Dear seniors,
at first happy new year to all.
i would like to share my problem with u and want a solution frm u if could u please. i graduated frm Patna not very small place but a big city, i have 08 years experience in hr/admin. i came here in delhi to search a new job in hr/admin. i have been searching for job frm 8 moths. and have given some interviews. in most places i found that many employers and people are not behaving well because of i m frm BIHAR. because of some bad elements the Bihari people faded their name in some areas but why a civilized and dignified person like me is suffering for this. everywhere i go in delhi if i say, i m Bihari they look like that some thing in me is bad or i cant be a gud employee because of Bihari tag. i do'nt why it happens mainly for Bihari person. For their kind information that mostly IPS,IS,SOFTWARE ENGINEERS are frm Bihar.i proud to be a Bihari.
i think INDIA is a big country and most of employee come frm small city.then we have to give them opportunity to grow in big city like delhi and should not pull their leg and make them feel low.in my opinion we have to find gud talent and co-operate with them with unity.my incident was very hurting and i suffered a lot for this.
i know i m confident and i can't sit keep quite for this behaviour what is happening with me.
i always learn frm my failure and i have the courage to fight against this double mantality syndrome.(between small places employee and metro city employee)
kindly give any solutions for this matter that how we can change these mentality. that everyone has a right to live with their dignity and will get a gud job in big city.
thanking all of u seniors to reading my problem.
with regards
NIMISHA GUPTA
From India, Delhi
at first happy new year to all.
i would like to share my problem with u and want a solution frm u if could u please. i graduated frm Patna not very small place but a big city, i have 08 years experience in hr/admin. i came here in delhi to search a new job in hr/admin. i have been searching for job frm 8 moths. and have given some interviews. in most places i found that many employers and people are not behaving well because of i m frm BIHAR. because of some bad elements the Bihari people faded their name in some areas but why a civilized and dignified person like me is suffering for this. everywhere i go in delhi if i say, i m Bihari they look like that some thing in me is bad or i cant be a gud employee because of Bihari tag. i do'nt why it happens mainly for Bihari person. For their kind information that mostly IPS,IS,SOFTWARE ENGINEERS are frm Bihar.i proud to be a Bihari.
i think INDIA is a big country and most of employee come frm small city.then we have to give them opportunity to grow in big city like delhi and should not pull their leg and make them feel low.in my opinion we have to find gud talent and co-operate with them with unity.my incident was very hurting and i suffered a lot for this.
i know i m confident and i can't sit keep quite for this behaviour what is happening with me.
i always learn frm my failure and i have the courage to fight against this double mantality syndrome.(between small places employee and metro city employee)
kindly give any solutions for this matter that how we can change these mentality. that everyone has a right to live with their dignity and will get a gud job in big city.
thanking all of u seniors to reading my problem.
with regards
NIMISHA GUPTA
From India, Delhi
Hello,
You do have a very sensitive problem. You seem to infer that your Bihar background is the primary cause behind your not getting a good opening. You may or may nor be right. Like you said India is indeed a big country and it accommodates all.
I can assure you that industry does not give a damn where you come from. It needs to be convinced that you are competent and that you can do their job. That says that to overcome their bias, you have to try harder to convince them of your credintials. Believe me it is NOT impossible.
What you have and what the new employer needs, perhaps there is a wide gap as they perceive. A majority of professionals have come from small places and made their mark. Vikram Pandit was educated in Nagpur and now he is the chief of Citybank!
Don't lose heart. Your time will come. First register with Placement Consultants/Agencies. Respond to all suitable advertisements. BUT donot make unsilicited approaches for a job. Such an act devalues your candidature in a country with great unemployment. It is very demeaning.
Link up with Chamber of Commerce and Industry. Go through industrial directories and who's who. And first kindly make a bio-data that gives a right message to the prospective employer and an impressive covering letter to this bio-data.
IF you have NOT done any of these things, you must quickly go about them. Can I have a look at your bio-data. Are you willing to relocate anywhere in the country? Here in Pune, I have professionals from Orissa, Punjab, UP, Gujrath, WB, Assam and also Bihar. Everyone finds his feet ultimately.
Do yourself a favour. hereafter no conclusions to be drawn, as such conclusions have a negative impact on further efforts.
Reply this mail as a Private Message (pm). The site has such a possibility, if you wish to maintain confidentiality.
If I can help, I will!
Cheer up and good luck for job hunt!!!
Regards
samvedan
January 17, 2008
From India, Pune
315You do have a very sensitive problem. You seem to infer that your Bihar background is the primary cause behind your not getting a good opening. You may or may nor be right. Like you said India is indeed a big country and it accommodates all.
I can assure you that industry does not give a damn where you come from. It needs to be convinced that you are competent and that you can do their job. That says that to overcome their bias, you have to try harder to convince them of your credintials. Believe me it is NOT impossible.
What you have and what the new employer needs, perhaps there is a wide gap as they perceive. A majority of professionals have come from small places and made their mark. Vikram Pandit was educated in Nagpur and now he is the chief of Citybank!
Don't lose heart. Your time will come. First register with Placement Consultants/Agencies. Respond to all suitable advertisements. BUT donot make unsilicited approaches for a job. Such an act devalues your candidature in a country with great unemployment. It is very demeaning.
Link up with Chamber of Commerce and Industry. Go through industrial directories and who's who. And first kindly make a bio-data that gives a right message to the prospective employer and an impressive covering letter to this bio-data.
IF you have NOT done any of these things, you must quickly go about them. Can I have a look at your bio-data. Are you willing to relocate anywhere in the country? Here in Pune, I have professionals from Orissa, Punjab, UP, Gujrath, WB, Assam and also Bihar. Everyone finds his feet ultimately.
Do yourself a favour. hereafter no conclusions to be drawn, as such conclusions have a negative impact on further efforts.
Reply this mail as a Private Message (pm). The site has such a possibility, if you wish to maintain confidentiality.
If I can help, I will!
Cheer up and good luck for job hunt!!!
Regards
samvedan
January 17, 2008
From India, Pune
Dear Nimisha, As samvedan said do, nt lose your heart. Does not make any difference which place u belong to as long as u r talented. katyana
From India, Gurgaon
From India, Gurgaon
Hi, If someone give a job not because of talent, better don’t join there. Wait, you get your turn in a good place. Best of Luck. Murali.
From India, Hyderabad
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Nimisha
I agree with what Sambedan said no matter where u come from u just need to be competent and presntable enough that any employer seeing for the 1st time should view you as an asset and not a burden. I guess You only need to work on your own interpersonal skills and stop thinking about all these concerns about small town, being Bihari etc as I can cite you so many examples of Biharis being in positions not only in the Govt sector but being in positions like AVP, VP, Directors etc in the private sectors too. So get set ready and cheer up time to puck up! :P
From India, Mumbai
I agree with what Sambedan said no matter where u come from u just need to be competent and presntable enough that any employer seeing for the 1st time should view you as an asset and not a burden. I guess You only need to work on your own interpersonal skills and stop thinking about all these concerns about small town, being Bihari etc as I can cite you so many examples of Biharis being in positions not only in the Govt sector but being in positions like AVP, VP, Directors etc in the private sectors too. So get set ready and cheer up time to puck up! :P
From India, Mumbai
i disagree with samvedan's post !!
Ms Nimisha may be genuinely facing this problem. I wud like to ask Ms Nimisha if she is really sure of her claim that she is denied a job in Delhi just becuz she is from Bihar.
Personally i dont think that this is impossible..It is advisable to ask for feedback on the interview at the end of one.
Write to me on
if u need any further help
rgds
From India, Mumbai
Ms Nimisha may be genuinely facing this problem. I wud like to ask Ms Nimisha if she is really sure of her claim that she is denied a job in Delhi just becuz she is from Bihar.
Personally i dont think that this is impossible..It is advisable to ask for feedback on the interview at the end of one.
Write to me on
rgds
From India, Mumbai
Hello,
This is a response to the posting by nikkyblue!
I was not begging for anyone's agreement. My response was to the originator of this thread.
However, if the points of disagreements were narrated, it would have been nice and more focussed answers could be given. In fact I have already said that Ms. Nimisha ".....may or may not be right..." What does this convey?
Then it is rather naive to ask for a feedback at the end of the interview about the outcome of the same. Further, if the reason for rejection was indeed, albeit unfortunately, that Ms. Nimisha is a Bihari, she will NEVER be disclosed this reason by any interviewer.
Again all that I have said that the ".... industry does not give a damn about where you come from. It only looks for competence... (or words to that effect)....." I also gave an example how how small town people can and do make it big at golbal level.
It is unfortunate that my post has not been read at all as otherwise the disagreement was NOT possible. No, I welcome disagreements. My concern is about the tendancy to rush in with comments, (and nikkiblue is the first one nor the only one!) WITHOUT doing homework! SAD!!!
samvedan
Januery 18, 2008
From India, Pune
This is a response to the posting by nikkyblue!
I was not begging for anyone's agreement. My response was to the originator of this thread.
However, if the points of disagreements were narrated, it would have been nice and more focussed answers could be given. In fact I have already said that Ms. Nimisha ".....may or may not be right..." What does this convey?
Then it is rather naive to ask for a feedback at the end of the interview about the outcome of the same. Further, if the reason for rejection was indeed, albeit unfortunately, that Ms. Nimisha is a Bihari, she will NEVER be disclosed this reason by any interviewer.
Again all that I have said that the ".... industry does not give a damn about where you come from. It only looks for competence... (or words to that effect)....." I also gave an example how how small town people can and do make it big at golbal level.
It is unfortunate that my post has not been read at all as otherwise the disagreement was NOT possible. No, I welcome disagreements. My concern is about the tendancy to rush in with comments, (and nikkiblue is the first one nor the only one!) WITHOUT doing homework! SAD!!!
samvedan
Januery 18, 2008
From India, Pune
@ samdevan
I disgreed wid u dat doesnt mean I have any disrespect for your opinion.
i was just astonished to see that every1 discouraged Ms Nimisha by giving some unnecessary gyan rather than some rational advice
If u think its naive to ask for feedback, dats ur opinion..i do that and it works and underlines my and my co's professional behaviour..also candidate is happy dat he receives some valuable feedback from us...
In fact I have already said that Ms. Nimisha ".....may or may not be right..." What does this convey?
I know if Ms Nimisha is discriminated upon her being from a particular state, she wudnt be told so..But if there is some genuine reason for her rejection, lest they wud tell her. This wud abstain her from forming some wrong opinions(if she is, at all)
From India, Mumbai
I disgreed wid u dat doesnt mean I have any disrespect for your opinion.
i was just astonished to see that every1 discouraged Ms Nimisha by giving some unnecessary gyan rather than some rational advice
If u think its naive to ask for feedback, dats ur opinion..i do that and it works and underlines my and my co's professional behaviour..also candidate is happy dat he receives some valuable feedback from us...
In fact I have already said that Ms. Nimisha ".....may or may not be right..." What does this convey?
I know if Ms Nimisha is discriminated upon her being from a particular state, she wudnt be told so..But if there is some genuine reason for her rejection, lest they wud tell her. This wud abstain her from forming some wrong opinions(if she is, at all)
From India, Mumbai
Hello,
For "nikiblue" first and for all others next.
It is SAD again. None of the advices Ms. Nimisha received (including mine) are discouraging or contain unnecessary "gyan"
I think they were all very fair advices, trying to console her on one hand and telling her that while it is no stigma to belong to a particular state, it is necessary to be competent to get a job and one must convince the prospective employer of own competence.
More than what the interviewers MAY tell you at the end of the interview, introspection of a candidate is far more effectiveand meaningful. Further the interviewers cannot say before discussing the performance of the candidate amongst themselves anything beyond politically correct things and merely saying "it was nice" or "you did well" one has no scope to say much. The feedback cannot be judgemental because the judgement has not been made and therefore it would be wrong to express anything beyond platitudes!
The practices that your company follows do not set any universal norm of professionalism and I am NOT commenting upon it anyway. You did not have to fall back on your organization.
I repeat there was NOTHING in my mail or the other mails that one could find a disagreement with! They were all in the positive tone. I further assert that it is not a question of your opinion or of my opinion at all. Disagreements can generate different view points and therefore new knowledge.
Lastly I am NOT joining issues with you or with anyone and am closing this discussion from my side!
Regards
samvedan
January 18, 2008
From India, Pune
For "nikiblue" first and for all others next.
It is SAD again. None of the advices Ms. Nimisha received (including mine) are discouraging or contain unnecessary "gyan"
I think they were all very fair advices, trying to console her on one hand and telling her that while it is no stigma to belong to a particular state, it is necessary to be competent to get a job and one must convince the prospective employer of own competence.
More than what the interviewers MAY tell you at the end of the interview, introspection of a candidate is far more effectiveand meaningful. Further the interviewers cannot say before discussing the performance of the candidate amongst themselves anything beyond politically correct things and merely saying "it was nice" or "you did well" one has no scope to say much. The feedback cannot be judgemental because the judgement has not been made and therefore it would be wrong to express anything beyond platitudes!
The practices that your company follows do not set any universal norm of professionalism and I am NOT commenting upon it anyway. You did not have to fall back on your organization.
I repeat there was NOTHING in my mail or the other mails that one could find a disagreement with! They were all in the positive tone. I further assert that it is not a question of your opinion or of my opinion at all. Disagreements can generate different view points and therefore new knowledge.
Lastly I am NOT joining issues with you or with anyone and am closing this discussion from my side!
Regards
samvedan
January 18, 2008
From India, Pune
Hello Nimisha,
I can understand your predicament as I am myself from a relatively middle city of Baroda.
However, in the end, it is your performance in your earlier jobs and your potential to contribute to your profession / job area that matters and not the place you come from.
So, as other friends have advised you, I would also suggest not to lose your heart and keep on searching for opportunities. Also, I would suggest you not to limit your search to Delhi but also explore other places like NCR, Mumbai, Bangalore etc.
With best wishes,
Girish Tarwani
From India, Ahmadabad
I can understand your predicament as I am myself from a relatively middle city of Baroda.
However, in the end, it is your performance in your earlier jobs and your potential to contribute to your profession / job area that matters and not the place you come from.
So, as other friends have advised you, I would also suggest not to lose your heart and keep on searching for opportunities. Also, I would suggest you not to limit your search to Delhi but also explore other places like NCR, Mumbai, Bangalore etc.
With best wishes,
Girish Tarwani
From India, Ahmadabad
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