Attitude is everything.
Is attitude the "be all end all" in life? Is attitude the most important thing to be considered during recruitment, career development, etc.? Is this what is of utmost importance even in a sales job where "numbers" mean everything?
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Bala
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21Is attitude the "be all end all" in life? Is attitude the most important thing to be considered during recruitment, career development, etc.? Is this what is of utmost importance even in a sales job where "numbers" mean everything?
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Bala
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I have read your article.
First, ATTITUDE could be defined as a state of mind. It is the product of a number of levels of factors.
TOP LEVEL ----- behavior. This is what people see and make judgments on behavior. But people call it attitude.
BELOW BEHAVIOR is the state of mind, what we call the attitude [positive or negative]. People make value judgments on attitude, but really people should use descriptive terms because the state of mind is a product of feelings.
BELOW the state of mind is the FEELINGS.
BELOW the feelings level is the NEEDS. FEELINGS ARE created by the needs.
FINALLY THE NEEDS itself is a product of your values.
HENCE THE
-VALUES create needs
-NEEDS create feelings
-FEELINGS create state of mind
-STATE OF MIND [ATTITUDE] creates behavior. BEHAVIOR IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE SEE AND MAKE JUDGMENTS.
HENCE, WHEN WE CONDUCT INTERVIEWS
-FOR SELECTION
-FOR CAREER PLAN ETC
WE SHOULD TRAIN OUR QUESTIONS TO DETERMINE
-VALUES
-APTITUDE
-EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE TO DETERMINE THE RIGHT CHOICE.
INDIVIDUAL ATTITUDE [STATE OF MIND] PLAYS, NOT A MAJOR PART, IN THE SELECTION/CAREER PLAN.
REGARDS
LEO LINGHAM
From India, Mumbai
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First, ATTITUDE could be defined as a state of mind. It is the product of a number of levels of factors.
TOP LEVEL ----- behavior. This is what people see and make judgments on behavior. But people call it attitude.
BELOW BEHAVIOR is the state of mind, what we call the attitude [positive or negative]. People make value judgments on attitude, but really people should use descriptive terms because the state of mind is a product of feelings.
BELOW the state of mind is the FEELINGS.
BELOW the feelings level is the NEEDS. FEELINGS ARE created by the needs.
FINALLY THE NEEDS itself is a product of your values.
HENCE THE
-VALUES create needs
-NEEDS create feelings
-FEELINGS create state of mind
-STATE OF MIND [ATTITUDE] creates behavior. BEHAVIOR IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE SEE AND MAKE JUDGMENTS.
HENCE, WHEN WE CONDUCT INTERVIEWS
-FOR SELECTION
-FOR CAREER PLAN ETC
WE SHOULD TRAIN OUR QUESTIONS TO DETERMINE
-VALUES
-APTITUDE
-EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE TO DETERMINE THE RIGHT CHOICE.
INDIVIDUAL ATTITUDE [STATE OF MIND] PLAYS, NOT A MAJOR PART, IN THE SELECTION/CAREER PLAN.
REGARDS
LEO LINGHAM
From India, Mumbai
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Thanks, bala.
Attitude has been not only a subject of study in social psychology, but my master's and doctoral-level works also contained attitude. But as of today, when I think that a judge's attitude determines the outcome in a matter and neither the law nor the justice, I really get shaken. The invisible attitude determines everything and not the visible ones. So the more you study and ponder over attitude, the more you come to the conclusion that attitude is everything - even life and death.
We shall continue interaction.
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From India, Delhi
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Attitude has been not only a subject of study in social psychology, but my master's and doctoral-level works also contained attitude. But as of today, when I think that a judge's attitude determines the outcome in a matter and neither the law nor the justice, I really get shaken. The invisible attitude determines everything and not the visible ones. So the more you study and ponder over attitude, the more you come to the conclusion that attitude is everything - even life and death.
We shall continue interaction.
Regards
From India, Delhi
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Namaskar. Psychometry/psychology is a science of probabilty. No such opinion can be given. regards
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We can also look at Behavior being the output of Habits which are reinforced by Actions which are triggered by Thoughts... Thoughts — > Actions — > Habits — > Behavior Sanath
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Dear Bala,
I found your article very interesting and I would like to share with the rest of HRCite friends, my views.
Please do allow me to side-track a bit. 😊
I am an aikidoka and have been practicing for the past 5 years. For those who are unfamiliar with Aikido, it is a Japanese martial art of self-defense that promotes a non-aggressive nature. In fact, we do not have competition at all, as it goes against our philosophy and everything we are taught by the founder. Anyway, I noticed that I began to think differently, work differently, live differently - nothing forced, just a natural change. And I see this slowly developing in junior belts, especially their confidence and outlook. My interest then led me to analyze Aikido in detail and to try to determine how this change came about.
To cut the long story short, I would like to summarize that Aikido provided a training space for our attitude, to generate a positive outlook towards ourselves and others. Through practice and being constantly faced with situations that require a calm mind, a protective alertness, and maintaining a constant state of relaxation, we become firmer as people and develop a strong mental approach towards life and work.
After a while, I grew less stressed in the traffic jam. I learned to take it as a personal space where I am alone with my thoughts. I am able to take a step back and approach problems and situations with a calm mind... and many others... because my attitude has been tuned to imagine as if I were in the dojo and face everything like an attack. My attitude is continuously being trained to be in harmony with my surroundings and my universe. And now, how I look at life is to continuously maintain that fragile balance of harmony. I still make mistakes, but my attitude now forces me to learn from them and does not allow my ego to control the outcome of my mistakes.
In other words, my attitude has become the mode of how I perceive everything around me. Yes, I would have to vote that attitude is the "be all, end all."
Thanks for listening.
Regards 😉
From Malaysia, Johor Bahru
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I found your article very interesting and I would like to share with the rest of HRCite friends, my views.
Please do allow me to side-track a bit. 😊
I am an aikidoka and have been practicing for the past 5 years. For those who are unfamiliar with Aikido, it is a Japanese martial art of self-defense that promotes a non-aggressive nature. In fact, we do not have competition at all, as it goes against our philosophy and everything we are taught by the founder. Anyway, I noticed that I began to think differently, work differently, live differently - nothing forced, just a natural change. And I see this slowly developing in junior belts, especially their confidence and outlook. My interest then led me to analyze Aikido in detail and to try to determine how this change came about.
To cut the long story short, I would like to summarize that Aikido provided a training space for our attitude, to generate a positive outlook towards ourselves and others. Through practice and being constantly faced with situations that require a calm mind, a protective alertness, and maintaining a constant state of relaxation, we become firmer as people and develop a strong mental approach towards life and work.
After a while, I grew less stressed in the traffic jam. I learned to take it as a personal space where I am alone with my thoughts. I am able to take a step back and approach problems and situations with a calm mind... and many others... because my attitude has been tuned to imagine as if I were in the dojo and face everything like an attack. My attitude is continuously being trained to be in harmony with my surroundings and my universe. And now, how I look at life is to continuously maintain that fragile balance of harmony. I still make mistakes, but my attitude now forces me to learn from them and does not allow my ego to control the outcome of my mistakes.
In other words, my attitude has become the mode of how I perceive everything around me. Yes, I would have to vote that attitude is the "be all, end all."
Thanks for listening.
Regards 😉
From Malaysia, Johor Bahru
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Dear noel,
Namaskar.
Happy to know about being an aikidoka. Aikidoka practice the Japanese martial art of Aikido for self-defense, which promotes a non-aggressive nature. In fact, Aikido does not have any competitions as it goes against our philosophy and everything taught by the founder.
In other words, my attitude has become the mode of how I perceive everything around me. Yes, I would have to say that attitude is the "be all, end all."
Negative happenings are expected to be inevitable in self-defense, which are to be defended against. The first mantra of our ZERO PATHOLOGY GANGA is:
"Let us attain perfection and pleasures in the constant flow of the most favorable decisions and happenings to us and the extinction of all unfavorable decisions and happenings against us instantly, perfectly, permanently, and spontaneously."
In this regard, you are invited to join the thread "Power of thought" initiated by Rajat Joshi.
The second quote above does not specifically address recruitment and career development. Bala inquires about that. Your vote is in general. Please link it up to recruitment and career development.
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From India, Delhi
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Namaskar.
Happy to know about being an aikidoka. Aikidoka practice the Japanese martial art of Aikido for self-defense, which promotes a non-aggressive nature. In fact, Aikido does not have any competitions as it goes against our philosophy and everything taught by the founder.
In other words, my attitude has become the mode of how I perceive everything around me. Yes, I would have to say that attitude is the "be all, end all."
Negative happenings are expected to be inevitable in self-defense, which are to be defended against. The first mantra of our ZERO PATHOLOGY GANGA is:
"Let us attain perfection and pleasures in the constant flow of the most favorable decisions and happenings to us and the extinction of all unfavorable decisions and happenings against us instantly, perfectly, permanently, and spontaneously."
In this regard, you are invited to join the thread "Power of thought" initiated by Rajat Joshi.
The second quote above does not specifically address recruitment and career development. Bala inquires about that. Your vote is in general. Please link it up to recruitment and career development.
Regards
From India, Delhi
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Dear Noel,
Thank you for your article. I never knew about Aikido before. I could understand from your article that it is an art of self-defense in a non-aggressive way. Could you provide me with more information on this?
Dr. Ji,
Thank you for once again bringing up my point - is attitude the only consideration for recruitment and career development?
Thanks again to Noel. I am eager to learn more about Aikido.
Bala
From India, Madras
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Thank you for your article. I never knew about Aikido before. I could understand from your article that it is an art of self-defense in a non-aggressive way. Could you provide me with more information on this?
Dr. Ji,
Thank you for once again bringing up my point - is attitude the only consideration for recruitment and career development?
Thanks again to Noel. I am eager to learn more about Aikido.
Bala
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shri mahanta ji namaskar i would be really obliged if you please enlighten me about "Zero Pathology Ganga" regards manish
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Hi all,
I came across an inspirational story and want to share with you all.
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On Nov. 18, 1995, Itzhak Perlman, the violinist, came on stage to give a concert at Avery Fisher Hall at Lincoln Center in New York City.
If you have ever been to a Perlman concert, you know that getting on stage is no small achievement for him. He was stricken with polio as a child, and so he has braces on both legs and walks with the aid of two crutches. To see him walk across the stage one step at a time, painfully and slowly, is an awesome sight. He walks painfully, yet majestically, until he reaches his chair. Then he sits down, slowly, puts his crutches on the floor, undoes the clasps on his legs, tucks one foot back and extends the other foot forward. Then he bends down and picks up the violin, puts it under his chin, nods to the conductor and proceeds to play.
By now, the audience is used to this ritual. They sit quietly while he makes his way across the stage to his chair. They remain reverently silent while he undoes the clasps on his legs. They wait until he is ready to play.
But this time, something went wrong. Just as he finished the first few bars, one of the strings on his violin broke. You could hear it snap - it went off like gunfire across the room. There was no mistaking what that sound meant. There was no mistaking what he had to do.
We figured that he would have to get up, put on the clasps again, pick up the crutches and limp his way off stage - to either find another violin or else find another string for this one. But he didn't. Instead, he waited a moment, closed his eyes and then signaled the conductor to begin again.
The orchestra began, and he played from where he had left off. And he played with such passion and such power and such purity as they had never heard before.
Of course, anyone knows that it is impossible to play a symphonic work with just three strings. I know that, and you know that, but that night Itzhak Perlman refused to know that.
You could see him modulating, changing, re-composing the piece in his head. At one point, it sounded like he was de-tuning the strings to get new sounds from them that they had never made before.
When he finished, there was an awesome silence in the room. And then people rose and cheered. There was an extraordinary outburst of applause from every corner of the auditorium. We were all on our feet, screaming and cheering, doing everything we could to show how much we appreciated what he had done.
He smiled, wiped the sweat from his brow, raised his bow to quiet us, and then he said - not boastfully, but in a quiet, pensive, reverent tone - "You know, sometimes it is the artist's task to find out how much music you can still make with what you have left."
What a powerful line that is. It has stayed in my mind ever since I heard it. And who knows? Perhaps that is the definition of life - not just for artists but for all of us.
Here is a man who has prepared all his life to make music on a violin of four strings, who, all of a sudden, in the middle of a concert, finds himself with only three strings; so he makes music with three strings, and the music he made that night with just three strings was more beautiful, more sacred, more memorable, than any that he had ever made before, when he had four strings.
So, perhaps our task in this shaky, fast-changing, bewildering world in which we live is to make music, at first with all that we have, and then, when that is no longer possible, to make music with what we have left.
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Bala
From India, Madras
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I came across an inspirational story and want to share with you all.
Quote:
On Nov. 18, 1995, Itzhak Perlman, the violinist, came on stage to give a concert at Avery Fisher Hall at Lincoln Center in New York City.
If you have ever been to a Perlman concert, you know that getting on stage is no small achievement for him. He was stricken with polio as a child, and so he has braces on both legs and walks with the aid of two crutches. To see him walk across the stage one step at a time, painfully and slowly, is an awesome sight. He walks painfully, yet majestically, until he reaches his chair. Then he sits down, slowly, puts his crutches on the floor, undoes the clasps on his legs, tucks one foot back and extends the other foot forward. Then he bends down and picks up the violin, puts it under his chin, nods to the conductor and proceeds to play.
By now, the audience is used to this ritual. They sit quietly while he makes his way across the stage to his chair. They remain reverently silent while he undoes the clasps on his legs. They wait until he is ready to play.
But this time, something went wrong. Just as he finished the first few bars, one of the strings on his violin broke. You could hear it snap - it went off like gunfire across the room. There was no mistaking what that sound meant. There was no mistaking what he had to do.
We figured that he would have to get up, put on the clasps again, pick up the crutches and limp his way off stage - to either find another violin or else find another string for this one. But he didn't. Instead, he waited a moment, closed his eyes and then signaled the conductor to begin again.
The orchestra began, and he played from where he had left off. And he played with such passion and such power and such purity as they had never heard before.
Of course, anyone knows that it is impossible to play a symphonic work with just three strings. I know that, and you know that, but that night Itzhak Perlman refused to know that.
You could see him modulating, changing, re-composing the piece in his head. At one point, it sounded like he was de-tuning the strings to get new sounds from them that they had never made before.
When he finished, there was an awesome silence in the room. And then people rose and cheered. There was an extraordinary outburst of applause from every corner of the auditorium. We were all on our feet, screaming and cheering, doing everything we could to show how much we appreciated what he had done.
He smiled, wiped the sweat from his brow, raised his bow to quiet us, and then he said - not boastfully, but in a quiet, pensive, reverent tone - "You know, sometimes it is the artist's task to find out how much music you can still make with what you have left."
What a powerful line that is. It has stayed in my mind ever since I heard it. And who knows? Perhaps that is the definition of life - not just for artists but for all of us.
Here is a man who has prepared all his life to make music on a violin of four strings, who, all of a sudden, in the middle of a concert, finds himself with only three strings; so he makes music with three strings, and the music he made that night with just three strings was more beautiful, more sacred, more memorable, than any that he had ever made before, when he had four strings.
So, perhaps our task in this shaky, fast-changing, bewildering world in which we live is to make music, at first with all that we have, and then, when that is no longer possible, to make music with what we have left.
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Bala
From India, Madras
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Dear Dr. Jogeshwar,
Thank you for the prompt. I must have missed out on the initial discussion.
Personally, attitude is everything, mainly because attitude determines how we conduct ourselves, how we work, and most importantly, how we approach difficulties. I have always kept in mind that to determine how well one performs is when one is put in a crisis situation and still thinks rationally. Skills and knowledge can be taught and trained, but attitude is a steep hill climb, not something that can be changed easily. Unfortunately, in reality, it's a different scenario altogether in terms of recruitment.
In the company I work for, they tend to emphasize a lot on organizational compatibility and the candidate's potential to stay rather than any other factors in terms of recruitment. I do not necessarily agree 100% with this policy, but it has its merits as well as it takes into consideration the company's capacity to retain "high flyers/performers." Unless the company puts resources into being the BEST Employer, or at least has the resources to implement some form of retention strategies, I'm afraid attitude will be a secondary consideration for my company. Of course, the downside of it is, we employ second-best employees, and occasionally managers complain that they lack the proper working "attitude." I remember a saying that goes "We employ based on Skill and Knowledge, but when we fire, we fire based on Attitude."
In succession planning, attitude again is vital. The higher we climb the corporate ladder, it will mean more money, more responsibility, more backstabbing, more politicking, less time for self, less time for family, trying to balance career and work, and much more. Without a proper attitude, individuals are going to have a hard and stressful time climbing the ladder. It is evident, as we look around us, how many of us can honestly say I am stress-free (I am only referring to the destructive form of stress). I remember reading several months back that it was reported that in the UK there is a significant rise in stress-related cases. Just imagine the quality of family lives for these executives and the type of environment it would create for their children. Another reason to support ATTITUDE in succession planning is to ensure that the right candidate is promoted to be responsible for resources and management. Our perception is strongly influenced by our attitude. Our perception will then determine our decision and ultimately, our decision determines our actions.
It is my opinion, and I hope you find my sharing valuable.
Dear Bala,
Thank you for inquiring. Aikido is a great art for maintaining both physical and mental health. When we first join, we are constantly reminded to relax and breathe through our hara to stimulate and encourage our flow of ki. Not sure if you are familiar with the Japanese terms, hara is the point in our abdomen that is the source of our ki, and ki is, if I am not mistaken, pranas, what we Chinese also term as chi. In fact, aikido allows us to build up our ki level, bring our conscious level higher and of course with better flow of ki, our body becomes healthier through our body's rejuvenative process.
In the martial aspect of it, it teaches us to defend ourselves by being calm to intercept the various ways an attack can originate from. Also, it teaches us how to receive the attack by being soft so that we can bring the attack into our circle of control and thus neutralize the attack without force or unnecessary hurt to the attacker. A great way to relax after a stressful day. In fact, some people coin aikido as "dynamic yoga."
Like many other arts, I believe that we are losing the importance of the budo, or way of the warrior. We see only a winner and a loser, to bring an attacker down with the fastest and the deadliest possible way, etc. Morihei Ueshiba, the founder of aikido, created this martial art as a link between humans and our creators (aikido has only 1 religious connection, and that is the religion that each individual practitioner believes in) through the universe. It is art of love for humanity and for our nature. It is a mirror where we will find ourselves and bring ourselves to a higher plane of achievements and awareness.
Aikido is a martial art and a way of life.
There are numerous websites that talk about aikido and its application. Just google search and you'll find plenty of sites. The most popular one is the Aikido Journal website.
I think I've gone on too much and barely even touched the tip of the iceberg. Guess I better stop before I write a whole book here, but I would love to answer any questions that you have concerning aikido. It is a wonderful experience and a fantastic art for self-defense.
Regards
From Malaysia, Johor Bahru
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Thank you for the prompt. I must have missed out on the initial discussion.
Personally, attitude is everything, mainly because attitude determines how we conduct ourselves, how we work, and most importantly, how we approach difficulties. I have always kept in mind that to determine how well one performs is when one is put in a crisis situation and still thinks rationally. Skills and knowledge can be taught and trained, but attitude is a steep hill climb, not something that can be changed easily. Unfortunately, in reality, it's a different scenario altogether in terms of recruitment.
In the company I work for, they tend to emphasize a lot on organizational compatibility and the candidate's potential to stay rather than any other factors in terms of recruitment. I do not necessarily agree 100% with this policy, but it has its merits as well as it takes into consideration the company's capacity to retain "high flyers/performers." Unless the company puts resources into being the BEST Employer, or at least has the resources to implement some form of retention strategies, I'm afraid attitude will be a secondary consideration for my company. Of course, the downside of it is, we employ second-best employees, and occasionally managers complain that they lack the proper working "attitude." I remember a saying that goes "We employ based on Skill and Knowledge, but when we fire, we fire based on Attitude."
In succession planning, attitude again is vital. The higher we climb the corporate ladder, it will mean more money, more responsibility, more backstabbing, more politicking, less time for self, less time for family, trying to balance career and work, and much more. Without a proper attitude, individuals are going to have a hard and stressful time climbing the ladder. It is evident, as we look around us, how many of us can honestly say I am stress-free (I am only referring to the destructive form of stress). I remember reading several months back that it was reported that in the UK there is a significant rise in stress-related cases. Just imagine the quality of family lives for these executives and the type of environment it would create for their children. Another reason to support ATTITUDE in succession planning is to ensure that the right candidate is promoted to be responsible for resources and management. Our perception is strongly influenced by our attitude. Our perception will then determine our decision and ultimately, our decision determines our actions.
It is my opinion, and I hope you find my sharing valuable.
Dear Bala,
Thank you for inquiring. Aikido is a great art for maintaining both physical and mental health. When we first join, we are constantly reminded to relax and breathe through our hara to stimulate and encourage our flow of ki. Not sure if you are familiar with the Japanese terms, hara is the point in our abdomen that is the source of our ki, and ki is, if I am not mistaken, pranas, what we Chinese also term as chi. In fact, aikido allows us to build up our ki level, bring our conscious level higher and of course with better flow of ki, our body becomes healthier through our body's rejuvenative process.
In the martial aspect of it, it teaches us to defend ourselves by being calm to intercept the various ways an attack can originate from. Also, it teaches us how to receive the attack by being soft so that we can bring the attack into our circle of control and thus neutralize the attack without force or unnecessary hurt to the attacker. A great way to relax after a stressful day. In fact, some people coin aikido as "dynamic yoga."
Like many other arts, I believe that we are losing the importance of the budo, or way of the warrior. We see only a winner and a loser, to bring an attacker down with the fastest and the deadliest possible way, etc. Morihei Ueshiba, the founder of aikido, created this martial art as a link between humans and our creators (aikido has only 1 religious connection, and that is the religion that each individual practitioner believes in) through the universe. It is art of love for humanity and for our nature. It is a mirror where we will find ourselves and bring ourselves to a higher plane of achievements and awareness.
Aikido is a martial art and a way of life.
There are numerous websites that talk about aikido and its application. Just google search and you'll find plenty of sites. The most popular one is the Aikido Journal website.
I think I've gone on too much and barely even touched the tip of the iceberg. Guess I better stop before I write a whole book here, but I would love to answer any questions that you have concerning aikido. It is a wonderful experience and a fantastic art for self-defense.
Regards
From Malaysia, Johor Bahru
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in which we live is to make music, at first with all that we have,
and then, when that is no longer possible, to make music with what
we have left.”
Zero Pathology Ganga
Thanks to all of you for so much interest to know about Zero Pathology Ganga. I had made a reference of it as I thought that the underlying attitude in Aikido appeared to me as paradoxical . First, anticipate that there will be attack on self and then go on defending the imaginary attacks even though there is no attack in view. One basic cosmic principle is now becoming popular that expectation causes happening. So very expectation of attack, I think, is against this theory. Only time will tell whether such a theory is correct.
Leaving aside the cosmic theory, let us come to lower logical ground. There was a psychologist. He wanted to prove that psychiatrists can make erroneous diagnosis. So he trained a dummy as schizophrenic for admission into the mental hospital. The dummy was admitted and remained as long as the psychologist had wished. The dummy could not be detected at all that he was a fake case l. After the dummy came out. the psychologist informed the hospital authorities about his success. After a few days he told the authorities that he has already sent then a number of dummies without sending even one. This time the hospital authorities re-examined all fresh cases and discharged about 10% of the iagnosed schizophrenics. So an obsession may vitiate accuracy of judgment.
Now let us come to “Zero pathology Ganga “. This is the name of our morning exercise group. It is so named because one is to ascend the stages of rahat(relief), arogya(cure) and niroga(ailment freeness). There is no guru, no chela and no leader. Every body has veto power means every decision be taken only with 100% consensus. Of course, I work as a threader.
First when we meet we greet as-Good morning brother(s)! Cheer up and gear up and march ahead. Then every one does his physical exercise as he likes. Some do individually and some in sub groups. Then comes mental/thought transmission segment. Here every one participates. The sequence is:
1. Om chandrasuryabhyam namah,
2. Om sarbadevebhya namah,
3. Mrityunjaya mantra,
4. Gayatri mantra,
5. Full breath Om 21 times,
6. Bhramari/closed lips om 7 times.
7. Then desired thought transmission mantras as:
THOUGHT TRANSMISSION MANTRAS
1. Let us attain perfection and pleasures in the constant flow of the
most favorable decisions and happenings to us and extinction of all unfavorable decisions and happenings against us instantly, perfectly, permanently and spontaneously.
2.Let us have
breath in our nostrils,
voice in our mouths,
sight in our eyes,
hearing in our ears,
hair that has not turned gray,
teeth that are not discolored and
much strength in our arms.
Let all our organs remain unimpaired
and our souls in peace and harmony.
3.Let us attain perfection and pleasures in simultaneous and
spontaneous regeneration, fresh generation, repair, readaptation,
regularities and cell health medicines instantly, perfectly,
permanently and spontaneously.
4.Let us attain perfection and pleasures in feeling free, relaxed,
comfortable, reorganized and produce and progress instantly,
perfectly, permanently and spontaneously.
5.Let us attain perfection and pleasures in the constant flow of
clear, vivid and correct feelings and ideas and not any wrong
feeling and idea instantly, perfectly, permanently and
spontaneously.
8. Laughter session
9. Then
Sarbe bhabantu sukhinah,
Sarbe santu niramayah,
Sarbe bhadrani pashyantu,
Ma kaschit duhkhahbhag bhabet.
10. Then parting;
OK brothers! Cheer up and gear up and march ahead .
regards
From India, Delhi
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Namaskar. Thanks and Most welcome Bala. To stand up and progress vicarious effect is essential. regards "Oops forgot to ask, Dr. Jogeshwar, what is Zero pathology Ganga?" Noel
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Thanks to all of you for so much interest in knowing about Zero Pathology Ganga. I had made a reference to it as I thought that the underlying attitude in Aikido appeared to me as paradoxical. First, anticipate that there will be an attack on the self and then go on defending the imaginary attacks even though there is no attack in view. One basic cosmic principle is now becoming popular: expectation causes happening. So, the very expectation of an attack, I think, is against this theory. Only time will tell whether such a theory is correct.
Dear Dr. Jogeshwar,
I agree with that line of thought, "expectation causes happening." For example, if we are conscious of, let's say, a WHITE HONDA CIVIC, we will begin to notice, "Hey, there are quite a number of people with a white Honda." Humans tend to engage in selective reasoning, always looking out for evidence that will prove or disprove our beliefs, and not daring to put reality in the forefront. We tend to want to create and live in our fantasy world. A fantasy world where we are comfortable, where we can have reasons for our joy and suffering. Yes, this fantasy world most of the time includes our misery and pain. Aikido has taught me not to anticipate, for anticipation can lead to miscommunication and injuries. In fact, aikido trains me to observe the real situation, and not the situation that I perceive. It made me look at myself deeply, for perception begins with me. In order to move to a higher level of humanity, I am required to first conquer the self, the first and the hardest step.
Regards (Be 2 Big for Worry and 2 Noble for Anger)
From Malaysia, Johor Bahru
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Dear Dr. Jogeshwar,
I agree with that line of thought, "expectation causes happening." For example, if we are conscious of, let's say, a WHITE HONDA CIVIC, we will begin to notice, "Hey, there are quite a number of people with a white Honda." Humans tend to engage in selective reasoning, always looking out for evidence that will prove or disprove our beliefs, and not daring to put reality in the forefront. We tend to want to create and live in our fantasy world. A fantasy world where we are comfortable, where we can have reasons for our joy and suffering. Yes, this fantasy world most of the time includes our misery and pain. Aikido has taught me not to anticipate, for anticipation can lead to miscommunication and injuries. In fact, aikido trains me to observe the real situation, and not the situation that I perceive. It made me look at myself deeply, for perception begins with me. In order to move to a higher level of humanity, I am required to first conquer the self, the first and the hardest step.
Regards (Be 2 Big for Worry and 2 Noble for Anger)
From Malaysia, Johor Bahru
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Dear Noel,
I agree with the point that expectation causes things to happen. Anticipation could lead to miscommunication (this has happened to me several times and still keeps happening). I also agree that we need to look at the real situation rather than perception. However, this goes against the often flaunted theory that "perception is reality." It is even worse if it is "my perception is always my reality" and someone else's perception doesn't matter. This notion of "perception is reality" is something I hear almost every day, and now I fear that I am also moving towards the same psychology.
Thanks,
Bala
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I agree with the point that expectation causes things to happen. Anticipation could lead to miscommunication (this has happened to me several times and still keeps happening). I also agree that we need to look at the real situation rather than perception. However, this goes against the often flaunted theory that "perception is reality." It is even worse if it is "my perception is always my reality" and someone else's perception doesn't matter. This notion of "perception is reality" is something I hear almost every day, and now I fear that I am also moving towards the same psychology.
Thanks,
Bala
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Dear Noel,
I agree with the point that expectation causes happenings. Anticipation could lead to miscommunication (this has happened to me several times and still keeps happening). I also agree that we need to look at the real situation rather than perception. However, this goes against the theory that "perception is reality" which is often flaunted. It is even worse if it is believed that "my perception is always my reality" and somebody else's perception doesn't matter. The constant notion of "perception is reality" that I hear almost every day makes me fear that I am also moving towards the same psychology.
Thanks,
Bala
Namaskar Balaji and friends,
Noel is yet to respond. However, I would like to share my observations on Balaji's realization.
Thanks to Dale Carnegie, the term "positive thinking" has been widely used. Instead of just thinking positively, many people now claim their thinking is positive and focus on how to cultivate it. It is not necessary that every thought we support is positive. So, how do we extract positive thoughts? To achieve this, let us engage in a dialogue with our thoughts.
Jogeshwar - Mr. Thought A, I hold you dear. Do you reciprocate?
Thought - Yes, yes?
J - Really?
A - (hesitant) Yes, yes, I do reciprocate.
J - Do I benefit from your favor in the short and long term?
A - (silent)
J - By favor, I mean whether you are beneficial to me and not harmful.
A - (feels troubled)
J - Listen, dear A, unless you are favorable to me, I cannot entertain you any longer. Please leave my consciousness.
Now, one can engage in dialogues with both old and new thoughts to distinguish the favorable and positive ones from the unfavorable and negative ones.
Regards,
From India, Delhi
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I agree with the point that expectation causes happenings. Anticipation could lead to miscommunication (this has happened to me several times and still keeps happening). I also agree that we need to look at the real situation rather than perception. However, this goes against the theory that "perception is reality" which is often flaunted. It is even worse if it is believed that "my perception is always my reality" and somebody else's perception doesn't matter. The constant notion of "perception is reality" that I hear almost every day makes me fear that I am also moving towards the same psychology.
Thanks,
Bala
Namaskar Balaji and friends,
Noel is yet to respond. However, I would like to share my observations on Balaji's realization.
Thanks to Dale Carnegie, the term "positive thinking" has been widely used. Instead of just thinking positively, many people now claim their thinking is positive and focus on how to cultivate it. It is not necessary that every thought we support is positive. So, how do we extract positive thoughts? To achieve this, let us engage in a dialogue with our thoughts.
Jogeshwar - Mr. Thought A, I hold you dear. Do you reciprocate?
Thought - Yes, yes?
J - Really?
A - (hesitant) Yes, yes, I do reciprocate.
J - Do I benefit from your favor in the short and long term?
A - (silent)
J - By favor, I mean whether you are beneficial to me and not harmful.
A - (feels troubled)
J - Listen, dear A, unless you are favorable to me, I cannot entertain you any longer. Please leave my consciousness.
Now, one can engage in dialogues with both old and new thoughts to distinguish the favorable and positive ones from the unfavorable and negative ones.
Regards,
From India, Delhi
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Wonderfully said, Dr. J (if you don't mind the short reference). Nicely describing self-analysis. Before I continue, I would like to share a few thoughts on Bala's statement, "my perception is my reality."
Our human mind is a magnificent work of creation; it has the capability to perform work that never ceases to amaze researchers. However, it can also be used to blind ourselves if we want it to. "My perception is my reality" is a saying that allows people to justify themselves for staying in their comfort zone. It is very dangerous to hold onto this type of thinking because it poisons our minds and our growth as humans. That statement can be used to explain why some people do what they do because they perceive it as their reality, and it does no good for anyone as well, by holding onto this belief.
For example, Bala realizes that he is slowly inclining towards a certain behavior that you do not agree with. Something tells you it's not right. You ask, you search, therefore you question. You no longer take how you perceive as the only answer. You open yourself to opinions, sharing, criticism, ideas, and alternatives. You learn, understand, and grow. You begin to have a view of how things are in a bigger picture, maybe even begin to see meaning in things around you and why they are there, and if I may be so bold as to say, maybe start to get a hint of how you can enlighten yourself.
I believe you can achieve anything you set your mind to. My only suggestion is to once in a while ask the question "why" and be totally honest with yourself, look your answer in the eye, face it, and then decide if you should change. Remember there is no right or wrong, just who you are and what you want to be.
Dr. J, I thank you for sharing; it really makes me think. I would also like to add to your sharing that our thought process is always a "you, me, them, us" type. This, I feel, is the basic flaw in our civilization. We do not see ourselves as "Earthlings" (for lack of a better term) yet we live in the same house we call Earth. We have been so categorized that no matter how multiracial one country claims to be, we have not yet reached a stage where we think as one people because we still see ourselves as Chinese, Indians, Malays, Americans, Japanese, and ethnic cleansing like in Bosnia-Herzegovina just happens. Every society, I believe, has gone through some form of ethnic incident, and I believe all who were involved had positive thinking about themselves and what they were doing. So what happens next? Do we continue until there is a supreme race on Earth, like what Adolf Hitler tried to do? Do we want another Hitler?
The cultivation of positive thought is good, but we need to know what we are channeling or directing those thoughts for: destruction or growth.
"Earthlings of Earth Unite" :)
From Malaysia, Johor Bahru
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Our human mind is a magnificent work of creation; it has the capability to perform work that never ceases to amaze researchers. However, it can also be used to blind ourselves if we want it to. "My perception is my reality" is a saying that allows people to justify themselves for staying in their comfort zone. It is very dangerous to hold onto this type of thinking because it poisons our minds and our growth as humans. That statement can be used to explain why some people do what they do because they perceive it as their reality, and it does no good for anyone as well, by holding onto this belief.
For example, Bala realizes that he is slowly inclining towards a certain behavior that you do not agree with. Something tells you it's not right. You ask, you search, therefore you question. You no longer take how you perceive as the only answer. You open yourself to opinions, sharing, criticism, ideas, and alternatives. You learn, understand, and grow. You begin to have a view of how things are in a bigger picture, maybe even begin to see meaning in things around you and why they are there, and if I may be so bold as to say, maybe start to get a hint of how you can enlighten yourself.
I believe you can achieve anything you set your mind to. My only suggestion is to once in a while ask the question "why" and be totally honest with yourself, look your answer in the eye, face it, and then decide if you should change. Remember there is no right or wrong, just who you are and what you want to be.
Dr. J, I thank you for sharing; it really makes me think. I would also like to add to your sharing that our thought process is always a "you, me, them, us" type. This, I feel, is the basic flaw in our civilization. We do not see ourselves as "Earthlings" (for lack of a better term) yet we live in the same house we call Earth. We have been so categorized that no matter how multiracial one country claims to be, we have not yet reached a stage where we think as one people because we still see ourselves as Chinese, Indians, Malays, Americans, Japanese, and ethnic cleansing like in Bosnia-Herzegovina just happens. Every society, I believe, has gone through some form of ethnic incident, and I believe all who were involved had positive thinking about themselves and what they were doing. So what happens next? Do we continue until there is a supreme race on Earth, like what Adolf Hitler tried to do? Do we want another Hitler?
The cultivation of positive thought is good, but we need to know what we are channeling or directing those thoughts for: destruction or growth.
"Earthlings of Earth Unite" :)
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Dear Dr.,
Thank you very much for your best wishes.
Regards,
Bala
Most welcome, Balaji. My confidence in your success stems from two sources:
1. Our Zero Pathology Ganga is at the Gangotri level, but at the same time, we visualize the terrain up to Diamond Harbour.
2. Your sincerity of purpose, as reflected in your posts.
Regards,
From India, Delhi
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Thank you very much for your best wishes.
Regards,
Bala
Most welcome, Balaji. My confidence in your success stems from two sources:
1. Our Zero Pathology Ganga is at the Gangotri level, but at the same time, we visualize the terrain up to Diamond Harbour.
2. Your sincerity of purpose, as reflected in your posts.
Regards,
From India, Delhi
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"Cultivation of positive thought is good, but we need to know what we are channeling or directing those thoughts for: destruction or growth.
The whole game revolves around the meaning of this one sentence Neolji.
Regards"
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The whole game revolves around the meaning of this one sentence Neolji.
Regards"
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I cannot agree with you more. If only more people realise that the price of this game is not just our own life but the life of everyone in this home we call Earth. :wink:
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Dear Noel,
Thanks for your very purposeful comments on my note. I really appreciate and agree with what you have stated. Yes, I have started seeing things in a different light and I believe I can do it.
In a lighter vein, just look at what physicists say about 'human perception'. Not sure whether it is totally relevant to the 'perception' here, but an interesting article. Maybe Dr. could explain the psychological part of it.
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The Weber-Fechner law attempts to describe the relationship between the physical magnitudes of stimuli and human perception of the intensity of stimuli.
Ernst Heinrich Weber (1795-1878) was one of the first people to approach the study of the human response to a physical stimulus in a quantitative fashion.
Gustav Theodor Fechner (1801-1887) later offered an elaborate theoretical interpretation of Weber's findings, which he called simply Weber's law, though his admirers made the law's name a hyphenate.
Stevens' power law is generally considered to provide a more accurate and/or general description, although both the Weber-Fechner law and Stevens' power law entail implicit assumptions regarding the measurement of perceived intensity of stimuli.
In the case of the Weber-Fechner law, the implicit assumption is that just noticeable differences are additive; i.e., they can be added in an analogous manner to the addition of units of a physical quantity. Of relevance, L.L. Thurstone made explicit this assumption in terms of the concept of discriminal dispersion inherent within the Law of comparative judgment.
Fechner believed that Weber had discovered the fundamental principle of mind/body interaction, a mathematical analog of the function René Descartes once assigned to the pineal gland.
1. The case of weight
In one of his classic experiments, Weber gradually increased the weight that a blindfolded man was holding and asked him to respond when he first felt the increase. Weber found that the response was proportional to a relative increase in weight. That is to say, if the weight is 1 kg, an increase of a few grams will not be noticed. Rather, when the mass is increased by a certain factor, an increase in weight is perceived. If the mass is doubled, the threshold is also doubled.
This kind of relationship can be described by a differential equation as,
dp = k(ds/s)
where dp is the differential change in perception, dS is the differential increase in the stimulus, and S is the stimulus at the instant. A constant factor k is to be determined experimentally.
Integrating the above equation
p = k lnS + C
with C being the constant of integration, 'ln' is the natural logarithm.
To determine C, put p = 0, i.e., no perception; then
C = -k lnS0
where S0 is that threshold of stimulus below which it is not perceived at all.
Therefore, our equation becomes
p = k ln(S/S0)
The relationship between stimulus and perception is logarithmic.
This logarithmic relationship means that if the perception is altered in an arithmetic progression (i.e., add constant amounts), the corresponding stimulus varies as a geometric progression (i.e., multiply by a fixed factor).
The point is that this logarithmic relationship is valid, not just for the sensation of weight, but for other stimuli as well.
The case of vision
The eye senses brightness logarithmically. Hence stellar magnitude is measured on a logarithmic scale. This magnitude scale was invented by the ancient Greek astronomer Hipparchus in about 150 B.C. He ranked the stars he could see in terms of their brightness, with 1 representing the brightest down to 6 representing the faintest, though now the scale has been extended beyond these limits. An increase in 5 magnitudes corresponds to a decrease in brightness by a factor of 100.
The case of sound
Still another logarithmic scale is the decibel scale of sound intensity. And yet another is pitch. In the case of the perception of pitch, humans hear pitch in a logarithmic or "geometric" ratio-based fashion. For instance, the "pitch distance" between 100 Hz and 150 Hz sounds the same as 1000 Hz and 1500 Hz. The frequency of corresponding notes of adjacent octaves differs by a factor of 2. For notes spaced equally apart to the human ear, the frequencies are related by a multiplicative factor. For instance, for a 12-tone scale in equal temperament, this factor is the 12th root of 2 (twelfth root of 2). So the frequency of the A# note is the frequency of the A times the 12th root of 2, for any octave.
Economics
In 1889, the Austrian economist Friedrich Wieser, in "Natural Value," coined the phrase marginal utility for a closely-related phenomenon -- the satiation of human appetite for identical increments of a good.
"Anyone who has just taken a certain quantity of food of a certain kind will not immediately have the same strength of desire for another similar quantity," he wrote. "Within any single period of want every additional act of satisfaction will be estimated less highly than a preceding one obtained from a quantity of goods equal in kind and amount."
A non-Fechnerian interpretation of Weber's results
In 1890, the American psychologist William James described Fechner's writings on the subject of Weber's results as "patient whimsies" and said it would be a pity if Fechner should "compel all future students" of psychology "to plough through the difficulties, not only of his own works, but of the still drier ones written in his refutation."
James saw Weber's law as an accurate generalization as to the friction in the neural machinery.
"If our feelings [of weight, sight, sound, etc.] resulted from a condition of the nerve molecules which it grew ever more difficult for the stimulus to increase, our feelings would naturally grow at a slower rate than the stimulus itself. An ever larger part of the latter's work would go to overcoming the resistances, and an ever smaller part to the realization of the feeling-bringing state."
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Does it make some sense? We will have to consult a physicist, maybe.
Thanks,
Bala
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Thanks for your very purposeful comments on my note. I really appreciate and agree with what you have stated. Yes, I have started seeing things in a different light and I believe I can do it.
In a lighter vein, just look at what physicists say about 'human perception'. Not sure whether it is totally relevant to the 'perception' here, but an interesting article. Maybe Dr. could explain the psychological part of it.
Quote:
The Weber-Fechner law attempts to describe the relationship between the physical magnitudes of stimuli and human perception of the intensity of stimuli.
Ernst Heinrich Weber (1795-1878) was one of the first people to approach the study of the human response to a physical stimulus in a quantitative fashion.
Gustav Theodor Fechner (1801-1887) later offered an elaborate theoretical interpretation of Weber's findings, which he called simply Weber's law, though his admirers made the law's name a hyphenate.
Stevens' power law is generally considered to provide a more accurate and/or general description, although both the Weber-Fechner law and Stevens' power law entail implicit assumptions regarding the measurement of perceived intensity of stimuli.
In the case of the Weber-Fechner law, the implicit assumption is that just noticeable differences are additive; i.e., they can be added in an analogous manner to the addition of units of a physical quantity. Of relevance, L.L. Thurstone made explicit this assumption in terms of the concept of discriminal dispersion inherent within the Law of comparative judgment.
Fechner believed that Weber had discovered the fundamental principle of mind/body interaction, a mathematical analog of the function René Descartes once assigned to the pineal gland.
1. The case of weight
In one of his classic experiments, Weber gradually increased the weight that a blindfolded man was holding and asked him to respond when he first felt the increase. Weber found that the response was proportional to a relative increase in weight. That is to say, if the weight is 1 kg, an increase of a few grams will not be noticed. Rather, when the mass is increased by a certain factor, an increase in weight is perceived. If the mass is doubled, the threshold is also doubled.
This kind of relationship can be described by a differential equation as,
dp = k(ds/s)
where dp is the differential change in perception, dS is the differential increase in the stimulus, and S is the stimulus at the instant. A constant factor k is to be determined experimentally.
Integrating the above equation
p = k lnS + C
with C being the constant of integration, 'ln' is the natural logarithm.
To determine C, put p = 0, i.e., no perception; then
C = -k lnS0
where S0 is that threshold of stimulus below which it is not perceived at all.
Therefore, our equation becomes
p = k ln(S/S0)
The relationship between stimulus and perception is logarithmic.
This logarithmic relationship means that if the perception is altered in an arithmetic progression (i.e., add constant amounts), the corresponding stimulus varies as a geometric progression (i.e., multiply by a fixed factor).
The point is that this logarithmic relationship is valid, not just for the sensation of weight, but for other stimuli as well.
The case of vision
The eye senses brightness logarithmically. Hence stellar magnitude is measured on a logarithmic scale. This magnitude scale was invented by the ancient Greek astronomer Hipparchus in about 150 B.C. He ranked the stars he could see in terms of their brightness, with 1 representing the brightest down to 6 representing the faintest, though now the scale has been extended beyond these limits. An increase in 5 magnitudes corresponds to a decrease in brightness by a factor of 100.
The case of sound
Still another logarithmic scale is the decibel scale of sound intensity. And yet another is pitch. In the case of the perception of pitch, humans hear pitch in a logarithmic or "geometric" ratio-based fashion. For instance, the "pitch distance" between 100 Hz and 150 Hz sounds the same as 1000 Hz and 1500 Hz. The frequency of corresponding notes of adjacent octaves differs by a factor of 2. For notes spaced equally apart to the human ear, the frequencies are related by a multiplicative factor. For instance, for a 12-tone scale in equal temperament, this factor is the 12th root of 2 (twelfth root of 2). So the frequency of the A# note is the frequency of the A times the 12th root of 2, for any octave.
Economics
In 1889, the Austrian economist Friedrich Wieser, in "Natural Value," coined the phrase marginal utility for a closely-related phenomenon -- the satiation of human appetite for identical increments of a good.
"Anyone who has just taken a certain quantity of food of a certain kind will not immediately have the same strength of desire for another similar quantity," he wrote. "Within any single period of want every additional act of satisfaction will be estimated less highly than a preceding one obtained from a quantity of goods equal in kind and amount."
A non-Fechnerian interpretation of Weber's results
In 1890, the American psychologist William James described Fechner's writings on the subject of Weber's results as "patient whimsies" and said it would be a pity if Fechner should "compel all future students" of psychology "to plough through the difficulties, not only of his own works, but of the still drier ones written in his refutation."
James saw Weber's law as an accurate generalization as to the friction in the neural machinery.
"If our feelings [of weight, sight, sound, etc.] resulted from a condition of the nerve molecules which it grew ever more difficult for the stimulus to increase, our feelings would naturally grow at a slower rate than the stimulus itself. An ever larger part of the latter's work would go to overcoming the resistances, and an ever smaller part to the realization of the feeling-bringing state."
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Does it make some sense? We will have to consult a physicist, maybe.
Thanks,
Bala
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Dear friends,
Namaskar.
Balaji has brought us to a significant juncture of discussion - psychophysics in the understanding of human behavior. Psychophysics is the most rigorous scientific branch of psychology. It concerns everyone. So, I would like everyone concerned to join the discussion. I shall be posting the article covering the following aspects of psychophysics:
1. Sensation,
2. Perception,
3. Objective reality,
4. Subjective reality,
5. Relation between 3 and 4,
6. Psychophysics and Thurstonian method of attitude scale construction, and
7. World view.
Before that, let me illustrate how perception as reality helps the perceiver to live in illusion. Below are 3 posts from a certain other thread of citehr. First is a comment of a certain brother member of citehr on me. The second is my reply, and the third is his.
"nobody understands Dr. Jogeshwar Mahanta... other than he himself... I faced a similar issue when I had just joined citehr... I just couldn't comprehend his posts... no offense dear Dr. Jogeshwar Mahanta... we all love you."
"we all love you... " Dear ----, If it is not a big list, will you please tell who are included in "we"? Regards_________________Jogeshwar Mahanta "
"by "we" I meant "citehr-members"
From the perception of the brother member, the following propositions emerge:
1. Nobody understands Dr. Jogeshwar Mahanta,
2. All citehr members love Dr. Jogeshwar Mahanta.
Both the propositions are his perceptions. This is his subjective reality. But when he presents his subjective reality as objective reality by using expressions "nobody" and "citehr members," he is in illusion.
Illusions are always liabilities. Duryodhana lifted his lower robe, seeing water when there was no water, and fell down in water where it looked as if there was no water in the Indraprastha palace of the Pandavas. This caused laughter from Draupadi, and consequences followed. So, beware of illusions.
Regards
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Namaskar.
Balaji has brought us to a significant juncture of discussion - psychophysics in the understanding of human behavior. Psychophysics is the most rigorous scientific branch of psychology. It concerns everyone. So, I would like everyone concerned to join the discussion. I shall be posting the article covering the following aspects of psychophysics:
1. Sensation,
2. Perception,
3. Objective reality,
4. Subjective reality,
5. Relation between 3 and 4,
6. Psychophysics and Thurstonian method of attitude scale construction, and
7. World view.
Before that, let me illustrate how perception as reality helps the perceiver to live in illusion. Below are 3 posts from a certain other thread of citehr. First is a comment of a certain brother member of citehr on me. The second is my reply, and the third is his.
"nobody understands Dr. Jogeshwar Mahanta... other than he himself... I faced a similar issue when I had just joined citehr... I just couldn't comprehend his posts... no offense dear Dr. Jogeshwar Mahanta... we all love you."
"we all love you... " Dear ----, If it is not a big list, will you please tell who are included in "we"? Regards_________________Jogeshwar Mahanta "
"by "we" I meant "citehr-members"
From the perception of the brother member, the following propositions emerge:
1. Nobody understands Dr. Jogeshwar Mahanta,
2. All citehr members love Dr. Jogeshwar Mahanta.
Both the propositions are his perceptions. This is his subjective reality. But when he presents his subjective reality as objective reality by using expressions "nobody" and "citehr members," he is in illusion.
Illusions are always liabilities. Duryodhana lifted his lower robe, seeing water when there was no water, and fell down in water where it looked as if there was no water in the Indraprastha palace of the Pandavas. This caused laughter from Draupadi, and consequences followed. So, beware of illusions.
Regards
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Dear Dr. Ji,
You have hit right on the dot. Both propositions about you are the member's own perception, and he believes "perception is reality." He perceives that others also party to his perception could be an illusion. I say "could be" because I am also not sure about others' perceptions.
Illusions are liabilities. But more than a liability, they are also dangerous, as you pointed out with what happened to Duryodhan.
I look forward to your posts on the subject 'psychophysics' eagerly.
Thanks,
Bala
From India, Madras
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You have hit right on the dot. Both propositions about you are the member's own perception, and he believes "perception is reality." He perceives that others also party to his perception could be an illusion. I say "could be" because I am also not sure about others' perceptions.
Illusions are liabilities. But more than a liability, they are also dangerous, as you pointed out with what happened to Duryodhan.
I look forward to your posts on the subject 'psychophysics' eagerly.
Thanks,
Bala
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Dear Dr. J,
I have not read about this topic in years. I am definitely looking forward to your article on the subject. It will be a good opportunity for me to catch up.
Food for Thought: Can we really define the fine line between illusions and reality? When does one end and the other start?
To all in citeHR, have a good and happy weekend.
Smile :)
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I have not read about this topic in years. I am definitely looking forward to your article on the subject. It will be a good opportunity for me to catch up.
Food for Thought: Can we really define the fine line between illusions and reality? When does one end and the other start?
To all in citeHR, have a good and happy weekend.
Smile :)
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"Can we really define the fine line between illusions and reality?" - Noelji
Namaskar Noelji,
Thanks for your nice reply. The line between illusion and reality is a gulf as wide as east to west.
Regards
From India, Delhi
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Namaskar Noelji,
Thanks for your nice reply. The line between illusion and reality is a gulf as wide as east to west.
Regards
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Dear CiteHR friends,
Going away from perception and reality, here is an interesting story:
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Once upon a time, there were two brothers who lived on the 80th floor of a tall building.
On coming home one day, they realized, to their dismay, that the lifts were not working and that they would have to climb up the stairs. After struggling to the 20th level, panting and tired, they decided to leave their bags and thought of taking them back the next day. They left their bags there and climbed on...
By the time they had struggled to the 40th level, they had gone sufficiently mad and were irritated. The younger brother started to grumble, and soon both of them began to quarrel. They somehow continued to climb the flights of steps, quarreling all the way to the 60th floor.
They then realized that they had only 20 levels more to climb and decided to stop quarreling and continue climbing in peace. They silently climbed on and reached their apartment at long last!
Each stood calmly before the door and waited for the other to open the door. They then realized that their keys were in their bags, which were left on the 20th floor!!!
Huh, huh, huh!!!!!!
This reflects our life and times. All of us climb the tall building called 'career'... some till the 80th floor and some less. But do we know that the key to happiness is in the bag, which has been left back on the 20th floor?
Know your dreams and follow them so that you will not live with regrets. If the chariot of your life is driven by the seeds of ambition, make sure the reins of your life are held by the hands of joy.
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Going away from perception and reality, here is an interesting story:
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Once upon a time, there were two brothers who lived on the 80th floor of a tall building.
On coming home one day, they realized, to their dismay, that the lifts were not working and that they would have to climb up the stairs. After struggling to the 20th level, panting and tired, they decided to leave their bags and thought of taking them back the next day. They left their bags there and climbed on...
By the time they had struggled to the 40th level, they had gone sufficiently mad and were irritated. The younger brother started to grumble, and soon both of them began to quarrel. They somehow continued to climb the flights of steps, quarreling all the way to the 60th floor.
They then realized that they had only 20 levels more to climb and decided to stop quarreling and continue climbing in peace. They silently climbed on and reached their apartment at long last!
Each stood calmly before the door and waited for the other to open the door. They then realized that their keys were in their bags, which were left on the 20th floor!!!
Huh, huh, huh!!!!!!
This reflects our life and times. All of us climb the tall building called 'career'... some till the 80th floor and some less. But do we know that the key to happiness is in the bag, which has been left back on the 20th floor?
Know your dreams and follow them so that you will not live with regrets. If the chariot of your life is driven by the seeds of ambition, make sure the reins of your life are held by the hands of joy.
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Bala
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Namaskar everybody,
Is this Attitude or Faith.
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Years ago, I was enthralled as I listened to a pastor who for several years had faithfully served the church. His executive responsibilities had taken him all over this country. As he concluded his message, he told of one of the most frightening yet thought-provoking experiences of his life.
He had been on a long flight. The first warning of the approaching problems came when the sign on the airplane flashed on: Fasten your seat belts.’ Then, after a while, a calm voice said, ‘We shall not be serving the beverages at this time as we are expecting a little turbulence. Please be sure your seat belt is fastened.’
As he looked around the aircraft, it became obvious that many of the passengers were becoming apprehensive. Later, the voice of the announcer said, ’we are so sorry that we are unable to serve the meal at this time. The turbulence is still ahead of us.’ And then the storm broke. The ominous cracks of thunder could be heard even above the roar of the engines. Lightening lit up the darkening skies, and within moments that great plane was like a cork tossed around on a celestial ocean. One moment the airplane was lifted on terrific currents of air; the next, it dropped as if it were about to crash.
The pastor confessed that he shared the discomfort and fear of those around him. He said, ‘As I looked around the plane, I could see that nearly all the passengers were upset and alarmed. Some were praying. The future seemed ominous and many were wondering if they would make it through the storm.
And then, I suddenly saw a girl to whom the storm meant nothing. She had tucked her feet beneath her as she sat on her seat and was reading a book. Everything within her small world was calm and orderly. Sometimes she closed her eyes, then she would read again; then she would straighten her legs, but worry and fear were not in her world.
When the plane was being buffeted by the terrible storm, when it lurched this way and that, as it rose and fell with frightening severity, when all the adults were scared half to death, that marvelous child was completely composed and unafraid.’
The minister could hardly believe his eyes.
It was not surprising therefore, that when the plane finally reached its destination and all the passengers were hurrying to disembark, he lingered to speak to the girl whom he had watched for such a long time.
Having commented about the storm and behavior of the plane, he asked why she had not been afraid. The sweet child replied, ‘Sir, my Dad is the pilot, and he is taking me home.’
- Author Unknown
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Bala
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Is this Attitude or Faith.
Read Through
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Years ago, I was enthralled as I listened to a pastor who for several years had faithfully served the church. His executive responsibilities had taken him all over this country. As he concluded his message, he told of one of the most frightening yet thought-provoking experiences of his life.
He had been on a long flight. The first warning of the approaching problems came when the sign on the airplane flashed on: Fasten your seat belts.’ Then, after a while, a calm voice said, ‘We shall not be serving the beverages at this time as we are expecting a little turbulence. Please be sure your seat belt is fastened.’
As he looked around the aircraft, it became obvious that many of the passengers were becoming apprehensive. Later, the voice of the announcer said, ’we are so sorry that we are unable to serve the meal at this time. The turbulence is still ahead of us.’ And then the storm broke. The ominous cracks of thunder could be heard even above the roar of the engines. Lightening lit up the darkening skies, and within moments that great plane was like a cork tossed around on a celestial ocean. One moment the airplane was lifted on terrific currents of air; the next, it dropped as if it were about to crash.
The pastor confessed that he shared the discomfort and fear of those around him. He said, ‘As I looked around the plane, I could see that nearly all the passengers were upset and alarmed. Some were praying. The future seemed ominous and many were wondering if they would make it through the storm.
And then, I suddenly saw a girl to whom the storm meant nothing. She had tucked her feet beneath her as she sat on her seat and was reading a book. Everything within her small world was calm and orderly. Sometimes she closed her eyes, then she would read again; then she would straighten her legs, but worry and fear were not in her world.
When the plane was being buffeted by the terrible storm, when it lurched this way and that, as it rose and fell with frightening severity, when all the adults were scared half to death, that marvelous child was completely composed and unafraid.’
The minister could hardly believe his eyes.
It was not surprising therefore, that when the plane finally reached its destination and all the passengers were hurrying to disembark, he lingered to speak to the girl whom he had watched for such a long time.
Having commented about the storm and behavior of the plane, he asked why she had not been afraid. The sweet child replied, ‘Sir, my Dad is the pilot, and he is taking me home.’
- Author Unknown
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Bala
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BEWARE OF ILLUSIONS
Experiment 1.
Have 22 pebbles two from each with denominations of 50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59 and 60 grams. All the pebbles must be of same shape, size and colour and visually must look alike. Each pebble must have flat base where its weight be printed. In the back of each there will be certain elevation with the help of which the pebbles can be lifted easily.
Now you prepare a chart of pairs randomly but ultimately the chart will show the difference of weight of the pairs as under:
0 gram difference 10 pairs,
1 gram difference 10 pairs,
2 grams difference10 pairs,
3grams difference 10 pairs,
4 grams difference 10 pairs,
5 grams difference 10 pairs,
6 grams difference 10 pairs,
7 grams difference 10 pairs,
8 grams difference 10 pairs,
9 grams difference 10 pairs and
10 grams difference 10 pairs.
Now find out the most judicious person around you and invite him/her to participate in the experiment. After establishing adequate rapport tell him/her:
The experiment is very simple. I shall give you 110 pairs of pebbles,1 pair at a time, to judge whether the both of the pair are of equal weight or which of the two in the pair is “heavier”.
Now take out your random pair chart, present the pairs in sequence and record the judgments of your subject as “right” or “wrong” without giving any feedback during the experiment. Now count the correct responses at each difference level, that is, 0 to 10. Gradually as the levels of differences will increase, the frequency of correct responses will increase and even at the level of 10 gram difference you may not get 100 percent correct responses.
Now you go to test subject 2, 3, 4 etc in the same way and plot the correct response graphs for each subject. Calculate the points in X axis for each subject on which there are 50% correct differential responses. These points are known as Differential limen(DL) or Differential thresholds.
Your findings will be
1.Each subject is bound to commit error, that is, there is no linear relationship between objective reality and subjective reality.
2. For each subject you will find separate DLs.There will be wide individual differences, that is, psychophysical make ups of all of us differ.
3. Ask your subjects to repeat the exercise 100 times each but they can never be 100 percent accurate.
Now what is sensation and what is perception? The sensory experience while lifting the pebbles and before arriving at the interpretation of sensory information as “equal” or “heavier” is called sensation. When the information is judged as “equal” or “heavier” the experience is called perception. The perception may be right or wrong. The wrong perceptions are called illusions.
For the present I am skipping over Thurstonian method of attitude scale construction.
A person has millions and billions of interactions with the reality and has millions and billions of perceptions. Some are right and some are wrong. The perceptions are precisely reserved in the mind as beliefs and attitudes. We evaluate the forthcoming information on the basis of our beliefs and attitudes and this way of evaluation and its basis is called world view. Every one of us have distinct world views. So we differ and will continue to differ. Even identical/monogygotic twins differ. So we can not, can never unify ourselves but can harmonize despite differences. So let us strive for what is feasible.
Psychophysics in every day life.
Once in a while we see someone and say “hello……..” but the person does not respond as expected because he/she is not the “same” person for which we say hello. We get a mild jerk and proceed.
But visualize a situation. A learned professor of an engineering college goes in evening walk with his wife. He meets his friend and starts talking. In such situations traditional Indian wives stand a little apart. So did this wife too. As the learned professor gets engrossed in talk, the wife gets bored and returns home silently. By the time the learned professor concludes his conversation, incidentally an unconcerned woman stands in the same place. The learned professor neither judges this woman as heavier, nor lighter, nor equal nor identical but as same. So he proceeds unto her, pats on her back and says “Let us go”.
The next you can very well guess what could have happened to the venerable professor.
Certainly this incident is not going to happen with you. But suppose
You judge a benevolent person as malevolent, a bahkau/bhadkau/bidkau (instigators) as well wishers, conmen as friends, an exploiter as saviour and vice versa and etc.etc. All of us if we check up our pasts then we will certainly find that we are subjected to may such illusions. So let us beware of illusions.
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Experiment 1.
Have 22 pebbles two from each with denominations of 50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59 and 60 grams. All the pebbles must be of same shape, size and colour and visually must look alike. Each pebble must have flat base where its weight be printed. In the back of each there will be certain elevation with the help of which the pebbles can be lifted easily.
Now you prepare a chart of pairs randomly but ultimately the chart will show the difference of weight of the pairs as under:
0 gram difference 10 pairs,
1 gram difference 10 pairs,
2 grams difference10 pairs,
3grams difference 10 pairs,
4 grams difference 10 pairs,
5 grams difference 10 pairs,
6 grams difference 10 pairs,
7 grams difference 10 pairs,
8 grams difference 10 pairs,
9 grams difference 10 pairs and
10 grams difference 10 pairs.
Now find out the most judicious person around you and invite him/her to participate in the experiment. After establishing adequate rapport tell him/her:
The experiment is very simple. I shall give you 110 pairs of pebbles,1 pair at a time, to judge whether the both of the pair are of equal weight or which of the two in the pair is “heavier”.
Now take out your random pair chart, present the pairs in sequence and record the judgments of your subject as “right” or “wrong” without giving any feedback during the experiment. Now count the correct responses at each difference level, that is, 0 to 10. Gradually as the levels of differences will increase, the frequency of correct responses will increase and even at the level of 10 gram difference you may not get 100 percent correct responses.
Now you go to test subject 2, 3, 4 etc in the same way and plot the correct response graphs for each subject. Calculate the points in X axis for each subject on which there are 50% correct differential responses. These points are known as Differential limen(DL) or Differential thresholds.
Your findings will be
1.Each subject is bound to commit error, that is, there is no linear relationship between objective reality and subjective reality.
2. For each subject you will find separate DLs.There will be wide individual differences, that is, psychophysical make ups of all of us differ.
3. Ask your subjects to repeat the exercise 100 times each but they can never be 100 percent accurate.
Now what is sensation and what is perception? The sensory experience while lifting the pebbles and before arriving at the interpretation of sensory information as “equal” or “heavier” is called sensation. When the information is judged as “equal” or “heavier” the experience is called perception. The perception may be right or wrong. The wrong perceptions are called illusions.
For the present I am skipping over Thurstonian method of attitude scale construction.
A person has millions and billions of interactions with the reality and has millions and billions of perceptions. Some are right and some are wrong. The perceptions are precisely reserved in the mind as beliefs and attitudes. We evaluate the forthcoming information on the basis of our beliefs and attitudes and this way of evaluation and its basis is called world view. Every one of us have distinct world views. So we differ and will continue to differ. Even identical/monogygotic twins differ. So we can not, can never unify ourselves but can harmonize despite differences. So let us strive for what is feasible.
Psychophysics in every day life.
Once in a while we see someone and say “hello……..” but the person does not respond as expected because he/she is not the “same” person for which we say hello. We get a mild jerk and proceed.
But visualize a situation. A learned professor of an engineering college goes in evening walk with his wife. He meets his friend and starts talking. In such situations traditional Indian wives stand a little apart. So did this wife too. As the learned professor gets engrossed in talk, the wife gets bored and returns home silently. By the time the learned professor concludes his conversation, incidentally an unconcerned woman stands in the same place. The learned professor neither judges this woman as heavier, nor lighter, nor equal nor identical but as same. So he proceeds unto her, pats on her back and says “Let us go”.
The next you can very well guess what could have happened to the venerable professor.
Certainly this incident is not going to happen with you. But suppose
You judge a benevolent person as malevolent, a bahkau/bhadkau/bidkau (instigators) as well wishers, conmen as friends, an exploiter as saviour and vice versa and etc.etc. All of us if we check up our pasts then we will certainly find that we are subjected to may such illusions. So let us beware of illusions.
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From India, Delhi
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Dear Dr. J,
I have always believed in these words. In fact, that's what Aikido is helping me achieve - the harmonizing of the world and myself.
You are right; we all live in our own perception and react accordingly. Conflict arises when these perceptions come together and cannot harmonize. To make matters worse, some perceptions are reinforced by our ego, leading to clashes in perception. Imagine perception as bubbles around us; when we harden these bubbles, clashes occur when we come into contact with other bubbles. If we learn to soften our bubbles and allow other bubbles to come into our circumference, we can learn what the other bubbles look like and how they feel.
Harmonizing is not easy, and most of the time, it is extremely hard, but it is a valuable lesson to learn.
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From Malaysia, Johor Bahru
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I have always believed in these words. In fact, that's what Aikido is helping me achieve - the harmonizing of the world and myself.
You are right; we all live in our own perception and react accordingly. Conflict arises when these perceptions come together and cannot harmonize. To make matters worse, some perceptions are reinforced by our ego, leading to clashes in perception. Imagine perception as bubbles around us; when we harden these bubbles, clashes occur when we come into contact with other bubbles. If we learn to soften our bubbles and allow other bubbles to come into our circumference, we can learn what the other bubbles look like and how they feel.
Harmonizing is not easy, and most of the time, it is extremely hard, but it is a valuable lesson to learn.
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From Malaysia, Johor Bahru
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Thank you, Noelji, for taking the message in the right perspective.
The problem is what I call idiosyncratic imperialism. You will find it all around you. Normally, the motivation of a person can be at any of the following levels:
1. I am always right, or
2. So I must prevail, or
3. Whatever may happen, I must prevail, or
4. By hook or by crook, I must prevail.
Observe the people around you and guess what percentage will be at what level.
To annihilate idiosyncratic imperialism in our Zero Pathology Ganga, we follow two principles:
1. Everyone is welcome, but no one is invited.
2. Everyone enjoys veto power. We have bid farewell to the idea that the majority must be granted. So, when anyone proposes anything, they must consult their best conscience, neither emotionally nor casually.
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From India, Delhi
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The problem is what I call idiosyncratic imperialism. You will find it all around you. Normally, the motivation of a person can be at any of the following levels:
1. I am always right, or
2. So I must prevail, or
3. Whatever may happen, I must prevail, or
4. By hook or by crook, I must prevail.
Observe the people around you and guess what percentage will be at what level.
To annihilate idiosyncratic imperialism in our Zero Pathology Ganga, we follow two principles:
1. Everyone is welcome, but no one is invited.
2. Everyone enjoys veto power. We have bid farewell to the idea that the majority must be granted. So, when anyone proposes anything, they must consult their best conscience, neither emotionally nor casually.
Regards
From India, Delhi
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Dear Noelji, Between unity and harmony which one appears to be more diificult/impossible for you? Will you prefer to work for unity or harmony? Comments please. regards
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Hello Dr. J,
Wow, this is definitely something that needs a good amount of consideration.
In all honest opinion, I see this as a "chicken and egg" situation. Which comes first, Unity before Harmony, or Harmony before Unity?
Unity is the coming of togetherness under a common purpose. This common purpose is the glue that keeps the Unity together but it is fragile glue. Whereas Harmony is a better glue to use and keep Unity together. In fact, Harmony acts like cement for Unity.
Harmony, where factors of the group are in perfect sync with each other. Factors in this group are in total understanding and acceptance that Unity becomes the evolution of Harmony, becoming a Harmonious Unity. However, Harmony has many hurdles to pass before it can evolve, hurdles like discrimination, tolerance, lackadaisical attitudes, fear, and such.
I guess for me, Harmony is the most difficult to achieve compared to the two. Unity can be achieved through a common goal, a physical manifestation of a group desire, whereas Harmony is... how do I put this... an identity with invisible borders, where we cannot be sure if it is truly achieved, where parties are not threatened, manipulated, coerced, forced into actions for the sake of the notion of "harmonious." Until humans begin to seek a higher level of consciousness and "walk the talk" rather than "talk the talk," Harmony will be the hardest to achieve, in my opinion.
Which would I rather work on? I will try to keep my answer short. :wink: Not surprisingly, Harmony will be my choice. Why? because I see that, in order to create harmony, we need to first be in harmony within ourselves. We first as humans need to change. The process of harmony must start from each individual being and then will it be able to take shape and manifest itself in this world. Humans must first begin to seek the higher self. I believe this to be the foundation of change; in fact, this is how I see change management. I do sound rather idealistic, but I do strongly believe that it is the first critical step towards healing this world. Funny you should pose this question because what I just described mirrors the teachings of our Aikido founder, Morihei Ueshiba, and this is what I have dedicated myself to learning and when I am competent enough, to spread this message through Aikido.
Thank you for this interesting question. It helped me "remember" why I stay in Aikido practice. Dr. J, what about you? Which is more difficult and which will you choose?
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From Malaysia, Johor Bahru
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Wow, this is definitely something that needs a good amount of consideration.
In all honest opinion, I see this as a "chicken and egg" situation. Which comes first, Unity before Harmony, or Harmony before Unity?
Unity is the coming of togetherness under a common purpose. This common purpose is the glue that keeps the Unity together but it is fragile glue. Whereas Harmony is a better glue to use and keep Unity together. In fact, Harmony acts like cement for Unity.
Harmony, where factors of the group are in perfect sync with each other. Factors in this group are in total understanding and acceptance that Unity becomes the evolution of Harmony, becoming a Harmonious Unity. However, Harmony has many hurdles to pass before it can evolve, hurdles like discrimination, tolerance, lackadaisical attitudes, fear, and such.
I guess for me, Harmony is the most difficult to achieve compared to the two. Unity can be achieved through a common goal, a physical manifestation of a group desire, whereas Harmony is... how do I put this... an identity with invisible borders, where we cannot be sure if it is truly achieved, where parties are not threatened, manipulated, coerced, forced into actions for the sake of the notion of "harmonious." Until humans begin to seek a higher level of consciousness and "walk the talk" rather than "talk the talk," Harmony will be the hardest to achieve, in my opinion.
Which would I rather work on? I will try to keep my answer short. :wink: Not surprisingly, Harmony will be my choice. Why? because I see that, in order to create harmony, we need to first be in harmony within ourselves. We first as humans need to change. The process of harmony must start from each individual being and then will it be able to take shape and manifest itself in this world. Humans must first begin to seek the higher self. I believe this to be the foundation of change; in fact, this is how I see change management. I do sound rather idealistic, but I do strongly believe that it is the first critical step towards healing this world. Funny you should pose this question because what I just described mirrors the teachings of our Aikido founder, Morihei Ueshiba, and this is what I have dedicated myself to learning and when I am competent enough, to spread this message through Aikido.
Thank you for this interesting question. It helped me "remember" why I stay in Aikido practice. Dr. J, what about you? Which is more difficult and which will you choose?
Regards
From Malaysia, Johor Bahru
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Many thanks, Noelji, for making a beautiful analysis of yourself. Certainly, if unity looked feasible, I would have preferred that, but to me, I see some possible success in striving for harmony. So I am doing whatever I can, but IDIOSYNCRATIC IMPERIALISM is the sole culprit against harmony.
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I would like to share this apocryphal story set in one of the small towns that dot the Midwest in the United States of America. For its content, this place could be anywhere in the world:
There is a gas station on the highway that passes through the town. An old man sits on a rocking chair on his porch across from this gas station and watches people go by. Since it is a small town, he knows practically everyone. When cars pass by to fill up their gas tanks, some drivers walk across to him and chat.
One such newcomer tells him that he is moving into this town and asks, "How are the people here?" The old man answered, "Well, how are the people where you come from?" The newcomer griped, "That was a lousy town! The neighbors were all indifferent and uncooperative!" The old man said, "This town is just about the same."
After some time, another car drove up, and this newcomer asked the same question. The old man asked the same question about how the people were in the town from which he came. The newcomer said brightly, "That was such a lovely town! All the neighbors were so friendly and cooperative!" The old man then said, "This town is just about the same."
Now, the old man's six-year-old grandson, who had been playing near the porch, had heard both these conversations. After the newcomer left, he came up and asked, "Grandpa! How come you gave two different answers to two different people? To whom did you tell a lie?"
The old man smiled and said, "I did not lie to either of them. Attitude is a baggage that we carry with us wherever we go."
Sanath
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There is a gas station on the highway that passes through the town. An old man sits on a rocking chair on his porch across from this gas station and watches people go by. Since it is a small town, he knows practically everyone. When cars pass by to fill up their gas tanks, some drivers walk across to him and chat.
One such newcomer tells him that he is moving into this town and asks, "How are the people here?" The old man answered, "Well, how are the people where you come from?" The newcomer griped, "That was a lousy town! The neighbors were all indifferent and uncooperative!" The old man said, "This town is just about the same."
After some time, another car drove up, and this newcomer asked the same question. The old man asked the same question about how the people were in the town from which he came. The newcomer said brightly, "That was such a lovely town! All the neighbors were so friendly and cooperative!" The old man then said, "This town is just about the same."
Now, the old man's six-year-old grandson, who had been playing near the porch, had heard both these conversations. After the newcomer left, he came up and asked, "Grandpa! How come you gave two different answers to two different people? To whom did you tell a lie?"
The old man smiled and said, "I did not lie to either of them. Attitude is a baggage that we carry with us wherever we go."
Sanath
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Sanath, superb story. Attitude is everything? Is attitude the be all end all is the question i posed when the post was started. Bala
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Hi Bala, have you come to any conclusion yet? Is attitude the be-all and end-all?
Namaskar.
Balaji may like to speak for himself. For me, as far as life is concerned, attitude is everything, whereas when it is a question of recruitment and career development, etc., it is a probability.
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Namaskar.
Balaji may like to speak for himself. For me, as far as life is concerned, attitude is everything, whereas when it is a question of recruitment and career development, etc., it is a probability.
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From India, Delhi
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Dear Dr.,
Yes, that is what I am also getting at - when you consider career development and recruitment, attitude is surely one of the major factors, but not definitely the only one. As far as life goes, yes, what you have said is the only formula.
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Bala
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Yes, that is what I am also getting at - when you consider career development and recruitment, attitude is surely one of the major factors, but not definitely the only one. As far as life goes, yes, what you have said is the only formula.
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Bala
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Dear Bala, Dr. J, Cheers to attitude. This is one that I will be most happy to drink up to. Cheers.
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Dear Noel and Balaji,
Thank you very much. I am very happy that we have finally come together. However, this is not the end. I will be posting a table of attitude ratings for analysis shortly. Please wait for a few minutes.
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From India, Delhi
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Thank you very much. I am very happy that we have finally come together. However, this is not the end. I will be posting a table of attitude ratings for analysis shortly. Please wait for a few minutes.
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From India, Delhi
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Drji, Waiting impatiently for the same. Thanks Bala Noel, 3 cheers to you.. Bala
Here it is please. Earned user attitude 30/8/05 23/8/05
Sunayna 7.00 6.33 Rupa 0.00 0.00 Pallavi 0.00 0.00 Vishal 5.00 5.00 Swatiji 4.00 4.00 Murali 0.00 0.00 Sushil 0.00 0.00 Sreenivasan 5.50 5.50 Coolamit 0.00 0.00 Frietzie 10.00 10.00 Aguinn 9.33 9.33 Surajsingh 0.00 0.00 Vinaykumar 7.00 7.00 Numeruno 5.50 4.86 Angel 0.00 0.00 Soms 7.00 7.00 Ekta Sharma 4.67 4.67 Reena 6.67 5.25 Noojilla 0.00 0.00 Shoonya 8.56 8.56 Ajmal Mirja 6.71 6.71 Arushi Jain 0.00 0.00 Shaki 5.00 5.00 Jogeshwar 3.20 3.06 *In case of a mistake, sorry in advance. regards
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Here it is please. Earned user attitude 30/8/05 23/8/05
Sunayna 7.00 6.33 Rupa 0.00 0.00 Pallavi 0.00 0.00 Vishal 5.00 5.00 Swatiji 4.00 4.00 Murali 0.00 0.00 Sushil 0.00 0.00 Sreenivasan 5.50 5.50 Coolamit 0.00 0.00 Frietzie 10.00 10.00 Aguinn 9.33 9.33 Surajsingh 0.00 0.00 Vinaykumar 7.00 7.00 Numeruno 5.50 4.86 Angel 0.00 0.00 Soms 7.00 7.00 Ekta Sharma 4.67 4.67 Reena 6.67 5.25 Noojilla 0.00 0.00 Shoonya 8.56 8.56 Ajmal Mirja 6.71 6.71 Arushi Jain 0.00 0.00 Shaki 5.00 5.00 Jogeshwar 3.20 3.06 *In case of a mistake, sorry in advance. regards
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Earned User Attitude 30/8/05 - 24/8/05
Sunayna - 7.00 - 6.33
Rupa - 0.00 - 0.00
Pallavi - 0.00 - 0.00
Vishal - 5.00 - 5.00
Swatiji - 4.00 - 4.00
Murali - 0.00 - 0.00
Sushil - 0.00 - 0.00
Sreenivasan - 5.50 - 5.50
Coolamit - 0.00 - 0.00
Frietzie - 10.00 - 10.00
Aguinn - 9.33 - 9.33
Surajsingh - 0.00 - 0.00
Vinaykumar - 7.00 - 7.00
Numeruno - 5.50 - 4.86
Angel - 0.00 - 0.00
Soms - 7.00 - 7.00
Ekta Sharma - 4.67 - 4.67
Reena - 6.67 - 5.25
Noojilla - 0.00 - 0.00
Shoonya - 8.56 - 8.56
Ajmal Mirja - 6.71 - 6.71
Arushi Jain - 0.00 - 0.00
Shaki - 5.00 - 5.00
Jogeshwar - 3.20 - 3.06
*In case of a mistake, sorry in advance.
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Sunayna - 7.00 - 6.33
Rupa - 0.00 - 0.00
Pallavi - 0.00 - 0.00
Vishal - 5.00 - 5.00
Swatiji - 4.00 - 4.00
Murali - 0.00 - 0.00
Sushil - 0.00 - 0.00
Sreenivasan - 5.50 - 5.50
Coolamit - 0.00 - 0.00
Frietzie - 10.00 - 10.00
Aguinn - 9.33 - 9.33
Surajsingh - 0.00 - 0.00
Vinaykumar - 7.00 - 7.00
Numeruno - 5.50 - 4.86
Angel - 0.00 - 0.00
Soms - 7.00 - 7.00
Ekta Sharma - 4.67 - 4.67
Reena - 6.67 - 5.25
Noojilla - 0.00 - 0.00
Shoonya - 8.56 - 8.56
Ajmal Mirja - 6.71 - 6.71
Arushi Jain - 0.00 - 0.00
Shaki - 5.00 - 5.00
Jogeshwar - 3.20 - 3.06
*In case of a mistake, sorry in advance.
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Namaskar and most welcome, Deepali ji. Thank you for your query.
In fact, there is an error at the top of the last column. Instead of 23/8/05, please read today's date, that is, 23/9/05.
The names and user attitude points as they appeared in the threads "Friends Are Forever," "Attitude Is Everything," and "Azmal Mirza Here" on 30/8/05 are presented in the first and second columns, respectively. In the third column, the user attitude points as they appear today are presented. This is the data table. You can make your observations and inferences. See if anything meaningful comes out of it. This also addresses Balaji's query.
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In fact, there is an error at the top of the last column. Instead of 23/8/05, please read today's date, that is, 23/9/05.
The names and user attitude points as they appeared in the threads "Friends Are Forever," "Attitude Is Everything," and "Azmal Mirza Here" on 30/8/05 are presented in the first and second columns, respectively. In the third column, the user attitude points as they appear today are presented. This is the data table. You can make your observations and inferences. See if anything meaningful comes out of it. This also addresses Balaji's query.
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From India, Delhi
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Dr. JI,
I am unable to understand what you wanted to show from this table, what it is for, why these names are there, and what the figures quoted against these names depict. Please tell me.
Dips
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I am unable to understand what you wanted to show from this table, what it is for, why these names are there, and what the figures quoted against these names depict. Please tell me.
Dips
From India, Delhi
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Please go to any of your posts. See the left upper corner. There you can find your brief profile. Okay? You can find an item named "user attitude," right? Next to that, you can see a figure. For example, Balaji has a rating of 4.00 today. This rating represents the average attitude score you have received from other citehr members on a scale of 0 to 10, correct? Now, go to someone else's post, and you will find their average user attitude score, right? When someone rates you, the average may change. Therefore, your average user attitude score may not remain the same a month later, correct?
Now, let's look at the table again. In the first column, you will see the names of the participants from the three threads mentioned in my previous post. Their average user attitude points, as displayed on 30/8/05 in their profiles, are listed in the second column. Any variations as of today can be found in the third column. By analyzing the columns vertically, you can observe individual differences. Conversely, by examining rows horizontally, you can track changes over time. I hope this clarifies things. If not, please feel free to ask again. Right?
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Now, let's look at the table again. In the first column, you will see the names of the participants from the three threads mentioned in my previous post. Their average user attitude points, as displayed on 30/8/05 in their profiles, are listed in the second column. Any variations as of today can be found in the third column. By analyzing the columns vertically, you can observe individual differences. Conversely, by examining rows horizontally, you can track changes over time. I hope this clarifies things. If not, please feel free to ask again. Right?
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From India, Delhi
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Namaskar friends.
I think we are prolific and vociferous at the fantasy level. That is fine, but I think it is necessary to be equally prolific and vociferous about the ground reality as well. Am I right, friends?
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I think we are prolific and vociferous at the fantasy level. That is fine, but I think it is necessary to be equally prolific and vociferous about the ground reality as well. Am I right, friends?
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Dear Deepaliji and Balaji,
Thank you very much for your replies. In this topic, so far we were addressing two questions:
1. What is attitude?
2. What does attitude do?
From your replies, it now appears that based on the actual attitude ratings, we cannot address these two questions. Right?
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Thank you very much for your replies. In this topic, so far we were addressing two questions:
1. What is attitude?
2. What does attitude do?
From your replies, it now appears that based on the actual attitude ratings, we cannot address these two questions. Right?
Regards
From India, Delhi
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Dear Balaji and Deepaliji,
I had tried to supplement actual data to our theoretical discussion and sought meaningful inference, if at all. As looking from different angles, the data does not yield anything, let us drop it here.
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From India, Delhi
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I had tried to supplement actual data to our theoretical discussion and sought meaningful inference, if at all. As looking from different angles, the data does not yield anything, let us drop it here.
Regards
From India, Delhi
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Dear Bala,
Attitude is extremely important - a must as a starting point in recruitment and career development. Without it, the company suffers, and with it, the career. But why be so interested in using superlatives? Get on with the job and try to remain away from language entrapment. It is an art to be aware of this so that one does not go into a needless loop.
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Sunil Chandra
www.piiconsultants.com
From India, Gurgaon
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Attitude is extremely important - a must as a starting point in recruitment and career development. Without it, the company suffers, and with it, the career. But why be so interested in using superlatives? Get on with the job and try to remain away from language entrapment. It is an art to be aware of this so that one does not go into a needless loop.
Regards,
Sunil Chandra
www.piiconsultants.com
From India, Gurgaon
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