When I reached this string, I thought I would want to share some reading material that I got recently. But I see most of you are going into personal tangents, which shows high levels of immaturity.
Friends, this expression of "I am the king of the castle and you are the doggy rascal" by HR people surely isn't expected or warranted. Please stop these personal assaults and focus on the greater good!
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Friends, this expression of "I am the king of the castle and you are the doggy rascal" by HR people surely isn't expected or warranted. Please stop these personal assaults and focus on the greater good!
From India, Bangalore
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Hikim Shaab,
You seems to be frustrated and annoyed with a certain type of culture in your organization. Your experience is unique and you should not mingle the case in general. May b your organization does not believe in target oriented individual performance oriented business culture. May b there is lack in business code and conduct. Resulting in office duty timing is completely depending upon certain employees’ whims and fancy. Is
What is the job given to the individual and who is monitoring him/her activities is the basic argument. This is not a question of local or migrated employees but an overall organization culture.
Please, being a HR professional do not comments on issue based on your personal disliking or liking. All organizations are not like that. Today when progressive organizations are firmly believe on cross culture employees with a good mix of cosmopolitan.
You are free to highlight anything against any employee if it is not supported by company's policy and system. But do not see problem in a microscopic way.
After taking everything in rightspirit m talking. Hope you are clear now.
Best regards,
Pradipta
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3You seems to be frustrated and annoyed with a certain type of culture in your organization. Your experience is unique and you should not mingle the case in general. May b your organization does not believe in target oriented individual performance oriented business culture. May b there is lack in business code and conduct. Resulting in office duty timing is completely depending upon certain employees’ whims and fancy. Is
What is the job given to the individual and who is monitoring him/her activities is the basic argument. This is not a question of local or migrated employees but an overall organization culture.
Please, being a HR professional do not comments on issue based on your personal disliking or liking. All organizations are not like that. Today when progressive organizations are firmly believe on cross culture employees with a good mix of cosmopolitan.
You are free to highlight anything against any employee if it is not supported by company's policy and system. But do not see problem in a microscopic way.
After taking everything in rightspirit m talking. Hope you are clear now.
Best regards,
Pradipta
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Friend Pradipta Datta,
I am clear and focused from the start. Friends like you are misleading and diverting me from my main topic. I am not frustrated and annoyed. You seem to be a fresh HR pass out as your words show loyalty and dedication usually found in fresh graduates. Once you get good experience, then you will understand what happens in practicality.
Like others, you are taking things to heart and getting emotional, friend. Let us be practical and accept the facts rather than taking words of wisdom from books. Learn to stand out and invent new ways for better management.
Nothing is personal here, friend. I just mentioned what was the outcome of a little experiment I tried.
Passing a judgment without understanding things is a sign of childishness. One should think and have a global perspective about things. Are you aware of which company I work for, etc.?
Progressive organizations, or in the matter of fact any organizations, if you see in practice, are concerned about results, and how to achieve results is the task of managers. I have handled a team of around 300 people. HR is just a part of it, friend.
Please cool down, friend, and stop personal comments.
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I am clear and focused from the start. Friends like you are misleading and diverting me from my main topic. I am not frustrated and annoyed. You seem to be a fresh HR pass out as your words show loyalty and dedication usually found in fresh graduates. Once you get good experience, then you will understand what happens in practicality.
Like others, you are taking things to heart and getting emotional, friend. Let us be practical and accept the facts rather than taking words of wisdom from books. Learn to stand out and invent new ways for better management.
Nothing is personal here, friend. I just mentioned what was the outcome of a little experiment I tried.
Passing a judgment without understanding things is a sign of childishness. One should think and have a global perspective about things. Are you aware of which company I work for, etc.?
Progressive organizations, or in the matter of fact any organizations, if you see in practice, are concerned about results, and how to achieve results is the task of managers. I have handled a team of around 300 people. HR is just a part of it, friend.
Please cool down, friend, and stop personal comments.
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Thank you, cacofonixx, for understanding. This is what I am repeating to everyone. People are getting emotional and personal, which they should not do. This is the problem - people want to follow tried and tested methods and do not want to take the risk of doing something new. Everyone wants to play it safe.
PLEASE FRIENDS, stop getting emotional and personal.
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PLEASE FRIENDS, stop getting emotional and personal.
From India, Mumbai
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PLEASE FRIENDS STOP getting emotional and personal. ALL ARE REQUESTED NOT TO BE PERSONAL AND REPLY LIKE A PROFESSIONAL. THIS WILL SAVE YOURS AND MINE TIME AND ENERGY........
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Hi Shoeb,
You are right to some extent, but it can be vice versa. I am a migrant, and I used to wrap up my work on time and leave the office on time because I have to do all the household work by myself, e.g., cooking, washing, etc. Whereas my colleagues who are locals, they used to sit late as they don't have any such problem in their home. They used to play games and chat, as they have someone in their home who will cook for them, wash their clothes, and handle other household tasks. And believe me, they are the favorites not only of my boss but also of the management.
What do you say to this?
Surya
From India, Pune
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You are right to some extent, but it can be vice versa. I am a migrant, and I used to wrap up my work on time and leave the office on time because I have to do all the household work by myself, e.g., cooking, washing, etc. Whereas my colleagues who are locals, they used to sit late as they don't have any such problem in their home. They used to play games and chat, as they have someone in their home who will cook for them, wash their clothes, and handle other household tasks. And believe me, they are the favorites not only of my boss but also of the management.
What do you say to this?
Surya
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Dear Hakim,
I'm afraid you are contributing to this personal assault series yourself. Take a look at what you said to Pradipta: "I am clear and focused from the start. Friends like you are misleading and diverting me from my main topic. I am not frustrated and annoyed. You seem to be a fresh HR pass out as your words show loyalty and dedication usually found in fresh graduates. Once you gain good experience, then you will understand what happens in practicality."
I seriously don't think you should be commenting on your perceptions of a person without knowing him/her. You have not shown any maturity so far in this thread, and I can see deep-rooted cynicism in you.
I am stopping watching this thread because now I am convinced that there is no future for this thread! All the best and cool down folks. Life is too short; it's not worth suffering hatred and anguish!
Take care,
Caco
From India, Bangalore
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I'm afraid you are contributing to this personal assault series yourself. Take a look at what you said to Pradipta: "I am clear and focused from the start. Friends like you are misleading and diverting me from my main topic. I am not frustrated and annoyed. You seem to be a fresh HR pass out as your words show loyalty and dedication usually found in fresh graduates. Once you gain good experience, then you will understand what happens in practicality."
I seriously don't think you should be commenting on your perceptions of a person without knowing him/her. You have not shown any maturity so far in this thread, and I can see deep-rooted cynicism in you.
I am stopping watching this thread because now I am convinced that there is no future for this thread! All the best and cool down folks. Life is too short; it's not worth suffering hatred and anguish!
Take care,
Caco
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Good one and profound too!
Question to God: "What surprises you most about mankind?" And God answered: "That they lose their health to make money and then lose their money to restore their health. That by thinking anxiously about the future, they forget the present, such that they live neither for the present nor the future. That they live as if they will never die, and they die as if they had never lived..."
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Question to God: "What surprises you most about mankind?" And God answered: "That they lose their health to make money and then lose their money to restore their health. That by thinking anxiously about the future, they forget the present, such that they live neither for the present nor the future. That they live as if they will never die, and they die as if they had never lived..."
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Hi,
It is quite unfortunate to read your post. How can you generalize like this?
HR Management is a profession backed with hundreds of years of research, knowledge, and the efforts of thousands of people around the world. It is the most sensitive and dynamic management stream.
People switch from job to job not only because of better salary, company, or manager, but because of their 'attitude'. The industry has taken years to understand this, which is why many companies have started using psychometric tests and behavioral interviews as part of the selection process.
When going for a new recruit, well-managed companies will consider job fitness (they may give some weightage to location for some jobs, but otherwise focus on competencies).
I know some job hoppers who used to change companies three times a year. This behavior is not because of their managers, better salary, or company; it's all about attitude.
Most of your statements are illogical. While you may be able to find people for factory work or semi-skilled positions from the local area, when searching for highly skilled, high-tech professionals, prioritizing locals may require a change in corporate objectives.
Let's consider companies in the Middle East. Seventy-five percent of people working in UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, etc., are from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, China, Philippines, and they are not experiencing turnover issues. Equal employment opportunity (EEO) is an internationally accepted HR philosophy, and companies are striving to implement this while managing diversity in organizations. Having only locals in a team is a rigid idea that may not add value to the organization.
Managers should monitor the activities of their team members (not policing, but being aware of team performance and work status). Therefore, team members should seek approval for leaves and attendance regularization.
Who told you that there is no social life for non-locals? Visit hotels, malls, and cinemas in Mumbai, Chennai, Delhi, or Bangalore and observe. This perspective may be personal and not based on observation or analysis. No company will grant long leaves to employees without genuine reasons. Both locals and non-locals require prior approval for extended leaves.
Please read good materials on human resources management, managing diversity in organizations, organizational behavior, team building, etc. You can find valuable posts on citehr itself.
The entire business scenario is changing at a fast pace, and today, geographical boundaries are no longer hurdles for enterprising people. This is evident in the increase in foreign direct investment (FDI), outsourced projects, employment opportunities, and foreign exchange. Ultimately, India is renowned for its unity in diversity.
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It is quite unfortunate to read your post. How can you generalize like this?
HR Management is a profession backed with hundreds of years of research, knowledge, and the efforts of thousands of people around the world. It is the most sensitive and dynamic management stream.
People switch from job to job not only because of better salary, company, or manager, but because of their 'attitude'. The industry has taken years to understand this, which is why many companies have started using psychometric tests and behavioral interviews as part of the selection process.
When going for a new recruit, well-managed companies will consider job fitness (they may give some weightage to location for some jobs, but otherwise focus on competencies).
I know some job hoppers who used to change companies three times a year. This behavior is not because of their managers, better salary, or company; it's all about attitude.
Most of your statements are illogical. While you may be able to find people for factory work or semi-skilled positions from the local area, when searching for highly skilled, high-tech professionals, prioritizing locals may require a change in corporate objectives.
Let's consider companies in the Middle East. Seventy-five percent of people working in UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, etc., are from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, China, Philippines, and they are not experiencing turnover issues. Equal employment opportunity (EEO) is an internationally accepted HR philosophy, and companies are striving to implement this while managing diversity in organizations. Having only locals in a team is a rigid idea that may not add value to the organization.
Managers should monitor the activities of their team members (not policing, but being aware of team performance and work status). Therefore, team members should seek approval for leaves and attendance regularization.
Who told you that there is no social life for non-locals? Visit hotels, malls, and cinemas in Mumbai, Chennai, Delhi, or Bangalore and observe. This perspective may be personal and not based on observation or analysis. No company will grant long leaves to employees without genuine reasons. Both locals and non-locals require prior approval for extended leaves.
Please read good materials on human resources management, managing diversity in organizations, organizational behavior, team building, etc. You can find valuable posts on citehr itself.
The entire business scenario is changing at a fast pace, and today, geographical boundaries are no longer hurdles for enterprising people. This is evident in the increase in foreign direct investment (FDI), outsourced projects, employment opportunities, and foreign exchange. Ultimately, India is renowned for its unity in diversity.
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WITH THIS STORY AS A CONCLUSION I AM ENDING THIS THREAD HERE
NO MORE REPLIES WILL BE GIVEN BY ME AS PEOPLE ARE GETTING PERSONAL & EMOTIONAL AND DIVERTING ME FROM THE TOPIC
Our Expectations
A turtle family went on a picnic. The turtles, being naturally slow
about things, took seven years to prepare for their outings. Finally
the Turtle family left home looking for a suitable place. During the
second year of their journey they found it. For about six months they
cleaned up the area, unpacked the picnic basket, and completed the
arrangements.
Then they discovered they had forgotten the salt. A picnic without
salt would be a disaster, they all agreed. After a lengthy discussion,
the youngest turtle was chosen to retrieve the salt from home.
Although he was the fastest of the slow moving turtles, the little
turtle whined, cried, and wobbled in his shell.
He agreed to go on one condition: that no one would eat until he
returned. The family consented and the little turtle left. Three years
passed and the little turtle had not returned. Five years â Six
years... Then in the seventh year of his absence, the oldest turtle
could no longer contain his hunger. He announced that he was going to
eat and began to unwrap a sandwich. At that point the little turtle
suddenly popped out from behind a tree shouting, "SEE I knew you
wouldn't wait. Now I am not going to go get the salt."
Lesson Learned:
Some of us waste our time waiting for people to live up to our
expectations. We are so concerned about what others are doing that we
don't do anything ourselves.
From India, Mumbai
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NO MORE REPLIES WILL BE GIVEN BY ME AS PEOPLE ARE GETTING PERSONAL & EMOTIONAL AND DIVERTING ME FROM THE TOPIC
Our Expectations
A turtle family went on a picnic. The turtles, being naturally slow
about things, took seven years to prepare for their outings. Finally
the Turtle family left home looking for a suitable place. During the
second year of their journey they found it. For about six months they
cleaned up the area, unpacked the picnic basket, and completed the
arrangements.
Then they discovered they had forgotten the salt. A picnic without
salt would be a disaster, they all agreed. After a lengthy discussion,
the youngest turtle was chosen to retrieve the salt from home.
Although he was the fastest of the slow moving turtles, the little
turtle whined, cried, and wobbled in his shell.
He agreed to go on one condition: that no one would eat until he
returned. The family consented and the little turtle left. Three years
passed and the little turtle had not returned. Five years â Six
years... Then in the seventh year of his absence, the oldest turtle
could no longer contain his hunger. He announced that he was going to
eat and began to unwrap a sandwich. At that point the little turtle
suddenly popped out from behind a tree shouting, "SEE I knew you
wouldn't wait. Now I am not going to go get the salt."
Lesson Learned:
Some of us waste our time waiting for people to live up to our
expectations. We are so concerned about what others are doing that we
don't do anything ourselves.
From India, Mumbai
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