I truely feel that it is just state of mind either you be in corporate or be in consultancy.
Only thing matters is your own satisfaction with the job. End of the day I knwo for sure its no good just being a hunter or being a farmer both are required & has significant role to play.
Yes, two important aspects
A. On job learning & growth
B. Salary you earn.
if these two aspects are addressed year on year then no need to feel bad about any thing. All are required in the industry. There are corporate HR guys I know who work like dogs and get nothing also I Know recruiters who work like donkeys knowing nothing about business & requirement of the client both on functional & technical level ( just sourcing no value addtion)
Therfore only one thing is important i.e. YOU & your Sorrounding which builds your future irrespective of where you are & what you do..
From India, Delhi
Only thing matters is your own satisfaction with the job. End of the day I knwo for sure its no good just being a hunter or being a farmer both are required & has significant role to play.
Yes, two important aspects
A. On job learning & growth
B. Salary you earn.
if these two aspects are addressed year on year then no need to feel bad about any thing. All are required in the industry. There are corporate HR guys I know who work like dogs and get nothing also I Know recruiters who work like donkeys knowing nothing about business & requirement of the client both on functional & technical level ( just sourcing no value addtion)
Therfore only one thing is important i.e. YOU & your Sorrounding which builds your future irrespective of where you are & what you do..
From India, Delhi
Hi all,
I feel that different people have different perceptions.
And some offcourse misuse the authority. Consultants befool HRs, and HRs dont properly entertain them. Every one has a selfish purpose. But our selfishness should not harm the other person.
I myself moved from a consultancy into the mainstream.
I feel we all should respect the human element.
When we can be good to employees why can't we be good to the vendors!
I agree that consultants are often freshers with little to no insight into the core HR filed. Hence they make errors but its the responsibility of their guides to train them.
Most recruiters are under pressure to get maximum hirings done. They have a target.
So, by hook or crook, they try to meet the targets and concentrate more on quantity of candidates rather than quality of candidates.
I myself used to send as many candidates to companies as possible in light of getting more incentives. But I always focussed on quality.
At the end of the day what matters most is the planning , proper comminucation and being honest to ourselves.
HRs should call the consultants once in a while so as to convey the best possible Job description and preferences to them.
We cant blame any one for such an unethical attidue, rather we as HR and as consultant should focus on our responsibilities.
Gunjan
From India, New Delhi
39I feel that different people have different perceptions.
And some offcourse misuse the authority. Consultants befool HRs, and HRs dont properly entertain them. Every one has a selfish purpose. But our selfishness should not harm the other person.
I myself moved from a consultancy into the mainstream.
I feel we all should respect the human element.
When we can be good to employees why can't we be good to the vendors!
I agree that consultants are often freshers with little to no insight into the core HR filed. Hence they make errors but its the responsibility of their guides to train them.
Most recruiters are under pressure to get maximum hirings done. They have a target.
So, by hook or crook, they try to meet the targets and concentrate more on quantity of candidates rather than quality of candidates.
I myself used to send as many candidates to companies as possible in light of getting more incentives. But I always focussed on quality.
At the end of the day what matters most is the planning , proper comminucation and being honest to ourselves.
HRs should call the consultants once in a while so as to convey the best possible Job description and preferences to them.
We cant blame any one for such an unethical attidue, rather we as HR and as consultant should focus on our responsibilities.
Gunjan
From India, New Delhi
what i feel is that there is neither the upper hand of the consultants nor the corporate hr's... the work is to recruite and the best. well i have nt been a part of the consultancy , so cannt say but being a part of the corporate hr, at teh time of recruitment, there are some cases when literally the people dont hear u at all..which is irritating.
but my experience i just have learnt that make 100 calls a day and you get 5-10 out of them 5 turn up and 1 selected.... so have to bear and deal with the situation...
no choice left for neither cnsulatants or corporate HR's
From India, New Delhi
but my experience i just have learnt that make 100 calls a day and you get 5-10 out of them 5 turn up and 1 selected.... so have to bear and deal with the situation...
no choice left for neither cnsulatants or corporate HR's
From India, New Delhi
Dear All,
Once i faced a problem from one of the recruitment consultant in India, when we gave a position of sales engineer of our Dubai and Abu Dhabi position some sales engineer who were working in our own company itself got mail,what they do is shortlist all the candidates who were working as sales engineer from naukri and send and email template which can be created in naukri itself,whoever reply they will be chased and shortlisted,poaching process!!!.
If they dont work professionally ultimately they will loose the business.Tell them we have a grading sytem,where there is a yield ration if not acheieved they will be degraded.
And HR Floks please give feed back with in 5 days atlease so that no show ratio can also be avoided.
Suresh M.G
From United Arab Emirates, Dubai
Once i faced a problem from one of the recruitment consultant in India, when we gave a position of sales engineer of our Dubai and Abu Dhabi position some sales engineer who were working in our own company itself got mail,what they do is shortlist all the candidates who were working as sales engineer from naukri and send and email template which can be created in naukri itself,whoever reply they will be chased and shortlisted,poaching process!!!.
If they dont work professionally ultimately they will loose the business.Tell them we have a grading sytem,where there is a yield ration if not acheieved they will be degraded.
And HR Floks please give feed back with in 5 days atlease so that no show ratio can also be avoided.
Suresh M.G
From United Arab Emirates, Dubai
Hi All,
I read all the comments, it looks nice to read this big, long and hard words. may be call it over shopistication.
To the fact; recruiters are not getting RESPECT.
Well, this is not 100% true. Good recruiter would have simply opposite views.
The main cause is; ARE RECRUITMENT CONSULTANTS DO THERE JOB RIGHT, DO THE WORK AS EXPECTED?
E.G. Corporate HR has 1 position to fill and the consultant sends 15-20 resumes. in 2-3 mails. Maily all resumes downloaded from naukri or monster
Oh common, consultants are highered for QUALITY of work not QUANTITY.
Corporate HR can also download resumes from naukri than why would he need you.
So, instead of helping corporate HR some consultants increase their workload and the foolish follow upss....
whts can you expect out of it.... ignorance... low respect,,,,
ASHA MATHEW HAS CORRECTLY PUT HER VIEWS ACROSS, I DO AGREE WITH IT.
.....
AIM
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
I read all the comments, it looks nice to read this big, long and hard words. may be call it over shopistication.
To the fact; recruiters are not getting RESPECT.
Well, this is not 100% true. Good recruiter would have simply opposite views.
The main cause is; ARE RECRUITMENT CONSULTANTS DO THERE JOB RIGHT, DO THE WORK AS EXPECTED?
E.G. Corporate HR has 1 position to fill and the consultant sends 15-20 resumes. in 2-3 mails. Maily all resumes downloaded from naukri or monster
Oh common, consultants are highered for QUALITY of work not QUANTITY.
Corporate HR can also download resumes from naukri than why would he need you.
So, instead of helping corporate HR some consultants increase their workload and the foolish follow upss....
whts can you expect out of it.... ignorance... low respect,,,,
ASHA MATHEW HAS CORRECTLY PUT HER VIEWS ACROSS, I DO AGREE WITH IT.
.....
AIM
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
Hi Friends,
Here am sharing my taughts, see am also from consultacy but i got good response from candidates. every day i made atleast 30 calls but i got good response. the only thing is way of speech and how to explain the cadidate like short and sweet. now am working in corporate not hr generalised handling recruitment. In previous company i am also facing lots of problem not from candidate side only from employer side like target pressure no one realise our pain they want to achieve the targat and earn money. i know the recruiter pain but i dont know the solution for this. now industry is too worst you know the package of hr recruiter 6000 rupees now for mba with 1 years exp. some recruiter dont know how to explain the opening to candidates simply they are doing record type explanation thats why candidates wont accept consultancy they prefer company.
From India
Here am sharing my taughts, see am also from consultacy but i got good response from candidates. every day i made atleast 30 calls but i got good response. the only thing is way of speech and how to explain the cadidate like short and sweet. now am working in corporate not hr generalised handling recruitment. In previous company i am also facing lots of problem not from candidate side only from employer side like target pressure no one realise our pain they want to achieve the targat and earn money. i know the recruiter pain but i dont know the solution for this. now industry is too worst you know the package of hr recruiter 6000 rupees now for mba with 1 years exp. some recruiter dont know how to explain the opening to candidates simply they are doing record type explanation thats why candidates wont accept consultancy they prefer company.
From India
Consultants can become masters in recruitment and recruitment ony.But on the other hand Corporate HR/Factory HR would have handled the whole gamut of HRM which included recruitment,T&D,PMS,OD,Welfare,Housekeeping,Secuit y,Safety,ISO /SA 8000TPM/Demmings certification/TQM, Guest house maintenance,Time office function,Employee transport,Canteen management,IR situations,counseling,union negotiations,representing labour cases ,handling crisis situtations,promotions,transfers,F&F settlements,incentives etc., etc.,
Pl now decide whether consultant HR or Factory /Corporate HR does more and provide more opportunity to perform.
Consultant HR is like Test match cricket and Factory HR is like 20 /20 cricket match and Corporate HR is one day cricket match.
From India, Madras
Pl now decide whether consultant HR or Factory /Corporate HR does more and provide more opportunity to perform.
Consultant HR is like Test match cricket and Factory HR is like 20 /20 cricket match and Corporate HR is one day cricket match.
From India, Madras
good discussion, but I guess its turning into a fight. HRs Vs, consultants. Lets stop blaming each other and concentrate on our roles.
From India, New Delhi
From India, New Delhi
Gunjan..... U said it well...... We have no right to call anyone as Bloody, yera , gera....
Even i experinced the same from the public. Their thinking style is like this....... Recruitment is the job if he or she knows the languages like English and Hindi irrespctive of his intelligence level, his qualification, and the challenge in recriutment...... and it is rated as low.... People even don't think he is the first person who understand the candiate through his resume and analyz him... and sending it to HR...
Once i said i am working as HR.... people would like to know what portfolio i am handling , is it recruitment, payroll, traiing, Pm, and wanted to judge me
Let me tell you Recruitment is the challenging job... where you have to understand a person through his resume ..... even he/she is fake or original....
Guys... please don't get disappointed....... try to learn and be poisitive instead of calling yourself as Bloody..... It hurts lots of people... who learnt their ABCD of HR from the recruitment......
From India, Mumbai
Even i experinced the same from the public. Their thinking style is like this....... Recruitment is the job if he or she knows the languages like English and Hindi irrespctive of his intelligence level, his qualification, and the challenge in recriutment...... and it is rated as low.... People even don't think he is the first person who understand the candiate through his resume and analyz him... and sending it to HR...
Once i said i am working as HR.... people would like to know what portfolio i am handling , is it recruitment, payroll, traiing, Pm, and wanted to judge me
Let me tell you Recruitment is the challenging job... where you have to understand a person through his resume ..... even he/she is fake or original....
Guys... please don't get disappointed....... try to learn and be poisitive instead of calling yourself as Bloody..... It hurts lots of people... who learnt their ABCD of HR from the recruitment......
From India, Mumbai
Being a corporate HR head of MNC now after bitten a taste of being Manpower Consultant too after working in manufacturing and corporate sector for more than 15 years initially. My experience was not very good with a few Corporate HR people as i found them quite arrogant and suffering from superiority complex. More than 50% OF PEOPLE were good to talk and reseptive and responsive. My reading is that such behavioral traits comes from personality and experiencing bad deals with consultants.
A displaced HR person knows no other job than working as consultant to survive ?
At the same time difference will always be there being other side of the table as being source of the business (Corporates) so should realise the difference and adjust to the situation. The other point is competency of persons in the consultancy business play big role and un competent/unprofessional people remain behind left complaining of raw deal.
You see in all fields it is true why only in consultancy business.
Sundeep Wadhwa
From India, New Delhi
A displaced HR person knows no other job than working as consultant to survive ?
At the same time difference will always be there being other side of the table as being source of the business (Corporates) so should realise the difference and adjust to the situation. The other point is competency of persons in the consultancy business play big role and un competent/unprofessional people remain behind left complaining of raw deal.
You see in all fields it is true why only in consultancy business.
Sundeep Wadhwa
From India, New Delhi
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