Dear All,
Please find the BBS presentation attached herewith.
Kindly upload the BBS observation forms, and Actions taken at your end.
This shall be interesting to those who are yet to start on BBS
Regards,
Sudhir
From India, Nasik
1305Please find the BBS presentation attached herewith.
Kindly upload the BBS observation forms, and Actions taken at your end.
This shall be interesting to those who are yet to start on BBS
Regards,
Sudhir
From India, Nasik
Dear Seniors Do you have any format of BBS observation Sheet? If so please upload which will be useful to us. Best Regards, AITES
From India, Nasik
From India, Nasik
Dear sir, Same problem we are facing like we can’t understand what u want to understand through ppt . I request u pls again show a nice presentation Thanks & Regards Kavitak
From India, New Delhi
From India, New Delhi
Dear All
I had an oppertunity to discuss with one Human Activist who is actively working as part of one of the NGO's in our contry... According to him, he was against BBS... He was telling BBS is only pointing out the human error whereas behind every incident to occur there has to be a Sysetm Factor... When comes to BBS we are only focusing on Human Factor or Human Failure and under which the Sysetm factor gets dumped...
He was also telling that the Heinrich Theory prooved wrong... Was this a true statement? Anyone here having the updates request to come up!!!
I am beleiving that almost all the accidents are causing by Unsafe Act (96% As per DuPont and earlier attached presentaion by Mr. Sudhir)... Whether this BBS will be a great tool to bring cultural change in any organization? What you think?
Request to all come up with your views on above said statements!!! Let's have a positive discussion on this and try to come into a common conclusion...
From India
I had an oppertunity to discuss with one Human Activist who is actively working as part of one of the NGO's in our contry... According to him, he was against BBS... He was telling BBS is only pointing out the human error whereas behind every incident to occur there has to be a Sysetm Factor... When comes to BBS we are only focusing on Human Factor or Human Failure and under which the Sysetm factor gets dumped...
He was also telling that the Heinrich Theory prooved wrong... Was this a true statement? Anyone here having the updates request to come up!!!
I am beleiving that almost all the accidents are causing by Unsafe Act (96% As per DuPont and earlier attached presentaion by Mr. Sudhir)... Whether this BBS will be a great tool to bring cultural change in any organization? What you think?
Request to all come up with your views on above said statements!!! Let's have a positive discussion on this and try to come into a common conclusion...
From India
Dear Dipil,
I do not agree with the NGO.
If 96% accidents are caused by unsafe behavior, there has to be a system to capture them.
I also believe that the Heinrich Theory is perfect one. I regularly visit one of our suppliers for trainings on Safety to their employees. This is a medium size industry. Minor accidents was a routine in this company. After a few visits and after understanding some of the accidents, I predicted, they are very close to Major Accident.
My thoughts reflected in the training deliverables.
Within 45 days from then, there was a Fatal Accident in this company.
The Heinrich Triangle proved correct here. There were 30 cases of LTI. Adverse remarks from Govt Authorities.
In another incident one company had the major Fire twice.
The things depend a lot on culture, and BBS would help in bringing the Safety Culture.
However BBS should not be for disciplinary actions. It should be used as Improvement tool.
e.g. people should be trained, made aware of probable risks. Actions like warnings, memos, notices, transfers etc to be avoided.
Thanks & Regards,
Sudhir
From India, Nasik
I do not agree with the NGO.
If 96% accidents are caused by unsafe behavior, there has to be a system to capture them.
I also believe that the Heinrich Theory is perfect one. I regularly visit one of our suppliers for trainings on Safety to their employees. This is a medium size industry. Minor accidents was a routine in this company. After a few visits and after understanding some of the accidents, I predicted, they are very close to Major Accident.
My thoughts reflected in the training deliverables.
Within 45 days from then, there was a Fatal Accident in this company.
The Heinrich Triangle proved correct here. There were 30 cases of LTI. Adverse remarks from Govt Authorities.
In another incident one company had the major Fire twice.
The things depend a lot on culture, and BBS would help in bringing the Safety Culture.
However BBS should not be for disciplinary actions. It should be used as Improvement tool.
e.g. people should be trained, made aware of probable risks. Actions like warnings, memos, notices, transfers etc to be avoided.
Thanks & Regards,
Sudhir
From India, Nasik
Dear DipilSir
Thanks for the reply.
As the website is blocked in our company I can not be regular.
Some time not possible to go to netcafe and visit.
my id is
pl mail me the format.
Aites
From India, Nasik
Thanks for the reply.
As the website is blocked in our company I can not be regular.
Some time not possible to go to netcafe and visit.
my id is
pl mail me the format.
Aites
From India, Nasik
@Dipil,
Thank you for initiating the discussion. I do not know if the person you refer to was other than me. What happened in Dupont- the very company which propagate BBS? All interested must visit: Deprecated Browser Error.
After Heinrich several scientists worked on accident causation and prevention and have come up with theories. ILO published a wonderful book on the subject long back ( I have copy). I had privilege to attend an International Course organized by IIT Delhi which was in collaboration with Swedish University.
Students undergoing DIS courses are never given exposure to whole politics of safety and are also not exposed to new ideas. Our courses and organizations are heavily tilted and do not want to show other side of the story.
All those who want to know why BBS is being criticized world over by activists, pl. follow link:Behavioural safety - Hazards magazine
I am prepared to organize workshop on the subject if members are interested
From India, Coimbatore
Thank you for initiating the discussion. I do not know if the person you refer to was other than me. What happened in Dupont- the very company which propagate BBS? All interested must visit: Deprecated Browser Error.
After Heinrich several scientists worked on accident causation and prevention and have come up with theories. ILO published a wonderful book on the subject long back ( I have copy). I had privilege to attend an International Course organized by IIT Delhi which was in collaboration with Swedish University.
Students undergoing DIS courses are never given exposure to whole politics of safety and are also not exposed to new ideas. Our courses and organizations are heavily tilted and do not want to show other side of the story.
All those who want to know why BBS is being criticized world over by activists, pl. follow link:Behavioural safety - Hazards magazine
I am prepared to organize workshop on the subject if members are interested
From India, Coimbatore
The primary responsibility for making a workplace safety should lie with those who make the management and spending decisions, not those on the shopfloor who have to live (or die) with the consequences of them. See: http://www.hazards.org/bs
From United States
From United States
@Jagdish Patel
Dear Sir
Thanks for your participation into the thread... Its shows that seniors like you are reading all the discussions which are going on here even though not participating actively... I was mentioning our discussions only in my earlier posting...
Even though If I fully agrees to your comments against BBS then what is the best method available in Industry today for the prevention of Accidents? Any system offering 100% incident free atmosphere? Any proven method in the industry which is guaranteeing that there will not be any fatality if you adopt the same...
If you don't mind please come up with your comments... Why BBS is getting more importance in today’s industrial scenario if it is not a proven tool for bringing cultural change towards safety?
I am not commenting anything about the DuPont Video which you have mentioned... But one think whether DuPont claiming that if any company following their BBS there will not be any fatality... As per my knowledge NO... They claiming only if you follow all the set rules of the company stringently you can achieve better results... Following is the proverb from DuPont and this is only what they claim:
"You will always get the level of safety what you demonstrate you want and not what you say you want"
From India
Dear Sir
Thanks for your participation into the thread... Its shows that seniors like you are reading all the discussions which are going on here even though not participating actively... I was mentioning our discussions only in my earlier posting...
Even though If I fully agrees to your comments against BBS then what is the best method available in Industry today for the prevention of Accidents? Any system offering 100% incident free atmosphere? Any proven method in the industry which is guaranteeing that there will not be any fatality if you adopt the same...
If you don't mind please come up with your comments... Why BBS is getting more importance in today’s industrial scenario if it is not a proven tool for bringing cultural change towards safety?
I am not commenting anything about the DuPont Video which you have mentioned... But one think whether DuPont claiming that if any company following their BBS there will not be any fatality... As per my knowledge NO... They claiming only if you follow all the set rules of the company stringently you can achieve better results... Following is the proverb from DuPont and this is only what they claim:
"You will always get the level of safety what you demonstrate you want and not what you say you want"
From India
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