Hi, please suggest me how to remit PF contribution of contractual employees since the contractor is not having PF account.
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You must ensure that your contractor applies for PF Registration and deducts for all the employees/workers engaged by the contractors.
Furthermore, you can insist that all contractors (existing and newly joining) submit copies of PF, ESI, and ST Registration, along with monthly remittance details and copies of Challans.
From India, Kumbakonam
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1189Furthermore, you can insist that all contractors (existing and newly joining) submit copies of PF, ESI, and ST Registration, along with monthly remittance details and copies of Challans.
From India, Kumbakonam
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labours were engaged for civil works and the work will complete by next month. only three months contribution we have to remit.
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Even for one day, we have to deduct the PF for the workers. It is the contractor's responsibility. If he is not remitting or not submitting the PF Challan along with the workers' PF remittance details, you have to deduct the amount of PF (employee + employer share = 25.61%) and keep it with you until the contractor submits the PF Challan. If he fails to remit, then you can remit directly to his account.
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Dear Sajith,
First of all, when an establishment or contractor not having registration under the EPF & MP Act is engaged for providing services on contract, the employees of the contractor will have to be added to the manpower strength of the principal employer, and compliance with the provisions of the Act in respect of such employees falls on the principal employer. The methodology for such remittance is detailed in the Act, and it has its own implications.
Instead, I would suggest that you award contracts for services to establishments that have establishment Code Numbers under the EPF & MP Act, ESI Act, etc., for the following reasons:
1. You will receive better services because such companies are generally established ones with large manpower support, business dealings with various other companies, and better management practices.
2. They will comply with the provisions of these Acts as Employers, and therefore, you won't have to bear the burden of compliance on behalf of your contractors.
However, you may insist on the production of proof of remittance of contributions under the relevant Acts concerning their employees deployed in your establishment as a precondition for processing bills by inserting suitable clauses in the contract agreement. This will ensure that there are no defaults by such establishments that could lead to actions against your company by the authorities under these Acts.
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From India, Mumbai
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First of all, when an establishment or contractor not having registration under the EPF & MP Act is engaged for providing services on contract, the employees of the contractor will have to be added to the manpower strength of the principal employer, and compliance with the provisions of the Act in respect of such employees falls on the principal employer. The methodology for such remittance is detailed in the Act, and it has its own implications.
Instead, I would suggest that you award contracts for services to establishments that have establishment Code Numbers under the EPF & MP Act, ESI Act, etc., for the following reasons:
1. You will receive better services because such companies are generally established ones with large manpower support, business dealings with various other companies, and better management practices.
2. They will comply with the provisions of these Acts as Employers, and therefore, you won't have to bear the burden of compliance on behalf of your contractors.
However, you may insist on the production of proof of remittance of contributions under the relevant Acts concerning their employees deployed in your establishment as a precondition for processing bills by inserting suitable clauses in the contract agreement. This will ensure that there are no defaults by such establishments that could lead to actions against your company by the authorities under these Acts.
Regards
From India, Mumbai
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If the contractor is not having own code no remit the contribution of his workers under your code and deduct the amount from contractors bill. Varghese Mathew
From India, Thiruvananthapuram
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From India, Thiruvananthapuram
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In the instant case, the options are:
1. The employer can pay both the PF contributions for the employees in his PF code number, including arrears.
2. The 2nd option is that the contractor should immediately approach and get PF code number from the concerned regional PF office. He can pay both the contributions by DD and obtain a code number.
3. If both the PE and contractor do not have facilities to pay, the 3rd option is to pay the PF contributions through a 3rd party service provider who will pay the PF contributions in his code number and do the services on payment of service charges.
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1. The employer can pay both the PF contributions for the employees in his PF code number, including arrears.
2. The 2nd option is that the contractor should immediately approach and get PF code number from the concerned regional PF office. He can pay both the contributions by DD and obtain a code number.
3. If both the PE and contractor do not have facilities to pay, the 3rd option is to pay the PF contributions through a 3rd party service provider who will pay the PF contributions in his code number and do the services on payment of service charges.
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From India, Selam
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Principal employer is accountable, and the contractor is responsible. If the contractor is not registered under EPF and ESI, then ask them to register within a specific time frame. When hiring a contractor, ensure that they are registered according to the applicable law. If not, you may remit the contract employees' contributions from your code and deduct it from their invoice. This practice was implemented for some contractors in my previous organization. Hope this information proves helpful.
From India, Bhubaneswar
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Hi, Simple way, if contractor not haveing PF Account, you can detect the both shares (emp & Empr) and pay your PF Account Number. Regards., P.K.J
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Dear Sajithnair74,
You have mentioned that the contractor does not have a PF account but did not mention the reason, which is very important to know.
If the contractor is a petty contractor with fewer than 20 employees altogether on his payroll and working exclusively for you, he is not liable to register himself with EPFO, meaning he is not required to have a PF account.
In such a case, you need to ensure that the employees of such a contractor working for you are covered under PF under your code.
Now, I am addressing your query. Your query is, how to remit PF contributions of contractor employees?
My answer to you is as follows:
You have the option to either include the names of contractor employees in your ECR or upload a separate ECR.
Although the system allows for multiple ECRs, I would rather suggest not doing so. I recommend including the names in your ECR.
Furthermore, I advise you to avoid such contractors in the future.
I do not recommend compliance with third-party payrolls for various reasons.
The same advice applies to other statutory remittances as well.
From India, Mumbai
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You have mentioned that the contractor does not have a PF account but did not mention the reason, which is very important to know.
If the contractor is a petty contractor with fewer than 20 employees altogether on his payroll and working exclusively for you, he is not liable to register himself with EPFO, meaning he is not required to have a PF account.
In such a case, you need to ensure that the employees of such a contractor working for you are covered under PF under your code.
Now, I am addressing your query. Your query is, how to remit PF contributions of contractor employees?
My answer to you is as follows:
You have the option to either include the names of contractor employees in your ECR or upload a separate ECR.
Although the system allows for multiple ECRs, I would rather suggest not doing so. I recommend including the names in your ECR.
Furthermore, I advise you to avoid such contractors in the future.
I do not recommend compliance with third-party payrolls for various reasons.
The same advice applies to other statutory remittances as well.
From India, Mumbai
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Dear Keshav Sir,
As a senior member of the forum, I need to share the pros and cons of third-party compliance with the members. Simply advising not to comply with third parties does not suffice the purpose, as the members are anxious to know the facts. Kindly share your views.
Regards, Azim Charania
From India, Mumbai
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As a senior member of the forum, I need to share the pros and cons of third-party compliance with the members. Simply advising not to comply with third parties does not suffice the purpose, as the members are anxious to know the facts. Kindly share your views.
Regards, Azim Charania
From India, Mumbai
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Dear Azim ji,
The topic you asked me to share with this forum is vast. I would not prefer to write an essay. Also, this forum is an open forum in which everyone writes whatever they wish to, without judging other posts. We have many experts, but they do not participate in any discussion due to this.
From India, Mumbai
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The topic you asked me to share with this forum is vast. I would not prefer to write an essay. Also, this forum is an open forum in which everyone writes whatever they wish to, without judging other posts. We have many experts, but they do not participate in any discussion due to this.
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Dear Seniors,
Please guide me on whether it is possible to generate multiple challans from a single EPF Code/Account. We have a company EPF code, but our contractor does not have an EPF code. Previously, we generated club ECR and challans.
Kindly advise if it is possible to generate multiple ECRs for the employer and a contractor. If so, please explain how it can be done and provide the necessary steps.
Thank you,
Kiran Bhatkande
From India, Bijapur
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Please guide me on whether it is possible to generate multiple challans from a single EPF Code/Account. We have a company EPF code, but our contractor does not have an EPF code. Previously, we generated club ECR and challans.
Kindly advise if it is possible to generate multiple ECRs for the employer and a contractor. If so, please explain how it can be done and provide the necessary steps.
Thank you,
Kiran Bhatkande
From India, Bijapur
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Yes, generation of multiple challans is very much possible. You can generate different challans for your company staff and another challan for your contractual staff. This will make your work easier during an audit.
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