Dear Mr. Sundaram,
Nicely explained, and thanks for the same. It is possible that my mind is not in a position to understand or differentiate the terms, so the conversation took the wrong direction. Before, she refused to go for any personality development programs, but at least now she agreed and is working on it. I can see changes in her and am 100% sure that she will be back on track.
Best regards,
VIJAY
From United Arab Emirates, Ras Al Khaimah
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12Nicely explained, and thanks for the same. It is possible that my mind is not in a position to understand or differentiate the terms, so the conversation took the wrong direction. Before, she refused to go for any personality development programs, but at least now she agreed and is working on it. I can see changes in her and am 100% sure that she will be back on track.
Best regards,
VIJAY
From United Arab Emirates, Ras Al Khaimah
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I also post on the assumption that the thread will build a knowledge base for the future, where someone with a similar problem will get the answer directly. So for me, the original poster responding or not does not matter as such. But I get irritated seeing the takers posting a query that is covered so many times. Just see how many times the query "what should be the correct salary structure" has come!! And Vijay, this is not about you.
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Hello Nathrao,
I missed out reading this line you mentioned earlier: "I frankly admit learning more by being in the position of 'giver' and also from other learned members."
This doesn't just apply to you alone; it's very natural that givers ALWAYS learn/gain MORE than takers for the simple reason that any giver normally tries to evaluate and analyze what others have suggested and how his/her ideas/gyan are different from others. So, in the process, it's but natural that he/she gains/learns a lot more than he/she is giving.
While any taker's tendency is to look JUST for the solution to his/her problem in what's being offered by others, usually IGNORING all other points/ideas (that he/she THINKS are irrelevant to his/her current issue/problem)—in short, their focus is very narrow and short-term. While there's nothing wrong per se in this, such people lose out on the larger picture of any issue/situation.
And quite often, this comes out very clearly from his/her postings that lack in clarity, etc.
This is differentiated from those who are currently takers but have the potential to become givers along the way...
The best current example I can think of is Vijay, who has realized that the initial inputs he provided were leading to many presumptions that were either untrue or only partially true, and has cared to give more detailed inputs. I am sure he has learned much more NOW than when he initiated this thread, when the objective would have been to just get a solution to his daughter's problem.
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TS
From India, Hyderabad
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I missed out reading this line you mentioned earlier: "I frankly admit learning more by being in the position of 'giver' and also from other learned members."
This doesn't just apply to you alone; it's very natural that givers ALWAYS learn/gain MORE than takers for the simple reason that any giver normally tries to evaluate and analyze what others have suggested and how his/her ideas/gyan are different from others. So, in the process, it's but natural that he/she gains/learns a lot more than he/she is giving.
While any taker's tendency is to look JUST for the solution to his/her problem in what's being offered by others, usually IGNORING all other points/ideas (that he/she THINKS are irrelevant to his/her current issue/problem)—in short, their focus is very narrow and short-term. While there's nothing wrong per se in this, such people lose out on the larger picture of any issue/situation.
And quite often, this comes out very clearly from his/her postings that lack in clarity, etc.
This is differentiated from those who are currently takers but have the potential to become givers along the way...
The best current example I can think of is Vijay, who has realized that the initial inputs he provided were leading to many presumptions that were either untrue or only partially true, and has cared to give more detailed inputs. I am sure he has learned much more NOW than when he initiated this thread, when the objective would have been to just get a solution to his daughter's problem.
Regards,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
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" This doesn't just apply to you alone... it's very natural that givers always learn/gain more than takers for the simple reason that any giver normally tries to evaluate and analyze what others have suggested and how their ideas/knowledge differ from others. So, in the process, it's but natural that he/she gains/learns a lot more than he/she is giving."
I do agree with what you say. But did I give the impression that I only learn more by being a "giver"?
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I do agree with what you say. But did I give the impression that I only learn more by being a "giver"?
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No Nathrao — you DIDN’T. Sometimes, English language is such a poor communicator that meanings change :-) Our Indian languages are far better to convey the nuances. Rgds, TS
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Dear Vijay,
Your daughter tried to get into IIM, but unfortunately, she couldn't make it on the first attempt. As you know, it is really difficult to get into IIMs since the quality and reputation of IIM education matter utmost among the corporate world. Many candidates succeed after more than one attempt in CAT. The entrance exams consist of a written test, group discussion, personal interviews, etc. Before attending the CAT, a candidate should understand the extreme competition involved in this examination.
Now, your daughter is a CA by profession. Becoming a CA is also really difficult since it deals with a lot of subjects in detail. Becoming a CA on the first attempt is really prestigious. If a candidate can do so, obviously it means he or she is highly intellectual. So there is no point in worrying about. The only problem is a lack of soft skills.
If she is really interested in having a corporate career in the finance domain, she needs more knowledge in the concerned subject than soft skills. Luckily, your daughter has it, and she has proved it to everyone. Now it can be nurtured with the help of soft skill trainers who are available in almost all metros in India. The knowledge one possesses, which needs to be presented and implemented in the corporate world when required, depends on the confidence level of the professional taking up the concerned role. That means no matter how knowledgeable we are, it becomes absolutely useless if we are not competent enough to use it as and when required owing to a lack of confidence.
Your daughter attended some interviews but was unable to make it, and now not even ready to attend any more interviews, showing she may be lacking soft skill training and confidence that made her desperate to make a career in the corporate world.
She can have many options.
She can become perfectly employable by both in terms of knowledge and soft skills competency. A set of confidence-building measures is part of the program that may be available with soft skills training/counseling institutes nearby your home.
Or she can be an independent financial consultant by practicing under a senior CA for some time and start a consultancy of her own which does not require that much degree of soft skills needed for a corporate career. However, in my opinion, it is better to have some soft skill training for your daughter. It will obviously help her to deal with a bold mind in complicated situations in the future, whether as a consultant or as a corporate professional.
Discuss the matter with your daughter in detail. Let her decide her course of action.
Thank you
From India, Thiruvananthapuram
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Your daughter tried to get into IIM, but unfortunately, she couldn't make it on the first attempt. As you know, it is really difficult to get into IIMs since the quality and reputation of IIM education matter utmost among the corporate world. Many candidates succeed after more than one attempt in CAT. The entrance exams consist of a written test, group discussion, personal interviews, etc. Before attending the CAT, a candidate should understand the extreme competition involved in this examination.
Now, your daughter is a CA by profession. Becoming a CA is also really difficult since it deals with a lot of subjects in detail. Becoming a CA on the first attempt is really prestigious. If a candidate can do so, obviously it means he or she is highly intellectual. So there is no point in worrying about. The only problem is a lack of soft skills.
If she is really interested in having a corporate career in the finance domain, she needs more knowledge in the concerned subject than soft skills. Luckily, your daughter has it, and she has proved it to everyone. Now it can be nurtured with the help of soft skill trainers who are available in almost all metros in India. The knowledge one possesses, which needs to be presented and implemented in the corporate world when required, depends on the confidence level of the professional taking up the concerned role. That means no matter how knowledgeable we are, it becomes absolutely useless if we are not competent enough to use it as and when required owing to a lack of confidence.
Your daughter attended some interviews but was unable to make it, and now not even ready to attend any more interviews, showing she may be lacking soft skill training and confidence that made her desperate to make a career in the corporate world.
She can have many options.
She can become perfectly employable by both in terms of knowledge and soft skills competency. A set of confidence-building measures is part of the program that may be available with soft skills training/counseling institutes nearby your home.
Or she can be an independent financial consultant by practicing under a senior CA for some time and start a consultancy of her own which does not require that much degree of soft skills needed for a corporate career. However, in my opinion, it is better to have some soft skill training for your daughter. It will obviously help her to deal with a bold mind in complicated situations in the future, whether as a consultant or as a corporate professional.
Discuss the matter with your daughter in detail. Let her decide her course of action.
Thank you
From India, Thiruvananthapuram
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Dear Mr. Binubabu,
Thank you very much for your reply and valuable suggestions. I was really touched by the response I received from all the members and have to admit that I should have asked for your help long before.
Things have changed a lot now. She is looking forward to many things and both my wife and I can see lots of changes in her. As mentioned earlier, she has started looking into soft skill and personality development programs. Regarding your suggestion about working for some time with a CA firm and then starting our own practice, that was my first suggestion to her which she refused. I tried to explain to her from various angles, but she was not able to accept. Still, I am optimistic that she will understand the benefits of having our own firm, but on the other hand, I don't want to force my terms on her.
With this message, I would like to thank all the members who took out their precious time to post their suggestions.
Best regards,
VIJAY
From United Arab Emirates, Ras Al Khaimah
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Thank you very much for your reply and valuable suggestions. I was really touched by the response I received from all the members and have to admit that I should have asked for your help long before.
Things have changed a lot now. She is looking forward to many things and both my wife and I can see lots of changes in her. As mentioned earlier, she has started looking into soft skill and personality development programs. Regarding your suggestion about working for some time with a CA firm and then starting our own practice, that was my first suggestion to her which she refused. I tried to explain to her from various angles, but she was not able to accept. Still, I am optimistic that she will understand the benefits of having our own firm, but on the other hand, I don't want to force my terms on her.
With this message, I would like to thank all the members who took out their precious time to post their suggestions.
Best regards,
VIJAY
From United Arab Emirates, Ras Al Khaimah
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Dear Mr Vijay, I have retired from a CPSU and presently living in Pune.Your daughter can contact me if she wants on my phone 09433722046.
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Dear Mr. Vijay,
Let me congratulate you on her topping.
1. She should understand that when she can easily clear the difficult papers, interviews are nothing for her.
2. Failure is the greatest success to gain experience.
3. Getting a job in a single attempt is not a great achievement, but with learned experience, it is a really great feeling and confidence we will have.
4. She should practice facing herself in the mirror, speak confidently, and have some mock interviews at home.
5. One positive thought can change the entire scenario.
6. Try and try until we achieve success rather than giving up in between.
7. She is in a stage of confusion about pursuing CA, MBA, and CFA. What is her final goal to achieve? She should try to understand her confusion.
Regards,
NVN
From India , Hyderabad
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Let me congratulate you on her topping.
1. She should understand that when she can easily clear the difficult papers, interviews are nothing for her.
2. Failure is the greatest success to gain experience.
3. Getting a job in a single attempt is not a great achievement, but with learned experience, it is a really great feeling and confidence we will have.
4. She should practice facing herself in the mirror, speak confidently, and have some mock interviews at home.
5. One positive thought can change the entire scenario.
6. Try and try until we achieve success rather than giving up in between.
7. She is in a stage of confusion about pursuing CA, MBA, and CFA. What is her final goal to achieve? She should try to understand her confusion.
Regards,
NVN
From India , Hyderabad
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Dear NVN Lakshmi,
Thank you for your reply. As mentioned in my earlier post, she will be joining the personality development-soft skill program very shortly. From my observation, she is not accustomed to facing defeat, so a series of failures might have depressed her. After the first failure, she might be reflecting on her previous interview, which could have caused a problem for her.
She appears more positive now, which may be the result of the suggestions offered by our members. Your post will also be beneficial for her to consider the points you raised. Regarding CA, MBA, or CFA, we had a similar debate in the past, but I withdrew as I am a technical person. Surely, she must have a better understanding than me about the future prospects in finance studies. Additionally, at certain stages, she was influenced by her friends, leading her to make some incorrect decisions.
Thank you once again.
Best regards,
VIJAY
From United Arab Emirates, Ras Al Khaimah
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Thank you for your reply. As mentioned in my earlier post, she will be joining the personality development-soft skill program very shortly. From my observation, she is not accustomed to facing defeat, so a series of failures might have depressed her. After the first failure, she might be reflecting on her previous interview, which could have caused a problem for her.
She appears more positive now, which may be the result of the suggestions offered by our members. Your post will also be beneficial for her to consider the points you raised. Regarding CA, MBA, or CFA, we had a similar debate in the past, but I withdrew as I am a technical person. Surely, she must have a better understanding than me about the future prospects in finance studies. Additionally, at certain stages, she was influenced by her friends, leading her to make some incorrect decisions.
Thank you once again.
Best regards,
VIJAY
From United Arab Emirates, Ras Al Khaimah
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