Dear Respected members of this community,
I have a question, and hopefully, it's valid, and I will receive some genuine answers from the senior members of this community. I have a UAN number which is not linked to Aadhaar. I know there are some facilities I'm deprived of due to non-linking of Aadhaar. But my query is different.
Suppose the subjudice matter of the mandatory Aadhaar linking decision goes in favor of the GOI, and Aadhaar becomes mandatory to be linked with UAN. Can I take a stance that I'll not link it? Because as per the Aadhar Act of 2016, since the GOI is giving 1.16% of my basic from their consolidated fund, they are supposed to ask me to link my Aadhar. But what if I don't want that money from the GOI? Can I opt out of linking Aadhar? I know when I became a member of EPF, automatically I became a member of EPS, and Aadhaar linking is mandatory for EPS. But like any other subsidy or welfare schemes in this country, I should have the choice to opt-in or out of it. I can claim LPG subsidy, I can opt out of it, why can't I opt out of that 1.16% of government money? I can't opt out of it, and therefore I have to share my Aadhar, isn't it forceful submission? Shouldn't I have a choice?
I'm telling again that I very well know the facilities that come along with the linking, so please don't tell me about the facilities. My only concern is related to this forceful submission. I would like to hear some genuine understandings from the senior members.
From India, Kolkata
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1I have a question, and hopefully, it's valid, and I will receive some genuine answers from the senior members of this community. I have a UAN number which is not linked to Aadhaar. I know there are some facilities I'm deprived of due to non-linking of Aadhaar. But my query is different.
Suppose the subjudice matter of the mandatory Aadhaar linking decision goes in favor of the GOI, and Aadhaar becomes mandatory to be linked with UAN. Can I take a stance that I'll not link it? Because as per the Aadhar Act of 2016, since the GOI is giving 1.16% of my basic from their consolidated fund, they are supposed to ask me to link my Aadhar. But what if I don't want that money from the GOI? Can I opt out of linking Aadhar? I know when I became a member of EPF, automatically I became a member of EPS, and Aadhaar linking is mandatory for EPS. But like any other subsidy or welfare schemes in this country, I should have the choice to opt-in or out of it. I can claim LPG subsidy, I can opt out of it, why can't I opt out of that 1.16% of government money? I can't opt out of it, and therefore I have to share my Aadhar, isn't it forceful submission? Shouldn't I have a choice?
I'm telling again that I very well know the facilities that come along with the linking, so please don't tell me about the facilities. My only concern is related to this forceful submission. I would like to hear some genuine understandings from the senior members.
From India, Kolkata
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Dear Friend,
You have not given any strong reason for not linking Aadhaar with UAN. The linking is mandatory, irrespective of any reason; you do not have a choice. So go with it.
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Bharat Gera
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From India, Thane
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You have not given any strong reason for not linking Aadhaar with UAN. The linking is mandatory, irrespective of any reason; you do not have a choice. So go with it.
Warm Regards,
Bharat Gera
HR Consultant
9322404765
From India, Thane
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Apart from the EPS Scheme, there are numerous members who have 2-3 UANs activated for the company they are joining. Hence, to avoid duplication, the Government of India has initiated this drive wherein the members will be required to have only one UAN until they retire. I hope this clarifies your query. In addition, if you do not link your Aadhar, you may be deprived of withdrawing the EPF amount in the near future.
From India, Ahmadabad
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From India, Ahmadabad
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Dear Mr. Bharat Gera,
Isn't it right to be left alone under the right to privacy? Why should I have a reason? I don't need to give any justification to the government as to why I don't want to link my Aadhar with my UAN. The Government of India is saying that to be part of welfare schemes, I have to provide my Aadhar number. If I don't want to be part of a welfare scheme, why should I give my Aadhar? I have the right to be left alone now. Just because everybody is doing something doesn't mean I have to do it too.
Dear Mr. Saji,
I completely understand that in the future, I may face hurdles in terms of withdrawing my EPF amount if I don't link it now. But that means I have a choice. My only concern is that the government can't force me if I don't want to. I know it's for the greater good, but I don't want subsidies, I don't want government money to be deposited in my EPF account. I don't want to be part of these welfare schemes, so why is the government forcing me to link my Aadhar with the UAN? There are various ways to find duplicate UANs - adding a PAN card or bank account may ensure that no one has more than one UAN. While everybody may have more than one bank account, all accounts are linked to PAN. This way, the system can periodically check and ensure that nobody has more than one UAN.
I have not linked my Aadhar yet because my organization has not asked for it. My query is, when I don't want something from you, why are you forcing me to provide something that is required to get it? When I don't want that 1.16% of government money, why is the government forcing me to provide my Aadhar, which is needed to access that money?
I hope my query is clearer now.
From India, Kolkata
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Isn't it right to be left alone under the right to privacy? Why should I have a reason? I don't need to give any justification to the government as to why I don't want to link my Aadhar with my UAN. The Government of India is saying that to be part of welfare schemes, I have to provide my Aadhar number. If I don't want to be part of a welfare scheme, why should I give my Aadhar? I have the right to be left alone now. Just because everybody is doing something doesn't mean I have to do it too.
Dear Mr. Saji,
I completely understand that in the future, I may face hurdles in terms of withdrawing my EPF amount if I don't link it now. But that means I have a choice. My only concern is that the government can't force me if I don't want to. I know it's for the greater good, but I don't want subsidies, I don't want government money to be deposited in my EPF account. I don't want to be part of these welfare schemes, so why is the government forcing me to link my Aadhar with the UAN? There are various ways to find duplicate UANs - adding a PAN card or bank account may ensure that no one has more than one UAN. While everybody may have more than one bank account, all accounts are linked to PAN. This way, the system can periodically check and ensure that nobody has more than one UAN.
I have not linked my Aadhar yet because my organization has not asked for it. My query is, when I don't want something from you, why are you forcing me to provide something that is required to get it? When I don't want that 1.16% of government money, why is the government forcing me to provide my Aadhar, which is needed to access that money?
I hope my query is clearer now.
From India, Kolkata
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Dear Mr. Ananmika,
The Government of India has not forced you to take up employment. You have taken up employment on your own. By virtue of employment, you have become a member of EPF. Consequently, all EPF/EPS members have to link their Aadhaar number. Please let me know how this will violate your privacy rules. Has anybody used any force against you? Please come to the mainstream.
About 120 crore Aadhaar numbers have already been issued. Please do not make issues out of trifles. If you have a valid argument, put forth the same before the appropriate forum. This is not the forum to present your argument.
From India, New Delhi
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The Government of India has not forced you to take up employment. You have taken up employment on your own. By virtue of employment, you have become a member of EPF. Consequently, all EPF/EPS members have to link their Aadhaar number. Please let me know how this will violate your privacy rules. Has anybody used any force against you? Please come to the mainstream.
About 120 crore Aadhaar numbers have already been issued. Please do not make issues out of trifles. If you have a valid argument, put forth the same before the appropriate forum. This is not the forum to present your argument.
From India, New Delhi
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Yes, I know this is not the forum, and I'm sorry for making this point here. However, let me tell you that the right to employment is another right that I enjoy as an Indian citizen. But when I don't want my name to be included in a welfare scheme, then the government can't force me to be a part of that scheme. I earn nearly a lakh rupees per month, so I'm not from the poorer section of this society. The only fault that I made was I joined EPF when I started my career early on without knowing its future hidden implications (that I cannot opt out of it ever).
Now, the Government of India is providing me with some token amount to my EPF account every month, and for that, I have to submit my Aadhar. My only question was, isn't it forceful submission? I know 120 crores Aadhar cards have already been generated, and I also possess an Aadhar since 2010. I linked my PAN card with Aadhar in order to file ITR. I linked it with all my bank accounts, but why should I link it with UAN when I don't want the government to credit some meagre amount to my EPF account every month?
In any social welfare scheme, there is a provision that if you want this, you have to give Aadhar, but in the case of EPFO, it's weird. I don't have a choice; I am forcefully a member of EPF now, I'm forcefully supposed to take a certain amount from the government, and eventually, I'm supposed to link my Aadhar. I'm not fussing about it out of some trifles. I'm not understanding two things that everyone in this community who has participated in this discussion so far has come up with.
1. Everybody is doing it, so I have to do it (at least that's the tone).
2. I have become a member of EPF, so even if I don't want government welfare, I have to take it forcefully, and for that, I have to give my Aadhar.
This is my argument. Don't I have a choice on this? Can't I have a choice? Is it too much I'm asking? In a democratic country like India, I should have the right to ask why. And that's what I'm doing. What you are suggesting is preposterous - 120 crores Aadhar cards have been issued. So what? I got my Aadhar back in 2010. So what? I linked it to every possible thing because I want to continue the related services like ITR, bank accounts, mobile phones. If I don't link Aadhar, I can't avail these facilities. But in the case of EPFO, I don't want government money. I only want my money and the money given by my private employer. That's it. Why should I link my Aadhar then?
And for your information, I also have the right to choose what I want and what I don't unless I'm a law-abiding citizen of this country.
Unfortunately, I'm deeply hurt seeing these replies where people are asking me what's my problem in linking Aadhar with UAN. I don't have any problem doing so. But I don't want government money, so why should I do that? I still expect a genuine answer from the revered members of this community who can actually tell me why should I do that when I don't want that benefit.
From India, Kolkata
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Now, the Government of India is providing me with some token amount to my EPF account every month, and for that, I have to submit my Aadhar. My only question was, isn't it forceful submission? I know 120 crores Aadhar cards have already been generated, and I also possess an Aadhar since 2010. I linked my PAN card with Aadhar in order to file ITR. I linked it with all my bank accounts, but why should I link it with UAN when I don't want the government to credit some meagre amount to my EPF account every month?
In any social welfare scheme, there is a provision that if you want this, you have to give Aadhar, but in the case of EPFO, it's weird. I don't have a choice; I am forcefully a member of EPF now, I'm forcefully supposed to take a certain amount from the government, and eventually, I'm supposed to link my Aadhar. I'm not fussing about it out of some trifles. I'm not understanding two things that everyone in this community who has participated in this discussion so far has come up with.
1. Everybody is doing it, so I have to do it (at least that's the tone).
2. I have become a member of EPF, so even if I don't want government welfare, I have to take it forcefully, and for that, I have to give my Aadhar.
This is my argument. Don't I have a choice on this? Can't I have a choice? Is it too much I'm asking? In a democratic country like India, I should have the right to ask why. And that's what I'm doing. What you are suggesting is preposterous - 120 crores Aadhar cards have been issued. So what? I got my Aadhar back in 2010. So what? I linked it to every possible thing because I want to continue the related services like ITR, bank accounts, mobile phones. If I don't link Aadhar, I can't avail these facilities. But in the case of EPFO, I don't want government money. I only want my money and the money given by my private employer. That's it. Why should I link my Aadhar then?
And for your information, I also have the right to choose what I want and what I don't unless I'm a law-abiding citizen of this country.
Unfortunately, I'm deeply hurt seeing these replies where people are asking me what's my problem in linking Aadhar with UAN. I don't have any problem doing so. But I don't want government money, so why should I do that? I still expect a genuine answer from the revered members of this community who can actually tell me why should I do that when I don't want that benefit.
From India, Kolkata
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Hi Mr. Sai Ram,
I forgot to tell you one more point. For EPF and EPS, I don't need to link my Aadhar. As per the Aadhar Act of 2016, since the government is crediting 1.16% of my basic salary, up to Rs. 6500, to my EPF account, I am supposed to provide my Aadhar number. The government states that since they are allocating this money from the consolidated fund of India, I am required to provide my Aadhar. Here lies my question - I do not want to receive this money from the consolidated fund of India. This is a welfare scheme, and I choose not to be a part of it.
Therefore, it is not a requirement for me to provide my Aadhar simply because I am a member of EPF and EPS. Please ensure you understand the technicalities before making any commitments.
From India, Kolkata
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I forgot to tell you one more point. For EPF and EPS, I don't need to link my Aadhar. As per the Aadhar Act of 2016, since the government is crediting 1.16% of my basic salary, up to Rs. 6500, to my EPF account, I am supposed to provide my Aadhar number. The government states that since they are allocating this money from the consolidated fund of India, I am required to provide my Aadhar. Here lies my question - I do not want to receive this money from the consolidated fund of India. This is a welfare scheme, and I choose not to be a part of it.
Therefore, it is not a requirement for me to provide my Aadhar simply because I am a member of EPF and EPS. Please ensure you understand the technicalities before making any commitments.
From India, Kolkata
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It is your choice whether you want to link Aadhar to your EPF account; it's not forced on anyone. The only thing is that you may lose your hard-earned money, although it may be meager for you.
Regarding linking a bank account with EPF, you have only answered your question that many of them have more than one bank account.
Last but not least, even many people have more than one PAN card. I have seen especially ladies, after marriage, do not amend their existing PAN card but opt for a new one because it costs nothing.
The rest is all your choice on how to be a part of a Better India as an Indian citizen.
From India, Ahmadabad
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Regarding linking a bank account with EPF, you have only answered your question that many of them have more than one bank account.
Last but not least, even many people have more than one PAN card. I have seen especially ladies, after marriage, do not amend their existing PAN card but opt for a new one because it costs nothing.
The rest is all your choice on how to be a part of a Better India as an Indian citizen.
From India, Ahmadabad
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Hi Mr. SAJI,
Thanks for the clarification regarding Aadhar linking. I'm okay with Aadhar linking as I have already linked it with many other things. But my question was, why force me? As I have already explained, I need a mobile connection, so I linked it with Aadhar. I need to file ITR, so I linked it with PAN, but I don't need 1.6% of my basic, so why should I link Aadhar.
However, I have no issue doing that. What I have understood from your last post is that I do have a choice whether to link it or not. That was my concern; I should have a choice in all these. Being a citizen of India, I have some responsibilities, so I know it's better if I become a part of it. But I wasn't comfortable with the idea of forceful submission.
Anyway, thanks for your clarification.
From India, Kolkata
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Thanks for the clarification regarding Aadhar linking. I'm okay with Aadhar linking as I have already linked it with many other things. But my question was, why force me? As I have already explained, I need a mobile connection, so I linked it with Aadhar. I need to file ITR, so I linked it with PAN, but I don't need 1.6% of my basic, so why should I link Aadhar.
However, I have no issue doing that. What I have understood from your last post is that I do have a choice whether to link it or not. That was my concern; I should have a choice in all these. Being a citizen of India, I have some responsibilities, so I know it's better if I become a part of it. But I wasn't comfortable with the idea of forceful submission.
Anyway, thanks for your clarification.
From India, Kolkata
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People talking about personal privacy would never question when they go to so-called Western countries like the US, which uses SSN for all transactions.
Coming to the requirement submission of Aadhar for EPS, the act is defined by the pension earnings based on the salary and service period. Hence, pension calculations are the same for all employees and can't be separated by taking out 1.16% GOI contributions to the pension fund. Moreover, the pension fund is a pooled fund. GOI contributions are not only on 6500 but on actual EPS wages to the extent of INR 15000.
From India, Bangalore
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Coming to the requirement submission of Aadhar for EPS, the act is defined by the pension earnings based on the salary and service period. Hence, pension calculations are the same for all employees and can't be separated by taking out 1.16% GOI contributions to the pension fund. Moreover, the pension fund is a pooled fund. GOI contributions are not only on 6500 but on actual EPS wages to the extent of INR 15000.
From India, Bangalore
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