Dear All, I am attaching compressed gas cylinders SOP for storage and Handling. Please suggest changes if any. Regards, Sudhir
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Hi Sudhir,
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Most useful papers related to safety in the industry will help reduce accidents in the factory. As a Management consultant and Trainer, I conduct training programs on Six Sigma, TPM, Kaizen, Lean, Safety, etc. Anyone interested can reach me at "ace_placements2007@yahoo.co.in" or on cell 9890752690.
Keep on posting.
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Dear Mr. Sudhir,
Thank you for sharing the attachment with us. It's a good document, no doubt, but not perfect. Can you help me in bringing clarity to the following:
How much distance should be maintained while transporting and in use between oxygen and fuel gas (LPG or DA)? If you can provide a reference to any act or rule, it would be very helpful to me. Also, may I suggest adding this to your procedure?
Thank you.
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Thank you for sharing the attachment with us. It's a good document, no doubt, but not perfect. Can you help me in bringing clarity to the following:
How much distance should be maintained while transporting and in use between oxygen and fuel gas (LPG or DA)? If you can provide a reference to any act or rule, it would be very helpful to me. Also, may I suggest adding this to your procedure?
Thank you.
From India
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Dear Mr. Dipil,
To the best of my knowledge, the Acts or Rules such as the Factories Act and the Compressed Cylinder Rules are silent on the distance to be kept between the oxygen and fuel gas. However, good engineering practices would recommend using a combined trolley for transportation. You have to ensure that the LPG or DA does not leak and that the hoses are free from cracks. The red hose should be used for fuel gas, and the black hose for oxygen. If you have any different views, please share.
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Sudhir
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To the best of my knowledge, the Acts or Rules such as the Factories Act and the Compressed Cylinder Rules are silent on the distance to be kept between the oxygen and fuel gas. However, good engineering practices would recommend using a combined trolley for transportation. You have to ensure that the LPG or DA does not leak and that the hoses are free from cracks. The red hose should be used for fuel gas, and the black hose for oxygen. If you have any different views, please share.
Regards,
Sudhir
From India, Vadodara
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Dear Sudhir,
Thanks for your feedback. Go through the attachment. In this accident, 3 persons died. In almost 99% of places in India, gas cylinders are being shifted in such types of vehicles, and in the same, both fuel and oxygen cylinders are mixed up.
In my opinion, the industry-wide practice of transporting both oxygen and fuel gas in one trolley is also not safe. If they are transported in one trolley, they will be kept together in the cylinder even while in use.
I request all members to go through the attachment and comment on safe transportation (1. In Site (Internal) and 2. from Supplier to Site) and the safe distance to be kept while the cylinders are in use.
Thank you.
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Thanks for your feedback. Go through the attachment. In this accident, 3 persons died. In almost 99% of places in India, gas cylinders are being shifted in such types of vehicles, and in the same, both fuel and oxygen cylinders are mixed up.
In my opinion, the industry-wide practice of transporting both oxygen and fuel gas in one trolley is also not safe. If they are transported in one trolley, they will be kept together in the cylinder even while in use.
I request all members to go through the attachment and comment on safe transportation (1. In Site (Internal) and 2. from Supplier to Site) and the safe distance to be kept while the cylinders are in use.
Thank you.
From India
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Dear Mr. Dipil,
This refers to earlier post.
I was thinking transportation within the Factory Premises, which is usually done on a manual trolley.
Thank you very much for pictures, it will be good for trainings.
As per the fire chemistry, fire will take place only if following three things combine together
1. Oxygen
2. Fuel
3. Spark
I feel in the above incident while the Oxygen Cylinders were being unloaded, one must have rolled over LPG Cylinder, causing friction there by generating spark.
Probably the LPG was leaking which caught fire and exploded.
Please refer to the photograph no 2 on page no 1 of your pdf file.
According to me the
1. LPG Cylinder looks to be expired.
2. Cylinder Valve is not proper
3. Valve safety ring is not visible in the photograph no.2
4. Every possibility that cylinder was leaking.
After the expiry of cylinders these are taken out of circulation, and send to Authorized Agency for Inspection, Hydro Pressure Test after which if found OK, can be reused again. Such agencies have very strict rules and regulations. I have audited one such party, these parties take care of all the Tests and have perfect records.
Please find attached herewith the abstract of Gas Cylinder Rules and refer rule 35 on page no 17. It is clearly mentioned that the Fuel gas Cylinders should not be transported together with any other gas.
Therefore your question of “how much distance to be kept while transportation” is answered.
We will have to train the procurement engineers to make a Purchase Order clause “that Fuel Gas Cylinders shall be supplied separately”, although at slightly extra freight.
Your pictures would help convince Procurement Engineers. Thanks again.
Best Regards,
Sudhir
From India, Vadodara
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This refers to earlier post.
I was thinking transportation within the Factory Premises, which is usually done on a manual trolley.
Thank you very much for pictures, it will be good for trainings.
As per the fire chemistry, fire will take place only if following three things combine together
1. Oxygen
2. Fuel
3. Spark
I feel in the above incident while the Oxygen Cylinders were being unloaded, one must have rolled over LPG Cylinder, causing friction there by generating spark.
Probably the LPG was leaking which caught fire and exploded.
Please refer to the photograph no 2 on page no 1 of your pdf file.
According to me the
1. LPG Cylinder looks to be expired.
2. Cylinder Valve is not proper
3. Valve safety ring is not visible in the photograph no.2
4. Every possibility that cylinder was leaking.
After the expiry of cylinders these are taken out of circulation, and send to Authorized Agency for Inspection, Hydro Pressure Test after which if found OK, can be reused again. Such agencies have very strict rules and regulations. I have audited one such party, these parties take care of all the Tests and have perfect records.
Please find attached herewith the abstract of Gas Cylinder Rules and refer rule 35 on page no 17. It is clearly mentioned that the Fuel gas Cylinders should not be transported together with any other gas.
Therefore your question of “how much distance to be kept while transportation” is answered.
We will have to train the procurement engineers to make a Purchase Order clause “that Fuel Gas Cylinders shall be supplied separately”, although at slightly extra freight.
Your pictures would help convince Procurement Engineers. Thanks again.
Best Regards,
Sudhir
From India, Vadodara
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Dear Sir,
Thank you for your feedback and for attaching the abstract of the gas cylinder rules. I have attached a photograph of the gas cylinder trolley that is mostly used by us. Please review it and provide your comments on the following:
1. Is this internal transportation safe?
2. If both cylinders are placed on this trolley during use, is it safe? If not, what is the recommended distance between them?
Thank you in advance for your insights and for sharing your expertise with us.
From India
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Thank you for your feedback and for attaching the abstract of the gas cylinder rules. I have attached a photograph of the gas cylinder trolley that is mostly used by us. Please review it and provide your comments on the following:
1. Is this internal transportation safe?
2. If both cylinders are placed on this trolley during use, is it safe? If not, what is the recommended distance between them?
Thank you in advance for your insights and for sharing your expertise with us.
From India
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Hi, Very useful information to all employees especially those who are working at industries (technical).
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Dear Sir,
Asudhir17, in your document, you mentioned:
"Empty and full cylinders should be stored in separate areas."
Why should empty and full cylinders be stored separately? I know it is easier for identification during transportation. Is there any other reason?
Thank you.
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Asudhir17, in your document, you mentioned:
"Empty and full cylinders should be stored in separate areas."
Why should empty and full cylinders be stored separately? I know it is easier for identification during transportation. Is there any other reason?
Thank you.
From India
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