LAGAAN, MUNNABHAI, CHAK DE, RANG DE BASANTI next what?????
Hello HR friends,
I would like to share my views on various members are stating that they can learn a lot from
these films. Leadership, Motivation, Success, Defeat etc. Someone stated how aamir khan used the
resources in lagaan, and some one stated management lessons from sholay,,,
now our HR people are all set out to provide training to our employees by showing these films.
But the main points I would like to highlight is ::::
1. Though YOU as HR may look at these points from Leadership, Management point of view. but what
is the view when your employee sees the film.
2. A film is a film, even in chak de and lagaan, munnabhai,,, in lagaan or other films even if
hero is poor in certain scenes he has car, good clothes, in films whatever the hero says, it has
to happen, so even if sharukh tells anything it has to happen in chak de, what a film is nothing
more than 3 hours of entertainment.
3. Instead of films cant we show real facts instances like Dhirubhai Ambani, the toyota,
something practical which the employee can understand and interpret it to utilize it in his daily
work.
4. One more thing I would like to know in one rajnikant film, rajnikant manages to kill three people with one bullet and one knife, so can we take some inspiration from this scene? can we learn some Managing with least resources funda, or lean manufacturing funda...
This is not to hurt those who have worked very hard to prepare presentations on these films, but I need explanation so as to how is this possible and to what extent this is helping HR ... If I am satisfied then I need to work on my point 4. :?
From India, Pune
54Hello HR friends,
I would like to share my views on various members are stating that they can learn a lot from
these films. Leadership, Motivation, Success, Defeat etc. Someone stated how aamir khan used the
resources in lagaan, and some one stated management lessons from sholay,,,
now our HR people are all set out to provide training to our employees by showing these films.
But the main points I would like to highlight is ::::
1. Though YOU as HR may look at these points from Leadership, Management point of view. but what
is the view when your employee sees the film.
2. A film is a film, even in chak de and lagaan, munnabhai,,, in lagaan or other films even if
hero is poor in certain scenes he has car, good clothes, in films whatever the hero says, it has
to happen, so even if sharukh tells anything it has to happen in chak de, what a film is nothing
more than 3 hours of entertainment.
3. Instead of films cant we show real facts instances like Dhirubhai Ambani, the toyota,
something practical which the employee can understand and interpret it to utilize it in his daily
work.
4. One more thing I would like to know in one rajnikant film, rajnikant manages to kill three people with one bullet and one knife, so can we take some inspiration from this scene? can we learn some Managing with least resources funda, or lean manufacturing funda...
This is not to hurt those who have worked very hard to prepare presentations on these films, but I need explanation so as to how is this possible and to what extent this is helping HR ... If I am satisfied then I need to work on my point 4. :?
From India, Pune
Dear Ravishankar,
how are you?
ya you are right.
The PERCEPTION does matter a lot..
So wat next?Lets we plan for the next movie not for public but for this site members.Lets ask for their inputs and we can make an extraordinary documentary....
wad u say?
Cheers
Sonal
From India, Jamnagar
how are you?
ya you are right.
The PERCEPTION does matter a lot..
So wat next?Lets we plan for the next movie not for public but for this site members.Lets ask for their inputs and we can make an extraordinary documentary....
wad u say?
Cheers
Sonal
From India, Jamnagar
Dear Ravishankar & Sonal,
Since ancient times, storytelling has been used as a method of teaching or explaining a point. There literally is no difference between this method and a movie - after all, it is only a story.
For eg. Grimms' Fairy Tales which are read by young children were not intended for children in the first place in the original format. They were quite dark and gloomy - and full of reality! The stories had to be entertaining for the simple reason of helping them to be remembered. This is also how legends and myths are born. Reality is boring by comparison.
Thus important lessons and values were taught through the means of a verbal story - which went into radio and now today has transformed into movies.
Yes - PERCEPTION is extremely important, because that is the message that would be most real to you and hence would be picked up by you quickly.
I guess the underlying concern is that such things are treated as entertainment alone and no values / lessons are gained from it.
Regards
Ryan
From India, Mumbai
Since ancient times, storytelling has been used as a method of teaching or explaining a point. There literally is no difference between this method and a movie - after all, it is only a story.
For eg. Grimms' Fairy Tales which are read by young children were not intended for children in the first place in the original format. They were quite dark and gloomy - and full of reality! The stories had to be entertaining for the simple reason of helping them to be remembered. This is also how legends and myths are born. Reality is boring by comparison.
Thus important lessons and values were taught through the means of a verbal story - which went into radio and now today has transformed into movies.
Yes - PERCEPTION is extremely important, because that is the message that would be most real to you and hence would be picked up by you quickly.
I guess the underlying concern is that such things are treated as entertainment alone and no values / lessons are gained from it.
Regards
Ryan
From India, Mumbai
Story telling, aesop fables, and all are ok for small children,
BUT U ARE TEACHING A PROFESSIONAL WITH MOVIES< that too some rubbish movies, and directly linking them with leadership, management etc....
Now tell me what about that Rajnikanth scene, shall I show the scene to the employees in my organisation.
From India, Pune
BUT U ARE TEACHING A PROFESSIONAL WITH MOVIES< that too some rubbish movies, and directly linking them with leadership, management etc....
Now tell me what about that Rajnikanth scene, shall I show the scene to the employees in my organisation.
From India, Pune
Hi Ravishankar,
Sure you can show the Rajnikant scene in your office with 2 intentions :
1) Entertainment
2) Creativity / Imagination / Innovation
Stories are for all ages. If I recall correctly, Jesus Christ, Gautam Buddha, Birbal and countless others used stories to educate lay people, princes and kings.
Are you implying that a professional cannot learn from a movie? I must disagree, because that will be a STATIC professional - who is now stuck to a particular level; who was probably the best at one point in time, not anymore since someone has surpassed him in making the attempt to learn more.
There are many movies where one can learn, including animated movies like Ice Age & Shrek. Or perhaps if you want flesh and blood movies rooted in the real world, try "The Negotiator" which stars Samuel L. Jackson, or "The Untouchables" or "Gandhi".
Sure the script is written out - but thats how you deliver a message. Ask anyone in advertising / marketing or HR :D
Yes - I also agree that some movies are by and large mindless, and really defy logic and common sense - and THAT IS ALSO ENTERTAINMENT :)
By the way - kids learn much faster than adults.... they forget what they have learnt when they see adults behaving in a manner contrary to what they have been taught. They get confused with behaviours they are told to learn v/s behaviours they see in action from the people who are teaching them. This is another topic by itself. Its called learning by example OR actions speak louder than words :wink:
Coming back to movies - one can show whatever film one wants to train on - just be sure of your topic and then show relevant clips. I can give you a few points to help in using movies as a training tool if you wish.
Regards,
Ryan
From India, Mumbai
Sure you can show the Rajnikant scene in your office with 2 intentions :
1) Entertainment
2) Creativity / Imagination / Innovation
Stories are for all ages. If I recall correctly, Jesus Christ, Gautam Buddha, Birbal and countless others used stories to educate lay people, princes and kings.
Are you implying that a professional cannot learn from a movie? I must disagree, because that will be a STATIC professional - who is now stuck to a particular level; who was probably the best at one point in time, not anymore since someone has surpassed him in making the attempt to learn more.
There are many movies where one can learn, including animated movies like Ice Age & Shrek. Or perhaps if you want flesh and blood movies rooted in the real world, try "The Negotiator" which stars Samuel L. Jackson, or "The Untouchables" or "Gandhi".
Sure the script is written out - but thats how you deliver a message. Ask anyone in advertising / marketing or HR :D
Yes - I also agree that some movies are by and large mindless, and really defy logic and common sense - and THAT IS ALSO ENTERTAINMENT :)
By the way - kids learn much faster than adults.... they forget what they have learnt when they see adults behaving in a manner contrary to what they have been taught. They get confused with behaviours they are told to learn v/s behaviours they see in action from the people who are teaching them. This is another topic by itself. Its called learning by example OR actions speak louder than words :wink:
Coming back to movies - one can show whatever film one wants to train on - just be sure of your topic and then show relevant clips. I can give you a few points to help in using movies as a training tool if you wish.
Regards,
Ryan
From India, Mumbai
Dear Ravishankar, First of all I should thank you that what you have outlined is correct. The Ambanis or the Toyotas are eqully good examples. But giving examples of movies would nicely percolate to everybody's mind easily. Moreover we here are not eulogizing movies but conveying our purpose and intention. You should always see the good motive behind the work. Our purpose is novel and good. We should be happy that our Bollywood have become so creative and socially responsible.
Dear Friends,
Once a professional trainer had come to our company for Personal effectiveness programme, I was assisting him in the whole one day workshop, during the break while i was interacting with the participants i.e my colleagues, they told that this brainstorming would work for only one day or so, and the trainer was a really professional, experienced and enthusiastic man and they told that nothing will happen because of this programs, but in the feedback form all wrote that program is very good etc etc .
Here I would like to point one quality of the trainer, during the initial start of the program, our two company heads were present X and Y ,,, then they left the program to be continued in the hands of trainer and were supposed to return by evening for conclusion / end.
So as the program progressed the trainer was stressing on personality development, about personal happiness, development. He plainly told one thing "blah blah blah you have to develop yourself, You want to suceed, got a better job, nothing is wrong in that, go join any better job, want to start your business nothing is wrong in that start your own business, forget who is Mr. X. and Y, when you are going to be in a dilemma they are [the company ] is not going to help you, it is your social circle your family members who are going to help you, hence spend time with them, 8-9 hrs is enough for office"
It was really great of that trainer to explain the truth, but he was also smart , as when the management X,Y came after some time,,, he was telling "strive hard for the company, this is ur second home etc in favor of company"....
So mostly here the perception of employees was that they were overworked, and not really interested in training,, when I told this to my boss that employees were not happy with the program. , he was blank, and he also works like training given on paper is enough for him to prove that training has been done....
So can anyone give facts , practical examples of what you have achieved by showing films, and the real result, then I would also agree with u.. :roll:
From India, Pune
Once a professional trainer had come to our company for Personal effectiveness programme, I was assisting him in the whole one day workshop, during the break while i was interacting with the participants i.e my colleagues, they told that this brainstorming would work for only one day or so, and the trainer was a really professional, experienced and enthusiastic man and they told that nothing will happen because of this programs, but in the feedback form all wrote that program is very good etc etc .
Here I would like to point one quality of the trainer, during the initial start of the program, our two company heads were present X and Y ,,, then they left the program to be continued in the hands of trainer and were supposed to return by evening for conclusion / end.
So as the program progressed the trainer was stressing on personality development, about personal happiness, development. He plainly told one thing "blah blah blah you have to develop yourself, You want to suceed, got a better job, nothing is wrong in that, go join any better job, want to start your business nothing is wrong in that start your own business, forget who is Mr. X. and Y, when you are going to be in a dilemma they are [the company ] is not going to help you, it is your social circle your family members who are going to help you, hence spend time with them, 8-9 hrs is enough for office"
It was really great of that trainer to explain the truth, but he was also smart , as when the management X,Y came after some time,,, he was telling "strive hard for the company, this is ur second home etc in favor of company"....
So mostly here the perception of employees was that they were overworked, and not really interested in training,, when I told this to my boss that employees were not happy with the program. , he was blank, and he also works like training given on paper is enough for him to prove that training has been done....
So can anyone give facts , practical examples of what you have achieved by showing films, and the real result, then I would also agree with u.. :roll:
From India, Pune
Hi Ravishankar,
I appreciate your views of movies and management principles. I can’t agree with your point that movies are not a contributing factor in learning. My opinion is movies are contributing towards learning. I would like to tell you one more thing, just try with your employees by providing two types of training. One is complete class room and another one is with activity based and showing movies, role play etc. You can easily make out the result who are the participants most benefited. The end result is most effective learning was with the people who have participated with lot of activity based training.
You are talking about film about Ambanis and Toyotas. There is a film based on Ambani’s is, Guru directed by Mani Ratnam. Probably you would have watched the love story alone, but get into deeper and see the movie on how he is succeeding in his business.
You are talking about Rajnikant’s film. As one of our friend said his film gives a positive attitude, creativeness and innovativeness. When man tried to fly, he tried all the methods of flying by tying wings like objects and jumped from the heights and then he learnt to fly, and finally he invented the flight.
Finally about the trainer whom you are talking about. If you have selected him for providing the training to your employees, then you did a mistake by asking him to give the training. Based on your comments on trainer, he is not at all a trainer; just try to talk something and making money. There are lots of good trainers and training providers in India on all different topics.
Recently there was a one thread which was discussing about the management principles in the film Cheeni Kum
Don’t see the film as an entertainer alone. Watch the movie in context with the message what the movie intend to say. Munna Bhai attracted more people all over the world not just because of its comedy but for its message of Ghandhigiri based on Ghandhian principles.
Regards,
Umesh.S.
From India, Bangalore
I appreciate your views of movies and management principles. I can’t agree with your point that movies are not a contributing factor in learning. My opinion is movies are contributing towards learning. I would like to tell you one more thing, just try with your employees by providing two types of training. One is complete class room and another one is with activity based and showing movies, role play etc. You can easily make out the result who are the participants most benefited. The end result is most effective learning was with the people who have participated with lot of activity based training.
You are talking about film about Ambanis and Toyotas. There is a film based on Ambani’s is, Guru directed by Mani Ratnam. Probably you would have watched the love story alone, but get into deeper and see the movie on how he is succeeding in his business.
You are talking about Rajnikant’s film. As one of our friend said his film gives a positive attitude, creativeness and innovativeness. When man tried to fly, he tried all the methods of flying by tying wings like objects and jumped from the heights and then he learnt to fly, and finally he invented the flight.
Finally about the trainer whom you are talking about. If you have selected him for providing the training to your employees, then you did a mistake by asking him to give the training. Based on your comments on trainer, he is not at all a trainer; just try to talk something and making money. There are lots of good trainers and training providers in India on all different topics.
Recently there was a one thread which was discussing about the management principles in the film Cheeni Kum
Don’t see the film as an entertainer alone. Watch the movie in context with the message what the movie intend to say. Munna Bhai attracted more people all over the world not just because of its comedy but for its message of Ghandhigiri based on Ghandhian principles.
Regards,
Umesh.S.
From India, Bangalore
Dear Umesh, AGREED
I agree with what u have said, the training should be conducted by some professional with real incidences and the films part should consist of about 25% time of training not more than that more may become more fun and less training.
but if we look towards movies as learning point of view, then what should we watch for entertainment? 8) 8) 8)
and what the trainer told about personal development was the harsh truth. If you want personal development then you should not be loyal to company, my view is you work and company pays u,, nothing more than that, the more pay, facilities u get, the more u should be professional and the moment u get a better company who offers more that what ur getting now ,, JUMP,, but till a limit ,at most jump 2-3 jobs then stay with one,,,,,
Here HR talks about Retention and all other stuff, still I see many HR persons in Orkut, Citehr, having experience as low as 6 months and shouting that they need a change... then after some 2-3 yrs when they themselvers are recruiting a 6 month yr old professional still they ask why are u looking for change,,, ????? isnt it wierd.....
:) :)
From India, Pune
I agree with what u have said, the training should be conducted by some professional with real incidences and the films part should consist of about 25% time of training not more than that more may become more fun and less training.
but if we look towards movies as learning point of view, then what should we watch for entertainment? 8) 8) 8)
and what the trainer told about personal development was the harsh truth. If you want personal development then you should not be loyal to company, my view is you work and company pays u,, nothing more than that, the more pay, facilities u get, the more u should be professional and the moment u get a better company who offers more that what ur getting now ,, JUMP,, but till a limit ,at most jump 2-3 jobs then stay with one,,,,,
Here HR talks about Retention and all other stuff, still I see many HR persons in Orkut, Citehr, having experience as low as 6 months and shouting that they need a change... then after some 2-3 yrs when they themselvers are recruiting a 6 month yr old professional still they ask why are u looking for change,,, ????? isnt it wierd.....
:) :)
From India, Pune
dear
i do agree with u upto some extent..
but if u say something about jump in job...it depends on lots of factors..only money doesnt matter....culture,management,growth ,n much more...
so u r rite that one should change the job wen he gets better one...but the attitude should not be like wat u r saying that company is paying n we are working thats it....no its not like dat....employees n management have to understand each other n solve all the problems...and we HR ppl are for that...dont you think so?we are here in the company for our personal growth as well as company's....
So think before wad u think.....
Weird things are for betterment...otherwise no use of any professional in any organisation n then no "CORPORATE "world.
Cheers
Sonal
From India, Jamnagar
i do agree with u upto some extent..
but if u say something about jump in job...it depends on lots of factors..only money doesnt matter....culture,management,growth ,n much more...
so u r rite that one should change the job wen he gets better one...but the attitude should not be like wat u r saying that company is paying n we are working thats it....no its not like dat....employees n management have to understand each other n solve all the problems...and we HR ppl are for that...dont you think so?we are here in the company for our personal growth as well as company's....
So think before wad u think.....
Weird things are for betterment...otherwise no use of any professional in any organisation n then no "CORPORATE "world.
Cheers
Sonal
From India, Jamnagar
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