I totally agree with Dr. Ji regarding the causes for lack of popularity of creative visualization in India. What is really shocking is that if we trace the origin of creative visualization it can be seen that it originated very much in India & thus it is even more surprising that very few Indians know about it. It is people from the west who have come here learnt it from us & have gone abroad & popularized it.
Why is it that we most of the time get to hear things about our culture from the west. Other people see more value in what we have rather than us. The west seems to be learning a lot from us while what we do is just ape the west ...... its very ironic !
Please share your view on this idiosyncratic view of life that we seem to have acquired somewhere along the way..... things are changing but at a very slow pace.
Regards,
Noor
PS: Dr. Ji Shakti Gwains book that you recommended is fabulous.
From India, Bangalore
Why is it that we most of the time get to hear things about our culture from the west. Other people see more value in what we have rather than us. The west seems to be learning a lot from us while what we do is just ape the west ...... its very ironic !
Please share your view on this idiosyncratic view of life that we seem to have acquired somewhere along the way..... things are changing but at a very slow pace.
Regards,
Noor
PS: Dr. Ji Shakti Gwains book that you recommended is fabulous.
From India, Bangalore
Dear Jogeshwar,
Really interesting whatever you have written. Thanks for the information.
Can you give some more details, attachement etc. on the topic on my mail :
OR
Regards,
Abhijit
2Really interesting whatever you have written. Thanks for the information.
Can you give some more details, attachement etc. on the topic on my mail :
Regards,
Abhijit
Namaskar Noor ji.
Your agony as reflected in your above note is exactly that of mine. I did not imagine that we would coverge so much.
Soon you will find that west is easternised and east is westernised. What is great of India that it thinks of the welfare of mankind indiscriminately as:
Sarbe bhavantu sukhinah,
Sarbe santu niramayah,
Sarbe bhadrani pashyantu,
Ma kaschit duhkhabhag bhabet.
Translation:
Let all be happy,
Let all be ailment free,
Let all see beauty and
Let none suffer.
Western thoughts got three jolts from the east. First, in 1893 by Swami Vivekananda, Second, by Maharshi Mahesh Yogi in late 1960s and the third, by Dalai Lama in 2005. Unfortunately a great loss of mankind, Swami Vivekanand left this world when he was just 39. Fortunately the latter two are still there born on October 18, 1911 and July 6, 1935 to guide the human sciences(yes,human sciences).
Noor ji! there you and me have our own roles to play. Let us do that.
regards
From India, Delhi
Your agony as reflected in your above note is exactly that of mine. I did not imagine that we would coverge so much.
Soon you will find that west is easternised and east is westernised. What is great of India that it thinks of the welfare of mankind indiscriminately as:
Sarbe bhavantu sukhinah,
Sarbe santu niramayah,
Sarbe bhadrani pashyantu,
Ma kaschit duhkhabhag bhabet.
Translation:
Let all be happy,
Let all be ailment free,
Let all see beauty and
Let none suffer.
Western thoughts got three jolts from the east. First, in 1893 by Swami Vivekananda, Second, by Maharshi Mahesh Yogi in late 1960s and the third, by Dalai Lama in 2005. Unfortunately a great loss of mankind, Swami Vivekanand left this world when he was just 39. Fortunately the latter two are still there born on October 18, 1911 and July 6, 1935 to guide the human sciences(yes,human sciences).
Noor ji! there you and me have our own roles to play. Let us do that.
regards
From India, Delhi
Namaskar Abhijit ji.
Thank you for your interest. In the context, let me tell you about one of our Zero Pathology Ganga participant.
We are known to each other for about last 23 years. He is very nice and helpful. He consults and accepts my views. But he is too ambitious and thinks to collect great knowledges. He took up admission in a highly reputed organisation to learn Yoga. He had to rush abot 10 K,M. in the morning, comes back and then hurriedly prepares for office. Suddenly his blood presssure went up, took leave quite a few days and then he left going to that organisation. His blood pressure used to go up intermittently.
Then I pleaded-convert whatever knowledge you have into wisdom first. In the meanwhile, you will go on getting new knowledges. He agreed and he is regular in our Zero Pathology Ganga.
He has done also same thing about his younger brother. He is now admitted into a detoxification centre. 3 months have gone. He will stay there for another 3 months. But what the centre people say that the world over relapse rate is 96%. So now he has decided to put his brother with us.
So my request to you is that please convert your existing knowledge into wisdom firs. On the way you will be getting new knowledges. On creattive visualisation if you have specific question/questions, then you are most welcome to ask.
regards
From India, Delhi
Thank you for your interest. In the context, let me tell you about one of our Zero Pathology Ganga participant.
We are known to each other for about last 23 years. He is very nice and helpful. He consults and accepts my views. But he is too ambitious and thinks to collect great knowledges. He took up admission in a highly reputed organisation to learn Yoga. He had to rush abot 10 K,M. in the morning, comes back and then hurriedly prepares for office. Suddenly his blood presssure went up, took leave quite a few days and then he left going to that organisation. His blood pressure used to go up intermittently.
Then I pleaded-convert whatever knowledge you have into wisdom first. In the meanwhile, you will go on getting new knowledges. He agreed and he is regular in our Zero Pathology Ganga.
He has done also same thing about his younger brother. He is now admitted into a detoxification centre. 3 months have gone. He will stay there for another 3 months. But what the centre people say that the world over relapse rate is 96%. So now he has decided to put his brother with us.
So my request to you is that please convert your existing knowledge into wisdom firs. On the way you will be getting new knowledges. On creattive visualisation if you have specific question/questions, then you are most welcome to ask.
regards
From India, Delhi
Dear friends,
Namaskr
This thread was responded with great excitement. It is true that creative visualisation can change life in desirable direction. But change occurs if some time is spent for it. We have posted exercises. Has any body tried? What are the experiences? What are the problems, if any? Those who could not try-what is the problem in trying and continuing?
regards
From India, Delhi
Namaskr
This thread was responded with great excitement. It is true that creative visualisation can change life in desirable direction. But change occurs if some time is spent for it. We have posted exercises. Has any body tried? What are the experiences? What are the problems, if any? Those who could not try-what is the problem in trying and continuing?
regards
From India, Delhi
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From India, Delhi
1.creative visualization rs175/-
2.reflections in the light rs200/
3.the creative visualisation work book rs200/-
publisher
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j-40, jorbagh lane
New Delhi-110003
From India, Delhi
Dear Dr Mahanta & Noor Fatima,
Am visiting the site after a gap of six days..and this discussion board has really been enriched by your inputs!!
Would like to thank Dr Mahanta for his terrific insight & views...indoubtedly have added value to the thread of discussions...
Allow me to share my views on this:
Know a boy for many years..his remarkable change & adaption to changing world simpl amazes me..he is born with slight deafness yet he has managed to cope with the handicap with aplomb & has emerged a winner in his own ways..since i know the family well..the boy's father had taught him creative visualization...to dream & see it being achieved...its bases on simple philosphy..as whatever the great achievements of world has been till date..has been first visualised by one before materialising the same..
Secondly creative visualisation- sends the strong messages to brain which in turn sensitises the body..now you well recall that in the olden days the sages/rishes use to wear bare minimum clothes while traversing through snow claded places..or take the example of Armstrong the Bicycle Marathon champion who at one couldn't walk..or Sergei Bubka who surpassed the high jump records ..his own records..he used to visualise himself to break the record...
Regards,
Rajat
From India, Pune
Am visiting the site after a gap of six days..and this discussion board has really been enriched by your inputs!!
Would like to thank Dr Mahanta for his terrific insight & views...indoubtedly have added value to the thread of discussions...
Allow me to share my views on this:
Know a boy for many years..his remarkable change & adaption to changing world simpl amazes me..he is born with slight deafness yet he has managed to cope with the handicap with aplomb & has emerged a winner in his own ways..since i know the family well..the boy's father had taught him creative visualization...to dream & see it being achieved...its bases on simple philosphy..as whatever the great achievements of world has been till date..has been first visualised by one before materialising the same..
Secondly creative visualisation- sends the strong messages to brain which in turn sensitises the body..now you well recall that in the olden days the sages/rishes use to wear bare minimum clothes while traversing through snow claded places..or take the example of Armstrong the Bicycle Marathon champion who at one couldn't walk..or Sergei Bubka who surpassed the high jump records ..his own records..he used to visualise himself to break the record...
Regards,
Rajat
From India, Pune
i am absolutely overwhelmed with the response to this article & the interest that everyone has shown.
Dr. Ji many thnx for all your inputs...its amazing how much you know...am truly at a loss of words.
Would love to read about what the others think about this & urging all those who havent tried the exercises to give it a shot...it could make a world of difference in your lives.
Cheers to enriching our lives,
Noor
PS: Rajat looking forward to hearing a lot more from you :)
From India, Bangalore
Dr. Ji many thnx for all your inputs...its amazing how much you know...am truly at a loss of words.
Would love to read about what the others think about this & urging all those who havent tried the exercises to give it a shot...it could make a world of difference in your lives.
Cheers to enriching our lives,
Noor
PS: Rajat looking forward to hearing a lot more from you :)
From India, Bangalore
Namaskar Ra jat ji.
Thank you for your appreciation and illustration. Now I am adding the development of brain science from an article(2004) by Dr Irina Polland from Australia:
"2. Western Dogma: Historical Perspective
Until fairly recently the prevailing dogma in neuroscience was that the brain contained all of its neurons at birth and their number remained unchanged by life's experiences. It was believed that the only changes that did occur over the course of one's life were alterations in synaptic (interneuronal) connections and accelerating cell death with aging. However, in the early 1990s, prominent neuroscientists began to discover that new neurons are being generated throughout one's entire lifespan (Eriksson et al, 1998; Van Praag et al, 1999) and, contrary to popular dogma, these newly differentiated neurons are associated with new learning and memory. Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) studies have confirmed that, for example, the brain region which controls finger movement in the hand increases in size in string players engaged in specific 'fingering' exercises. Furthermore, those who start their training earlier in life and practice longer show more pronounced changes in the brain (Elbert et al, 1995). The term which describes this important discovery is 'neuroplasticity' and expresses the reality that the brain continually changes as a result of our experiences, whether through fresh interneuronal connections or through the generation of new neurons.
Thus modern neuroscience is establishing what already seems intuitive; that the environment constantly impacts on brain development and that the brain remains functionally plastic throughout life, adjusting its neurophysiologic/psychologic development to the prevailing conditions. As a rule, western medicine has considered the child's social development and cognitive development to be separate, but we now know that there is an inseparable interconnectedness to these processes. To optimize adaptive neurophysiological growth and maturation prenatally and during infancy, the brain develops chronologically much earlier and faster than any other part of the body (Bogin, 1999). Despite the brain's rapid overall development, it is also the last organ to mature anatomically, allowing the prefrontal area to continuously reflect the progressive mental and social landmarks of a child's life. For example, children raised in nurturing environments develop physiological responses important in the regulation of emotions, and vice versa. Since the prefrontal area remains very plastic shaping its circuitry to match the experiences and learning children undergo, the early years of life are windows of opportunity for mastering helpful planning skills and emotional awareness for adaptive living. Children equipped with good planning skills by the time they enter school at the age of five or six, are much less likely to suffer from developing aggression and anxiety disorders (Spring, 2000). Various lines of thought and research agree that insufficient emotional stimulation and/or an excess of negative stimulation in the early stages of life are likely to result in a higher risk of mental health troubles. Exposing children to an atmosphere of genuine love and compassion within family and school environments significantly increases overall health and wellbeing - essential if we are to look forward to a more humane and peaceful future. However, there is also hope for those not raised under ideal conditions because, as this review reveals, the human brain has the ability to be rewired in the regulation of common emotions such as happiness, anxiety, fear, sadness, depression and, therefore, spiritual wellbeing. "
regards
From India, Delhi
Thank you for your appreciation and illustration. Now I am adding the development of brain science from an article(2004) by Dr Irina Polland from Australia:
"2. Western Dogma: Historical Perspective
Until fairly recently the prevailing dogma in neuroscience was that the brain contained all of its neurons at birth and their number remained unchanged by life's experiences. It was believed that the only changes that did occur over the course of one's life were alterations in synaptic (interneuronal) connections and accelerating cell death with aging. However, in the early 1990s, prominent neuroscientists began to discover that new neurons are being generated throughout one's entire lifespan (Eriksson et al, 1998; Van Praag et al, 1999) and, contrary to popular dogma, these newly differentiated neurons are associated with new learning and memory. Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) studies have confirmed that, for example, the brain region which controls finger movement in the hand increases in size in string players engaged in specific 'fingering' exercises. Furthermore, those who start their training earlier in life and practice longer show more pronounced changes in the brain (Elbert et al, 1995). The term which describes this important discovery is 'neuroplasticity' and expresses the reality that the brain continually changes as a result of our experiences, whether through fresh interneuronal connections or through the generation of new neurons.
Thus modern neuroscience is establishing what already seems intuitive; that the environment constantly impacts on brain development and that the brain remains functionally plastic throughout life, adjusting its neurophysiologic/psychologic development to the prevailing conditions. As a rule, western medicine has considered the child's social development and cognitive development to be separate, but we now know that there is an inseparable interconnectedness to these processes. To optimize adaptive neurophysiological growth and maturation prenatally and during infancy, the brain develops chronologically much earlier and faster than any other part of the body (Bogin, 1999). Despite the brain's rapid overall development, it is also the last organ to mature anatomically, allowing the prefrontal area to continuously reflect the progressive mental and social landmarks of a child's life. For example, children raised in nurturing environments develop physiological responses important in the regulation of emotions, and vice versa. Since the prefrontal area remains very plastic shaping its circuitry to match the experiences and learning children undergo, the early years of life are windows of opportunity for mastering helpful planning skills and emotional awareness for adaptive living. Children equipped with good planning skills by the time they enter school at the age of five or six, are much less likely to suffer from developing aggression and anxiety disorders (Spring, 2000). Various lines of thought and research agree that insufficient emotional stimulation and/or an excess of negative stimulation in the early stages of life are likely to result in a higher risk of mental health troubles. Exposing children to an atmosphere of genuine love and compassion within family and school environments significantly increases overall health and wellbeing - essential if we are to look forward to a more humane and peaceful future. However, there is also hope for those not raised under ideal conditions because, as this review reveals, the human brain has the ability to be rewired in the regulation of common emotions such as happiness, anxiety, fear, sadness, depression and, therefore, spiritual wellbeing. "
regards
From India, Delhi
Thank you Noor ji for your appreciation.
But we are treading through a very very difficult terrain. Earlier I had told you that east is going westernised and west is going easternised. You can ascertain the veracity of of my observation from the following two events:
1. On November 12, 2005 Dalai Lama addressed to a gathering in America of some 14,000 brain scientists of Society for Neuro Science. Birth of a new discipline called "Neuroplasticity" was reaffirmed.
2. On November 5, 2006 Dalai Lama will address to an international conference on science and spiritualty in Delhi.
The difference of these two events in terms of attendance and media coverage will tell what I mean.
regards
From India, Delhi
But we are treading through a very very difficult terrain. Earlier I had told you that east is going westernised and west is going easternised. You can ascertain the veracity of of my observation from the following two events:
1. On November 12, 2005 Dalai Lama addressed to a gathering in America of some 14,000 brain scientists of Society for Neuro Science. Birth of a new discipline called "Neuroplasticity" was reaffirmed.
2. On November 5, 2006 Dalai Lama will address to an international conference on science and spiritualty in Delhi.
The difference of these two events in terms of attendance and media coverage will tell what I mean.
regards
From India, Delhi
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