orientation in corporate and services is same, in our case it may be even at the cost of life. If we can have the same orientation , nobody can stop us from reaching to top management level. We should realise that corporate has learnt a lot from services , remember, that osmosis will always take place and thats how knowledge grows.
Thanks and regards,
Col Virendra
Dear officer,
HR is purely a common sense subject, no need to worry about anything. Every professional acts like a HR person at any point in a day, just dive into the HR pool, and start swimming, i am very happy about your pre-planning, this will lead to greater mileage. Get yourself associated to HR network, wherein you can pick up the actual HR flavour apart from books, BOOKS WILL NOT HELP YOU, certificates can be used as stamps to send your CVs to corporate. To my little knowledge I have got all that i wanted from citeHR site, understand these concepts, and try using it in your office as and when suitable. Nothing much, :icon10:, i am sure you will be able to fly out in colors. You will get any detail from GOOGLE, believe me, try it out.
Rest, luck. You need to develop your network to be successful HR professional.
My best wishes, lets see a new HR stud sooner.
Bye,
senthilkumar
From India, Madras
HR is purely a common sense subject, no need to worry about anything. Every professional acts like a HR person at any point in a day, just dive into the HR pool, and start swimming, i am very happy about your pre-planning, this will lead to greater mileage. Get yourself associated to HR network, wherein you can pick up the actual HR flavour apart from books, BOOKS WILL NOT HELP YOU, certificates can be used as stamps to send your CVs to corporate. To my little knowledge I have got all that i wanted from citeHR site, understand these concepts, and try using it in your office as and when suitable. Nothing much, :icon10:, i am sure you will be able to fly out in colors. You will get any detail from GOOGLE, believe me, try it out.
Rest, luck. You need to develop your network to be successful HR professional.
My best wishes, lets see a new HR stud sooner.
Bye,
senthilkumar
From India, Madras
Here is an extract of an article in Mint dated 09 Jun08: -
" In your opinion, what are some of the positive traits of leaders from the armed forces who have entered business, and what are some of the challenges they face?
—Mark McGrath, Columbus, Ohio
Positives first, because they’re so plentiful, and one of us (Jack) has hired several thousand junior military officers (JMOs) over the years.
The list starts with whip-smart and tenacious. Next, most military officers possess can-do, upbeat attitudes.
Moreover, the vast majority demonstrate the too-rare quality of edge; they can make yes-or-no decisions without muddling. Their people skills are likewise superb; they tend to be great at motivation and team building. And finally, and of special note to global companies, JMOs will move anywhere. Your toughest location might be better than the best outpost they’ve endured.
The challenges: Too many JMOs can’t seem to get the military’s necessary bureaucracy out of their systems and, as a result, they embrace rules and regulations that slow them down.
Second and last, some officers lack visionary thinking. They may have risked their lives in the military, but some JMOs seem less inclined to take risks in business. On balance, though, there is no balance. The positives win this debate hands down."
From India, Delhi
" In your opinion, what are some of the positive traits of leaders from the armed forces who have entered business, and what are some of the challenges they face?
—Mark McGrath, Columbus, Ohio
Positives first, because they’re so plentiful, and one of us (Jack) has hired several thousand junior military officers (JMOs) over the years.
The list starts with whip-smart and tenacious. Next, most military officers possess can-do, upbeat attitudes.
Moreover, the vast majority demonstrate the too-rare quality of edge; they can make yes-or-no decisions without muddling. Their people skills are likewise superb; they tend to be great at motivation and team building. And finally, and of special note to global companies, JMOs will move anywhere. Your toughest location might be better than the best outpost they’ve endured.
The challenges: Too many JMOs can’t seem to get the military’s necessary bureaucracy out of their systems and, as a result, they embrace rules and regulations that slow them down.
Second and last, some officers lack visionary thinking. They may have risked their lives in the military, but some JMOs seem less inclined to take risks in business. On balance, though, there is no balance. The positives win this debate hands down."
From India, Delhi
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