Hi Captain,
This topic has received a lot of responses all directing towards the same way. I agree to all of them with different opinions. I would like to say that the argument between book worms and street smatrt personnel ahs been an age old topic. But time and again street smart executives have always proven to be more efficient than the book worms. There a lot of really brilliant and talented MBA's that pass out of some of the best colleges in our country and on the other hand that are some that do the same MBA but while on the job do not succeed to succesfully make an efficient and practical financial year budget. Ponder over this and it may make sense that what you stated is very ambiguous and you cannot generalise.
Cheers!
From India, Hyderabad
This topic has received a lot of responses all directing towards the same way. I agree to all of them with different opinions. I would like to say that the argument between book worms and street smatrt personnel ahs been an age old topic. But time and again street smart executives have always proven to be more efficient than the book worms. There a lot of really brilliant and talented MBA's that pass out of some of the best colleges in our country and on the other hand that are some that do the same MBA but while on the job do not succeed to succesfully make an efficient and practical financial year budget. Ponder over this and it may make sense that what you stated is very ambiguous and you cannot generalise.
Cheers!
From India, Hyderabad
Mr Cook
All i have to say is stop cooking these stories and do not prejudge anyone.
it is important for you to understand that you are on a public forum and your comments are about our country.
Your no knowledge in the matter also displays your level of thinking. please get into details it is people who do wrong things not the Country on whole
Like your country cannot be blamed for the presumptions you are making about our country.
Sapna Agrawal
From India, Jaipur
All i have to say is stop cooking these stories and do not prejudge anyone.
it is important for you to understand that you are on a public forum and your comments are about our country.
Your no knowledge in the matter also displays your level of thinking. please get into details it is people who do wrong things not the Country on whole
Like your country cannot be blamed for the presumptions you are making about our country.
Sapna Agrawal
From India, Jaipur
Mr. Captain Cook, Just because of few dirty fish you can not blame the whole pond. There are few immoral citizen in every country just because of them how can you blame the whole nation?
You have got a wrong picture of INDIA I think you really need to know about real India so read on:
Some interesting facts about India
* The number of companies listed on the Bombay Stock Exchange, at
more than 6,000, is second only to NYSE.
* Four out of 10 Silicon Valley startups are run by Indians.
* With 800 movies per year, India's film industry overshadows Hollywood.
* The organized lottery market in India is US$7bn (2% of GDP).
* India consumes a fifth of the world's gold output.
* Indians account for 45% of H1-B visas issued by the US every year.
* Growing at 6%, in 25 years Indian GDP (on a PPP basis) will be at
the same level the US is at today.
* Seven Indian ladies have won Miss Universe/Miss World titles over the
past 12 years. No other country has won more than twice.
* Bank deposits in India roughly equal 50% of its GDP OE again,among
the highest in the world.
* Indian Railways is the largest railway network in the world under
single management.
* India has the third-largest army in the world, nearly 1.5 million strong.
* India is the largest producer and consumer of tea in the world,
accounting for more than 30% of global production and 25% of consumption.
* India is the world's premier center for diamond cutting and polishing.
Nine out of every 10 stones sold in the world pass through India.
* India has the highest number of annual bulk drugs filings (77) with USFDA.
* India is home to the largest number of pharmaceutical plants (61)
approved by USFDA outside the US.
* India's Hero Honda is the world's largest motorcycle manufacturer,
with 2002 production of 1.7m units.
* Other than US and Japan, India is the only country to have built a
super computer indigenously.
* Indian Railways is the largest employer in the world, with a staff
of 1.6 million people.
* It is the second-largest cement-producing country in the world,
producing more than 110m tonnes.
* Of the Fortune 500 companies, 270 outsource their software-related
work to India.
* There are 8,500 Indian restaurants in the UK, 15% of the country's
total dining-out establishments.
* India is the largest democracy in the world, with nearly 400m voting
in the last national elections.
* India has the second-largest pool of scientists and engineers in the world.
* India has the third-largest investor base in the world.
* According to the Gemological Institute of America, up until 1896,
India was the only source of diamonds.
* The Kumbh Mela festival, held every 12 years in the city of Allahabad,
attracts 25 million people OE more than the population of 185
of the 227 countries in the world.
* The Indian city of Varanasi, also known as Benares, is the oldest,
continuously inhabited city in the world today.
* There are 3.22 million Indians in the US.
* Indians are the richest immigrant class in the US, with nearly 200,000 millionaires.
* India is ranked the sixth country in the world in terms of satellite launches.
* There are over 70,000 bank branches in India - among the highest in the world.
I LOVE MY INDIA.....
From India, Mumbai
39You have got a wrong picture of INDIA I think you really need to know about real India so read on:
Some interesting facts about India
* The number of companies listed on the Bombay Stock Exchange, at
more than 6,000, is second only to NYSE.
* Four out of 10 Silicon Valley startups are run by Indians.
* With 800 movies per year, India's film industry overshadows Hollywood.
* The organized lottery market in India is US$7bn (2% of GDP).
* India consumes a fifth of the world's gold output.
* Indians account for 45% of H1-B visas issued by the US every year.
* Growing at 6%, in 25 years Indian GDP (on a PPP basis) will be at
the same level the US is at today.
* Seven Indian ladies have won Miss Universe/Miss World titles over the
past 12 years. No other country has won more than twice.
* Bank deposits in India roughly equal 50% of its GDP OE again,among
the highest in the world.
* Indian Railways is the largest railway network in the world under
single management.
* India has the third-largest army in the world, nearly 1.5 million strong.
* India is the largest producer and consumer of tea in the world,
accounting for more than 30% of global production and 25% of consumption.
* India is the world's premier center for diamond cutting and polishing.
Nine out of every 10 stones sold in the world pass through India.
* India has the highest number of annual bulk drugs filings (77) with USFDA.
* India is home to the largest number of pharmaceutical plants (61)
approved by USFDA outside the US.
* India's Hero Honda is the world's largest motorcycle manufacturer,
with 2002 production of 1.7m units.
* Other than US and Japan, India is the only country to have built a
super computer indigenously.
* Indian Railways is the largest employer in the world, with a staff
of 1.6 million people.
* It is the second-largest cement-producing country in the world,
producing more than 110m tonnes.
* Of the Fortune 500 companies, 270 outsource their software-related
work to India.
* There are 8,500 Indian restaurants in the UK, 15% of the country's
total dining-out establishments.
* India is the largest democracy in the world, with nearly 400m voting
in the last national elections.
* India has the second-largest pool of scientists and engineers in the world.
* India has the third-largest investor base in the world.
* According to the Gemological Institute of America, up until 1896,
India was the only source of diamonds.
* The Kumbh Mela festival, held every 12 years in the city of Allahabad,
attracts 25 million people OE more than the population of 185
of the 227 countries in the world.
* The Indian city of Varanasi, also known as Benares, is the oldest,
continuously inhabited city in the world today.
* There are 3.22 million Indians in the US.
* Indians are the richest immigrant class in the US, with nearly 200,000 millionaires.
* India is ranked the sixth country in the world in terms of satellite launches.
* There are over 70,000 bank branches in India - among the highest in the world.
I LOVE MY INDIA.....
From India, Mumbai
QUOTES ABOUT INDIA:
Albert Einstein said: We owe a lot to the
Indians, who taught us how to count, without
which no worthwhile scientific discovery could
have been made.
Mark Twain said: India is the cradle of the
human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother
of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great
grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most
structive materials in the history of man are treasured
up in India only.
French scholar Romain Rolland said: If there is
one place on the face of earth where all
the dreams of living men have found a home from
the very earliest days when man began the dream
of existence, it is India.
Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA said:
India conquered And dominated China culturally
for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single
soldier across her border.
From India, Mumbai
Albert Einstein said: We owe a lot to the
Indians, who taught us how to count, without
which no worthwhile scientific discovery could
have been made.
Mark Twain said: India is the cradle of the
human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother
of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great
grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most
structive materials in the history of man are treasured
up in India only.
French scholar Romain Rolland said: If there is
one place on the face of earth where all
the dreams of living men have found a home from
the very earliest days when man began the dream
of existence, it is India.
Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA said:
India conquered And dominated China culturally
for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single
soldier across her border.
From India, Mumbai
Friends, thanks once again for somany responses. I appreciate your concern of my misunderstanding of Indians working abroad.
Actually, What people I met from India working in Specially middle east is totally different from what your understanding is all about them. People whom I met in middle east are purely nothing to do with any qualifications but they are economic migrant workforce and when they find scaresity of qualified doctors and engineers I found they import some relevent technicians from medical compounders as doctors to place them into Hospital as Doctors with fake Certificates. One among them I have seen cought and deported to India and I saw he was again caught in India for same offence. Here in Middle East many recruiting agencies are operated by kerlayte people they just push their people even technicians or socalled "Mistry" been projected as Engineers on the basis of fake Certificates. Basically, these certificates are useless because for work permit or "Iqma" these people are got recruited in place of vacant shortage of skills approved by the government for particular company.
THerefore even if he is doctor he is issued work permit for driver or messon, some engineers working on work permit of electrcians because company has already some one else on engineer work permit alloted quota.
There fore its shortage of manpower in the middle east as well as unwillingness of Arabs to work on such positions or proper education people are hired from all over the world including India, Philipine, Pakistan, Srilanka and Bangaladesh. But most of them are duplicate people working on their brothers certification who is employed in India with government etc etc....
Captaincook
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
Actually, What people I met from India working in Specially middle east is totally different from what your understanding is all about them. People whom I met in middle east are purely nothing to do with any qualifications but they are economic migrant workforce and when they find scaresity of qualified doctors and engineers I found they import some relevent technicians from medical compounders as doctors to place them into Hospital as Doctors with fake Certificates. One among them I have seen cought and deported to India and I saw he was again caught in India for same offence. Here in Middle East many recruiting agencies are operated by kerlayte people they just push their people even technicians or socalled "Mistry" been projected as Engineers on the basis of fake Certificates. Basically, these certificates are useless because for work permit or "Iqma" these people are got recruited in place of vacant shortage of skills approved by the government for particular company.
THerefore even if he is doctor he is issued work permit for driver or messon, some engineers working on work permit of electrcians because company has already some one else on engineer work permit alloted quota.
There fore its shortage of manpower in the middle east as well as unwillingness of Arabs to work on such positions or proper education people are hired from all over the world including India, Philipine, Pakistan, Srilanka and Bangaladesh. But most of them are duplicate people working on their brothers certification who is employed in India with government etc etc....
Captaincook
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
Hi, Mr. Captain-cook
If you are doing any study upon India and its people, better get deep into its facts & realities and not upon the phony statements and comments of some Tom, Dick or Harry.
If you really peer into this country you may hit upon the most Qualified and Skilled personalities than in any part of the world.
As of Dubai progress the real brains behind are of the Indians who have taught them the way to utilize their economy.
The patients flowing in from other countries for treatments are with whole hearted faith and buoyancy they have in Indian doctors rather than the wealthy and expensive hospitals and treatments offered in other part of the world.
The towering amount of Indian Engineers and Doctors all over the world are well compete enough to challenge the world with their propitious skill which the world has already witnessed.
Consequently, we do not feel that any one would be tolerable to toss or hurl any unconstructive comment staying on the foundation of indistinct and blurred information’s.
From Nigeria, Abuja
If you are doing any study upon India and its people, better get deep into its facts & realities and not upon the phony statements and comments of some Tom, Dick or Harry.
If you really peer into this country you may hit upon the most Qualified and Skilled personalities than in any part of the world.
As of Dubai progress the real brains behind are of the Indians who have taught them the way to utilize their economy.
The patients flowing in from other countries for treatments are with whole hearted faith and buoyancy they have in Indian doctors rather than the wealthy and expensive hospitals and treatments offered in other part of the world.
The towering amount of Indian Engineers and Doctors all over the world are well compete enough to challenge the world with their propitious skill which the world has already witnessed.
Consequently, we do not feel that any one would be tolerable to toss or hurl any unconstructive comment staying on the foundation of indistinct and blurred information’s.
From Nigeria, Abuja
Hello Captain,
Reading your posts, it just struck me, may be there is truth in what you are saying because despite the outbursts by so many you still stick to your line.
If what you are saying is true, then I should say that Dubai is the best place to get a job with fake degree's and certificates. Doesn't your Govt have some verification process. Dont you guys take some tests or interviews before you employ people. Instead of blaming the people who come and join you, I think you should look for answers within and ask the Govt to have stringent standards for selection.
Besides give a thought to what Mr Madhu said regarding the workforce in Kerala who are educated but unemployed and for economic reasons are ready to go and do blue collar work there and gradually move up to the right kind of work commensurating to their qualifications.
Regards
Colonel Sajan....BTW this colonel is not a fake but your Captain could be!!
From India, Hyderabad
Reading your posts, it just struck me, may be there is truth in what you are saying because despite the outbursts by so many you still stick to your line.
If what you are saying is true, then I should say that Dubai is the best place to get a job with fake degree's and certificates. Doesn't your Govt have some verification process. Dont you guys take some tests or interviews before you employ people. Instead of blaming the people who come and join you, I think you should look for answers within and ask the Govt to have stringent standards for selection.
Besides give a thought to what Mr Madhu said regarding the workforce in Kerala who are educated but unemployed and for economic reasons are ready to go and do blue collar work there and gradually move up to the right kind of work commensurating to their qualifications.
Regards
Colonel Sajan....BTW this colonel is not a fake but your Captain could be!!
From India, Hyderabad
Hi,
Sorry in my last post the word should have read as commensurate and not commensurating.
Another thought regarding degrees. While degrees are neccessary they are not essential in doing well in life in certain professions. Bill Gates did not have a degree when he founded MS. Neither do the dubbawallahs of Mumbai have any degree, yet they have 6 Sigma certification. Your neighbourhood veggie seller can teach us about Customer Service / Relationship Management better than a prof on the subject.
So it is not surprising to see enterprising people starting as drivers and ending up as managers of a transport company. Do they really need a degree. I think they would do better than most MBA's based on their sheer hands on experience. But yes, for a profession like medicine, we do need qualified people.
Your take now Captain.
Sajan
From India, Hyderabad
Sorry in my last post the word should have read as commensurate and not commensurating.
Another thought regarding degrees. While degrees are neccessary they are not essential in doing well in life in certain professions. Bill Gates did not have a degree when he founded MS. Neither do the dubbawallahs of Mumbai have any degree, yet they have 6 Sigma certification. Your neighbourhood veggie seller can teach us about Customer Service / Relationship Management better than a prof on the subject.
So it is not surprising to see enterprising people starting as drivers and ending up as managers of a transport company. Do they really need a degree. I think they would do better than most MBA's based on their sheer hands on experience. But yes, for a profession like medicine, we do need qualified people.
Your take now Captain.
Sajan
From India, Hyderabad
Even to get into a small company in India candidates need to go through a vigorous background check and any discrepancy in the same the candidate will not be offered. It is very surprising that if a candidate with fake certificates cannot get into an Indian company, he can easily to go to Middle East( know for strict laws and implementation) get a work permit and work.
Mr. Cook before blaming others try to get your country's laws in place.
Don’t blame the thief that he robbed you blame yourself for being careless.
Mr. Cook before blaming others try to get your country's laws in place.
Don’t blame the thief that he robbed you blame yourself for being careless.
Thanks gentleman for your feedback.
I am not Middle Eastern but its our general impression when we see Crooks arround in middle east we thought its trend here in 3rd world countries to due to lack of knowhow and intellectual capital people do any job without proper qualifications.
Actually, for work permits in middle east no qualification been varified or authenticity been counter checked at any point of time and organizations here been granted employment visa to engaged employee in skills shortage jobs listed by the labour department. SO recruitment agencies cameoflauged candidates with fake identity and certification because what matters is only entry to UAE or middle eastern countries and subsequent work permit as messon, drivers, labourers, operators etc which is totally manipulated and even highly qualified people such as engineers, doctors working on technicians and electricians work permit becasue doctors or engineers work permit used by some one else may be driver or operators using that quota of particular organization. If I am employer I can recruit people with fake organization registration. Many local Arabs areselling these visas to the people or agents to further sale to migrant workforce from India, bangladesh, pakistan who spend over 200,000 to 300,000 for migration and work permit to work here and they work here as barber for over 7 to 8 years to recover these spendings on buying visa permit from Arabs.
I am not abuse anyone but to share truth, I can say if poor fraud people can mirgate why not Genuine people can migrate and earn more money instead of fraud people.
Warm regards
Captain
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
I am not Middle Eastern but its our general impression when we see Crooks arround in middle east we thought its trend here in 3rd world countries to due to lack of knowhow and intellectual capital people do any job without proper qualifications.
Actually, for work permits in middle east no qualification been varified or authenticity been counter checked at any point of time and organizations here been granted employment visa to engaged employee in skills shortage jobs listed by the labour department. SO recruitment agencies cameoflauged candidates with fake identity and certification because what matters is only entry to UAE or middle eastern countries and subsequent work permit as messon, drivers, labourers, operators etc which is totally manipulated and even highly qualified people such as engineers, doctors working on technicians and electricians work permit becasue doctors or engineers work permit used by some one else may be driver or operators using that quota of particular organization. If I am employer I can recruit people with fake organization registration. Many local Arabs areselling these visas to the people or agents to further sale to migrant workforce from India, bangladesh, pakistan who spend over 200,000 to 300,000 for migration and work permit to work here and they work here as barber for over 7 to 8 years to recover these spendings on buying visa permit from Arabs.
I am not abuse anyone but to share truth, I can say if poor fraud people can mirgate why not Genuine people can migrate and earn more money instead of fraud people.
Warm regards
Captain
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
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