hi all,
myself pankaj jadhav from pune, currently working with Manipal Business solutions private limited As a Assistant Project Manager. (it is a part of Manipal Group) i am working here from last 2 months (from nov.2014)
actually my own home is at mumbai, but for this job i was shifting my home along with my family to PUNE. after 2 months they told me that we are transfering you to Manipur loaction (near to sikkim) . i was shocked with this notice and request them to not to transfer me beacuse i am just shifted here 2 months before , so they told me that if you are not going we will terminate you OR you Resign from your JOB.
on my offer letter and Salery slip it is clearly mentioned that Job Location = PUNE, Can they Terminate me.?????
please help
From India, undefined
myself pankaj jadhav from pune, currently working with Manipal Business solutions private limited As a Assistant Project Manager. (it is a part of Manipal Group) i am working here from last 2 months (from nov.2014)
actually my own home is at mumbai, but for this job i was shifting my home along with my family to PUNE. after 2 months they told me that we are transfering you to Manipur loaction (near to sikkim) . i was shocked with this notice and request them to not to transfer me beacuse i am just shifted here 2 months before , so they told me that if you are not going we will terminate you OR you Resign from your JOB.
on my offer letter and Salery slip it is clearly mentioned that Job Location = PUNE, Can they Terminate me.?????
please help
From India, undefined
Please read thru the letter and clauses again, though the joining location could be Pune, however if the offer or appointment letter says the company has the rights to transfer you for business reasons they have a edge.
From India, Pune
4From India, Pune
During the tenure of your services, you are liable to be transferred/delegated from the unit at the address of the company , where you are presently working, to any other unit of the company, anywhere, in India or abroad, solely at the discretion of the management of the company. For more details read the model company laws .
From India, Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
@Shiva786 @Brijendra
on My Offerletter it is not written anywhere which stated that they will send me anywhere.
they are(HR Dept) pressuring me to put a resignation otherrwise we will give you termination letter. if they terminating me then my salery of notice period will come or not?
From India, undefined
on My Offerletter it is not written anywhere which stated that they will send me anywhere.
they are(HR Dept) pressuring me to put a resignation otherrwise we will give you termination letter. if they terminating me then my salery of notice period will come or not?
From India, undefined
Hi
It all depends on what exactly is mentioned in your appointment letter.let me tell you that I m,very surprised to see that why people accept job without considering all terms and conditions of services.pls do not mind but I have read many such cases on this forum.request experts to guide .
Thanks
From India, Vadodara
It all depends on what exactly is mentioned in your appointment letter.let me tell you that I m,very surprised to see that why people accept job without considering all terms and conditions of services.pls do not mind but I have read many such cases on this forum.request experts to guide .
Thanks
From India, Vadodara
As mentioned by other forum members you have to read the terms and condition of the appointment letter/Employee hand book/Standing Orders etc. It is better to resign then to be terminated (purely my view) with regards to Notice Period again for that you have to refer the clause mentioned in your appointment letter since most of the company never give notice period during probation periods.
From India, Ahmadabad
From India, Ahmadabad
If there is a clause of transfer in either the appointment order or in the offer letter, the company has a right to transfer your services as transfer becomes part and parcel of your service condition and you cannot refuse the transfer. The only factor to be considered is that whether the transfer is genuine or not.
Under such conditions, the management may contend that refusal to join at the transferred place is a misconduct and can take action as per Law.
From India, Pune
Under such conditions, the management may contend that refusal to join at the transferred place is a misconduct and can take action as per Law.
From India, Pune
Since you do not seem to be covered under ID Act and you are a private employee, the employer can even terminate your service as per terms of appointment and in view Vaish Degree College decision of Apex Court decided in 1976, you cannot seek specific performance or injunction against employer. It is better to look for other job or comply with directions of employer. There are other decisions cited in the post on "Forced resignation during pregnancy" which you may refer to.
From India, New Delhi
From India, New Delhi
Agree with SHIVA786 because generally companies written these statement in the appointment letter where we called it Clause. So refer to your appointment letter they might mentioned e.g Many companies written this as technical way in the end 'In case of breach of any of the term or denial made by incumbent of this letter of employment and company rules and regulations, which constitute a misconduct on your part, your services liable to immediate termination etc
From Pakistan, Lahore
From Pakistan, Lahore
@ PankajJadhav,
You have posted that:
"on My Offerletter it is not written anywhere which stated that they will send me anywhere.
they are(HR Dept) pressuring me to put a resignation otherrwise we will give you termination letter. if they terminating me then my salery of notice period will come or not?
"
"After 2 Months They Told Me That We Are Transfering You To Manipur Loaction (Near To Sikkim) . I Was Shocked With This Notice"
You have a genuine issue at your hands.
I shall be trying to help you and your matter may get resolved..
1. If it is not stated in appointment letter issued to you that employer can transfer you (employee) then you can not be transferred ....
2. Does the management have its certified standing orders (CSO) and is your designation covered by CSO? Even if you are Asst. Project Manager you can be covered by these.
If yes go thru these and if transfer is not stated in CSO, you can not be transferred.
Once standing orders are certified (CSO) it becomes an instrument of law. If standing orders apply to the establishment but not certified then Model Standing Orders shall apply. Model Standing Orders is a statue.
IN case of conflict in service conditions stated in appointment letter and standing orders what will prevail:::::::Standing Orders being instrument of law/Statue shall prevail upon any private agreement/rule/policy that employer has drafted and signed with employee e.g: offer letter/appointment letter/HR policy/Employee handbook/contract of employment etc……..
3. If company has employed 50 or more person then as per Bombay Shops and Commercial Establishments Act (Sec38-B) standing orders shall apply……..
Your Labor Law Consultant/Service matters lawyer may ask you a set of structured questions and may opine that you shall be covered as both:::::as ‘Employee’ as in Bombay Shops and Commercial Establishments Act, and as ‘Workman’ as in ID Act….
Designation alone does not decide whether the employee shall be covered or not.
4. If company resorts to termination it has to tender notice pay @.....as stated in appointment letter issued to you…….on last day in office…..
5. What is the proof with you that:::
----You have been asked to resign in office (Audio/visual/witnesses/minutes of discussion…..)…..The onus to claim may fall upon you hence generate evidence….
----You have been asked to accept transfer to Manipal……(any written order)
Apparently you have not even minuted the mater……in writing under proper acknowledgment…….by letter/email addressed to good offices of appointing authority,MD,Chairman……..or even BM…
6. If you want to claim damages then you have to have the irrefutable evidence on your side…….
7. Has this company paid any relocation expenses to you (Mumbai to Pune + any other incidental expenses like readmission of children etc…….)?
Do you have the bills of all expenses of relocation?
8. The transfer can be contested successfully if employee can prove that it was malafide!
Once again you have to have irrefutable evidence……
The transfer to Manipal may be a penultimate transfer however you need to establish to prove it as malafide,biased, zealous etc……
9. Assuming that you have not so far built any evidence and you do not seem to be able to do so…………………you should seek help from local resources e.g. Employee’s Unions/Trade Unions leaders e.g. CITU/AITUC/INTUC/BMS etc………….
YOU can be a manager but still you can be a member of a unions and a union can embrace you…
As a matter of right you can take Union leader of for that matter even your lawyer with you to office for conciliation and union leader can be witness………..(record the meetings)………….
10. Demand of resignation is offence. Forced resignation can be termed deemed termination…….
Having explained it you should generate irrefutable evidence as in that case you can successfully contest the termination and transfer and claim damages………and the management may yield to avoid litigation and grant some time to you….
At Pune you can access Labor Law Consultants/Service Matters Lawyers/Law Firms par excellence and should show all docs on record and understand the merits before you proceed further….
From India, Chandigarh
You have posted that:
"on My Offerletter it is not written anywhere which stated that they will send me anywhere.
they are(HR Dept) pressuring me to put a resignation otherrwise we will give you termination letter. if they terminating me then my salery of notice period will come or not?
"
"After 2 Months They Told Me That We Are Transfering You To Manipur Loaction (Near To Sikkim) . I Was Shocked With This Notice"
You have a genuine issue at your hands.
I shall be trying to help you and your matter may get resolved..
1. If it is not stated in appointment letter issued to you that employer can transfer you (employee) then you can not be transferred ....
2. Does the management have its certified standing orders (CSO) and is your designation covered by CSO? Even if you are Asst. Project Manager you can be covered by these.
If yes go thru these and if transfer is not stated in CSO, you can not be transferred.
Once standing orders are certified (CSO) it becomes an instrument of law. If standing orders apply to the establishment but not certified then Model Standing Orders shall apply. Model Standing Orders is a statue.
IN case of conflict in service conditions stated in appointment letter and standing orders what will prevail:::::::Standing Orders being instrument of law/Statue shall prevail upon any private agreement/rule/policy that employer has drafted and signed with employee e.g: offer letter/appointment letter/HR policy/Employee handbook/contract of employment etc……..
3. If company has employed 50 or more person then as per Bombay Shops and Commercial Establishments Act (Sec38-B) standing orders shall apply……..
Your Labor Law Consultant/Service matters lawyer may ask you a set of structured questions and may opine that you shall be covered as both:::::as ‘Employee’ as in Bombay Shops and Commercial Establishments Act, and as ‘Workman’ as in ID Act….
Designation alone does not decide whether the employee shall be covered or not.
4. If company resorts to termination it has to tender notice pay @.....as stated in appointment letter issued to you…….on last day in office…..
5. What is the proof with you that:::
----You have been asked to resign in office (Audio/visual/witnesses/minutes of discussion…..)…..The onus to claim may fall upon you hence generate evidence….
----You have been asked to accept transfer to Manipal……(any written order)
Apparently you have not even minuted the mater……in writing under proper acknowledgment…….by letter/email addressed to good offices of appointing authority,MD,Chairman……..or even BM…
6. If you want to claim damages then you have to have the irrefutable evidence on your side…….
7. Has this company paid any relocation expenses to you (Mumbai to Pune + any other incidental expenses like readmission of children etc…….)?
Do you have the bills of all expenses of relocation?
8. The transfer can be contested successfully if employee can prove that it was malafide!
Once again you have to have irrefutable evidence……
The transfer to Manipal may be a penultimate transfer however you need to establish to prove it as malafide,biased, zealous etc……
9. Assuming that you have not so far built any evidence and you do not seem to be able to do so…………………you should seek help from local resources e.g. Employee’s Unions/Trade Unions leaders e.g. CITU/AITUC/INTUC/BMS etc………….
YOU can be a manager but still you can be a member of a unions and a union can embrace you…
As a matter of right you can take Union leader of for that matter even your lawyer with you to office for conciliation and union leader can be witness………..(record the meetings)………….
10. Demand of resignation is offence. Forced resignation can be termed deemed termination…….
Having explained it you should generate irrefutable evidence as in that case you can successfully contest the termination and transfer and claim damages………and the management may yield to avoid litigation and grant some time to you….
At Pune you can access Labor Law Consultants/Service Matters Lawyers/Law Firms par excellence and should show all docs on record and understand the merits before you proceed further….
From India, Chandigarh
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