Dear Colonel Sir,
Firstly, thank you so much for sharing such a deeply touching message. I feel honored to have such brave and very human soldiers who are our real heroes.
But it pains my heart to see you sharing such a motivating and touching experience when it is the job of us civilians to be united and by doing that, motivate our soldiers. But once again, the real Indians (our armed forces) have shown us the right path and are inspiring us to be secular.
Thanks again. Hats off to you, Sir, and the forces.
Regards, Sanil Chopra
From India, Mumbai
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Firstly, thank you so much for sharing such a deeply touching message. I feel honored to have such brave and very human soldiers who are our real heroes.
But it pains my heart to see you sharing such a motivating and touching experience when it is the job of us civilians to be united and by doing that, motivate our soldiers. But once again, the real Indians (our armed forces) have shown us the right path and are inspiring us to be secular.
Thanks again. Hats off to you, Sir, and the forces.
Regards, Sanil Chopra
From India, Mumbai
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Dear Colonel Jude Mayne Sir,
I appreciate your article to some extent as I believe that no entity, group, person, or individuals are responsible for spreading hatred in society.
Mentioning "The Thackerays are the epitome of hatred of fellow Indians" in your article posted is totally misleading and encourages differences among the readers. If Thackerays' fight is against those illegal immigrants, then have a quick look at the below-mentioned facts:
1. So far 8 PMs (Nehru, LB Shastri, Indira Gandhi, Charan Singh, Rajiv Gandhi, VP Singh, Chandra Shekhar, AB Vajpayee) have all come from UP. WHY could they not develop it since independence?
2. HOW come the so-called "communal" CM of Gujarat has been able to achieve the highest rate of growth in the country within a span of 5/6 years but not the "secular" CMs of UP/Bihar who ruled for more than 15/16 years?
3. UP/Bihar are amongst the richest states in terms of natural resources. WHY then TATAs, BIRLAs, or any other industrialists are not keen on setting up large industries there, even though labor is also cheaply available?
4. Amar Singh of Samajwadi Party always accompanies top celebrities/industrialists, prominent ones being Anil Ambani. WHY could he not convince them to invest in his state? Only Anil Ambani is investing something...but that's because he's promised free land.
5. It's a fact that the maximum number of Babus (IAS/IPS officers, Yadav, Gupta, Jha, Singh, Pandey, Sinha, Shrivastav, Sharma, Verma, ...) come from UP/Bihar. WHY then do these states still remain backward? Why do they want to settle down in Maharashtra? Because they and their Netas don't want to uplift their backward states to rule indiscriminately.
6. Bihar CM Nitish Kumar claims that North Indians contributed to the development of Mumbai. WHY do they not contribute to their own state's development? Why are Patna/Dhanbad the shabbiest cities in the world? (Mumbai may join them soon).
7. Thirty-Six (36) North Indians were burnt alive in Assam. WHERE were Sanjay Nirupam, Abu, Mulayam, Amar, Laloo, Maya, Jaya, Amitabh, Shatrugun, and Nitish Kumar at that time? So-called sons of the soil of UP, Bihar, MP States.
8. Bihar had the maximum number of railway ministers. WHY then are their recruitments done from Assam, Gujarat, and Mumbai?
9. It's a fact that where there's money/opportunity, people from different geo/demography rush in to make fortunes. Mumbai is one such city. Gujaratis, Marwaris, South Indians, Bengalis, Punjabis, Sindhis flocked to Mumbai for obvious reasons. The majority of these communities got into skilled, professional, business areas and prospered, contributing to Mumbai's success. However, most North Indians resort to and take pride in doing unskilled/unlawful cheap labor such as illegal hawking by occupying every nook & corner of every footpath, station areas as vegetable/fruit/sing-chana/bhel-pani puri vendors, or auto/taxi wallas without licenses. They bribe local authorities and make life of common people miserable due to congestions and rubbish. They are ruining the taxpayer's money. Of course not to mention about illegal slums. It is absurd to say that they contributed to Mumbai's development. If anything, they are retarding/deteriorating Mumbai. Can our great leaders dare say that Middle-east countries especially Dubai got developed due to laborers from India?
10. It's not sons-of-soil vs. North Indians.
Dear Colonel Jude Mayne Sir, it's not a personal issue, but expressing your views neglecting the facts is somewhat I didn't agree with.
I would like to extend my sincere apology if the remarks made by me would have hurt you in any manner.
From India, Mumbai
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166I appreciate your article to some extent as I believe that no entity, group, person, or individuals are responsible for spreading hatred in society.
Mentioning "The Thackerays are the epitome of hatred of fellow Indians" in your article posted is totally misleading and encourages differences among the readers. If Thackerays' fight is against those illegal immigrants, then have a quick look at the below-mentioned facts:
1. So far 8 PMs (Nehru, LB Shastri, Indira Gandhi, Charan Singh, Rajiv Gandhi, VP Singh, Chandra Shekhar, AB Vajpayee) have all come from UP. WHY could they not develop it since independence?
2. HOW come the so-called "communal" CM of Gujarat has been able to achieve the highest rate of growth in the country within a span of 5/6 years but not the "secular" CMs of UP/Bihar who ruled for more than 15/16 years?
3. UP/Bihar are amongst the richest states in terms of natural resources. WHY then TATAs, BIRLAs, or any other industrialists are not keen on setting up large industries there, even though labor is also cheaply available?
4. Amar Singh of Samajwadi Party always accompanies top celebrities/industrialists, prominent ones being Anil Ambani. WHY could he not convince them to invest in his state? Only Anil Ambani is investing something...but that's because he's promised free land.
5. It's a fact that the maximum number of Babus (IAS/IPS officers, Yadav, Gupta, Jha, Singh, Pandey, Sinha, Shrivastav, Sharma, Verma, ...) come from UP/Bihar. WHY then do these states still remain backward? Why do they want to settle down in Maharashtra? Because they and their Netas don't want to uplift their backward states to rule indiscriminately.
6. Bihar CM Nitish Kumar claims that North Indians contributed to the development of Mumbai. WHY do they not contribute to their own state's development? Why are Patna/Dhanbad the shabbiest cities in the world? (Mumbai may join them soon).
7. Thirty-Six (36) North Indians were burnt alive in Assam. WHERE were Sanjay Nirupam, Abu, Mulayam, Amar, Laloo, Maya, Jaya, Amitabh, Shatrugun, and Nitish Kumar at that time? So-called sons of the soil of UP, Bihar, MP States.
8. Bihar had the maximum number of railway ministers. WHY then are their recruitments done from Assam, Gujarat, and Mumbai?
9. It's a fact that where there's money/opportunity, people from different geo/demography rush in to make fortunes. Mumbai is one such city. Gujaratis, Marwaris, South Indians, Bengalis, Punjabis, Sindhis flocked to Mumbai for obvious reasons. The majority of these communities got into skilled, professional, business areas and prospered, contributing to Mumbai's success. However, most North Indians resort to and take pride in doing unskilled/unlawful cheap labor such as illegal hawking by occupying every nook & corner of every footpath, station areas as vegetable/fruit/sing-chana/bhel-pani puri vendors, or auto/taxi wallas without licenses. They bribe local authorities and make life of common people miserable due to congestions and rubbish. They are ruining the taxpayer's money. Of course not to mention about illegal slums. It is absurd to say that they contributed to Mumbai's development. If anything, they are retarding/deteriorating Mumbai. Can our great leaders dare say that Middle-east countries especially Dubai got developed due to laborers from India?
10. It's not sons-of-soil vs. North Indians.
Dear Colonel Jude Mayne Sir, it's not a personal issue, but expressing your views neglecting the facts is somewhat I didn't agree with.
I would like to extend my sincere apology if the remarks made by me would have hurt you in any manner.
From India, Mumbai
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Dear Simmy,
If I did not accept disagreement to my opinions or thinking, then I am no better than the persons being discussed. Your reply has only earned my respect and not my hurt. My aim was to start a debate on Nationalism and why do we not discuss as Indians but as Oriyas, Bengalis, Maharashtrians, Biharis, etc. I spent this weekend with my friends in the Army at Hyderabad, and on 28 Nov the whole lot of officers had gone to the Mosque to celebrate Eid with a handful of Muslim soldiers. At the moment, there are no Muslim officers posted in that organization, but all the officers still went. In my Army unit, we had officers from all faiths, including Buddhism - but when we were in the Mandir for Shivratri or Janmashtami, I can bet you could never tell who is a Hindu or isn't.
The point I am trying to drive here is that let's not divide our people on religion, caste, language, or creed - for our country's sake. Finding fault as to what he or she has done or not done is easy - look up statistics on Google. I believe in "The Power of One" - let me do my little bit for the unity of the country and fight these divisive forces.
Simmy, I really thank you again for arousing within me a feeling that I should do more than write in CiteHR.
Regards,
Colonel Jude Mayne
From India, Bangalore
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If I did not accept disagreement to my opinions or thinking, then I am no better than the persons being discussed. Your reply has only earned my respect and not my hurt. My aim was to start a debate on Nationalism and why do we not discuss as Indians but as Oriyas, Bengalis, Maharashtrians, Biharis, etc. I spent this weekend with my friends in the Army at Hyderabad, and on 28 Nov the whole lot of officers had gone to the Mosque to celebrate Eid with a handful of Muslim soldiers. At the moment, there are no Muslim officers posted in that organization, but all the officers still went. In my Army unit, we had officers from all faiths, including Buddhism - but when we were in the Mandir for Shivratri or Janmashtami, I can bet you could never tell who is a Hindu or isn't.
The point I am trying to drive here is that let's not divide our people on religion, caste, language, or creed - for our country's sake. Finding fault as to what he or she has done or not done is easy - look up statistics on Google. I believe in "The Power of One" - let me do my little bit for the unity of the country and fight these divisive forces.
Simmy, I really thank you again for arousing within me a feeling that I should do more than write in CiteHR.
Regards,
Colonel Jude Mayne
From India, Bangalore
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Dear Colonel Jude Mayne,
To further the continuation of your article, I need to share a similar incident. After the 26/11 episode, a few youngsters gave roses to Traffic Police and Constables. When asked about this good deed, one of the fellows gently said, "We have gained much more respect for these people after the 26/11 incident."
And lastly, a true incident during our leisure trip to a castle in New Zealand. Our train stopped at a station, and when inquired about the long break, one of the old gentlemen promptly said, "Sachin Tendulkar is completing his 17,000 runs in ODI, so we are desperately watching for that moment to come." This is the power that could make a train halt.
From India, Mumbai
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To further the continuation of your article, I need to share a similar incident. After the 26/11 episode, a few youngsters gave roses to Traffic Police and Constables. When asked about this good deed, one of the fellows gently said, "We have gained much more respect for these people after the 26/11 incident."
And lastly, a true incident during our leisure trip to a castle in New Zealand. Our train stopped at a station, and when inquired about the long break, one of the old gentlemen promptly said, "Sachin Tendulkar is completing his 17,000 runs in ODI, so we are desperately watching for that moment to come." This is the power that could make a train halt.
From India, Mumbai
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