Hi Archana,
As u think it as a problem for everybody they have their own KRA's, decided by someone may be ur manager. Make sure what ever the work u do is intimated to him directly or indirectly. End of the day what ever the work u do there should be some recognition also. check if this helps out, I am not saying u to carry an umbrella to ur boss, but they should know that u people are doing work not everybody.
Rgds,
Siva
From India, Madras
As u think it as a problem for everybody they have their own KRA's, decided by someone may be ur manager. Make sure what ever the work u do is intimated to him directly or indirectly. End of the day what ever the work u do there should be some recognition also. check if this helps out, I am not saying u to carry an umbrella to ur boss, but they should know that u people are doing work not everybody.
Rgds,
Siva
From India, Madras
Hi Archna,
Very interesting issue this...
The main problem in this situation as I see it is that it is voluntary. When it is voluntary then there is nothing to draw out the performance from those people who only talk grandly and actually do nothing. It is dependant on their self-motivation primarily.
The only thing that can be done is what some people have already suggested here -during team meetings, praise the members who have worked in front of those who have not, and hope that it pinches them.
If it does not, then throw out the non-performers and replace them with more sincere and committed people... :wink: :D State the message that either people perform or they stay away.
Regards,
Devjit
From India, Gurgaon
2Very interesting issue this...
The main problem in this situation as I see it is that it is voluntary. When it is voluntary then there is nothing to draw out the performance from those people who only talk grandly and actually do nothing. It is dependant on their self-motivation primarily.
The only thing that can be done is what some people have already suggested here -during team meetings, praise the members who have worked in front of those who have not, and hope that it pinches them.
If it does not, then throw out the non-performers and replace them with more sincere and committed people... :wink: :D State the message that either people perform or they stay away.
Regards,
Devjit
From India, Gurgaon
Hi Jeevs & Devjit,
WOW!! that is an inspiring story. I have read this one a lot of time, thank you for reminding it.
There, in my case I'm not worried about the Hard Work or smart work, We all arranged everything without working hard. :D and lately everybody knows who did the work and who did not.
And truly speaking I'm least bothered about the credit part also.
My problem is just that, when you form a team voluntarily or involuntarily. Is it not your duty to perform all the responsibilities that you have taken in front of the whole group.
Obviously we cannot make any person work, but if we talk about motivation here, it is money they are motivated with.
Is money everything??
There is nothing called morals and values for these people and they are good experienced people, one of them is ex. Army personnel.
The situation has depressed me alot.
I want to know what all of you think on this. Am I wrong somewhere in drawing a conclusion for these people.
CHeers
Archna
From India, Delhi
WOW!! that is an inspiring story. I have read this one a lot of time, thank you for reminding it.
There, in my case I'm not worried about the Hard Work or smart work, We all arranged everything without working hard. :D and lately everybody knows who did the work and who did not.
And truly speaking I'm least bothered about the credit part also.
My problem is just that, when you form a team voluntarily or involuntarily. Is it not your duty to perform all the responsibilities that you have taken in front of the whole group.
Obviously we cannot make any person work, but if we talk about motivation here, it is money they are motivated with.
Is money everything??
There is nothing called morals and values for these people and they are good experienced people, one of them is ex. Army personnel.
The situation has depressed me alot.
I want to know what all of you think on this. Am I wrong somewhere in drawing a conclusion for these people.
CHeers
Archna
From India, Delhi
Hi Archna,
Look as far as this problem is concerned you have to be very aggressive at times, which you are not.
If even by accident you have to lead the team, then why not do it properly. Why wait for someone else to share any responsibility with you?
Yes, this is not team work, but dear this is not LEADERSHIP either.Be more aggressive and lead like you do in your office. How many people are as successful as you are at this stage of your career?
Now, if money motivates them for volunteer work also, tell your managers and they might change the team.
And please do not take the responsibility to change the whole world(I know I'm sounding rude :D ), there are people like that and there will be people like that.
CHill and Have fun
Abhinav
From Germany
Look as far as this problem is concerned you have to be very aggressive at times, which you are not.
If even by accident you have to lead the team, then why not do it properly. Why wait for someone else to share any responsibility with you?
Yes, this is not team work, but dear this is not LEADERSHIP either.Be more aggressive and lead like you do in your office. How many people are as successful as you are at this stage of your career?
Now, if money motivates them for volunteer work also, tell your managers and they might change the team.
And please do not take the responsibility to change the whole world(I know I'm sounding rude :D ), there are people like that and there will be people like that.
CHill and Have fun
Abhinav
From Germany
Hello Archana
You are facing a problem which i think prevails all most in all teams.
I think i have a recipe that can click..
1) Next time when there is any event, invite your sleeping buddys to coordinate the event.
2) Your Sleeping buddys might come up with new ideas & understand their responsibilitys so more they will involve themselves.
3) I t mighty be your SB are not efficient enough to lead, then make them realise the reality & all of you Busy bees make them quit.
4)On your issue of taking credibility, that is again an art, it seems urs SB have expertise in that. Always remember you are professional not socialist & you are here to work & get noticed & rewarded you will find your way.
Regards
Siddhartha Maini
From India, Bharuch
You are facing a problem which i think prevails all most in all teams.
I think i have a recipe that can click..
1) Next time when there is any event, invite your sleeping buddys to coordinate the event.
2) Your Sleeping buddys might come up with new ideas & understand their responsibilitys so more they will involve themselves.
3) I t mighty be your SB are not efficient enough to lead, then make them realise the reality & all of you Busy bees make them quit.
4)On your issue of taking credibility, that is again an art, it seems urs SB have expertise in that. Always remember you are professional not socialist & you are here to work & get noticed & rewarded you will find your way.
Regards
Siddhartha Maini
From India, Bharuch
Hi Siddharth,
I have done exactly what you are saying.
For some time I and other active members of the team will not take initiative in organising next event.
I'll wait for some time to let them start and internally we all will already prepare our own plan for the event without involving our sleeping members(I prefer not calling them buddies, because of the problems they have created).
We all want to see whether they take any initiative or plan for the event and DO SOMETHING for the event or not, and once the clear picture will be there, we all will come as a winner.
Cheers
Archna
From India, Delhi
I have done exactly what you are saying.
For some time I and other active members of the team will not take initiative in organising next event.
I'll wait for some time to let them start and internally we all will already prepare our own plan for the event without involving our sleeping members(I prefer not calling them buddies, because of the problems they have created).
We all want to see whether they take any initiative or plan for the event and DO SOMETHING for the event or not, and once the clear picture will be there, we all will come as a winner.
Cheers
Archna
From India, Delhi
it is very simple. Change the roles of the people from one event to another event (suggestion role to execution role) SIL
From India, Madras
From India, Madras
Hi Archana,
Very Interesting issue you have raised on this forum. I could find time at 11.20 pm to go through the recent discussions after a long pause. I have gone through the entire thread and would like to share such experience of mine ON TEAM WORK.
I wanted to join a voluntary organization, in which I was highly impressed with the team whomsoever had shown interest for that organization. The credit of wonderful hardwork was appreciated time and again. In the first meeting few people ditched to the coordinating members and vanished at the last minute. The others present had to pay extra money from their pockets, which they did not incur. Infact I volunteered to pay the money as a senior person of the group, thinking that the loss should not be borne unnecessary by those who had not been party to it. Anyway, I went by the decision of the group leader and every body present shared the expenses, as a good teamwork.
I do not know whether excess money share resulted into the exit of few other members who were present in the first meeting; but certainly I had received the feedback, that this was one of the reasons. The core team was decided with their roles and it was assumed to be happy beginning.
In the second meeting of identified core team members, the agenda was decided, and significantly light was thrown on legal aspects and lot of efforts, which were depending directly upon the official support liquidated due to non-presence of required official. The third meeting was called and the same story was repeated,…. started the meeting with good start but confused me personally when again it came on formulating the agenda as a way forward. I reacted to the group that decision shall be pending again by the non-presence of official in the third meeting too and we are back to square one. My reaction might had hurt the group, but I was not invited in the next meeting, I PRESUMED that I am not required.
CAN WE CONSIDER IT A TEAM WORK?
I chased out of my interest if I can contribute but I was told that the group is meeting separately and they shall let me know the progress. I contacted again few of the members who had picked up my call and they updated me and simultaneously out of my bad part, I offered few suggestions if that could be in the interest of organization. No feedback was given to me even after their meeting.
I received a call after few days when there was some trouble in organizing an event. I tried to offer my services if the last chance taken by the group fails. I was promised of giving the feedback this time also but did not receive any call; I do not know if I was wrongly understood.
I do not know if all this going on was teamwork?
How much we had known each other on personal capacity, GOD may bless them all. I never wanted to gain sympathy of the team members from my difficult phase of life. However, with my social network, I am capable of handling this by the grace of GOD. It is just being shared out of my emotions that the treatment of my son was going on and still going on…he is suffering from HEPATITIS A&B, my old father was hospitalized for operation and still he has to undergo another operation.
The worst part is that the team did not understand each other and started BLOWING EACH OTHER.
I am thankful to dear Archana for bringing such issue in our forum where people still need to understand the importance of TEAM WORK. I think Knowing team members would better constitute a good team and team working. I honestly feel kicked out from that organization at this stage. I think I am.
Should I still continue in that voluntary organization, will you kindly make it convenient to advise?
I need the advise of other valued members of the Citehr too.
Parashar
P.S. My personal advise to you for your organization is to say goodbye to sleeping partners than keeping them hanging no where. If at all they are required, show courage to talk to them headon. This is my suggestion not an advise.
I was one of the lead speaker in recent Global HR Meet and had mentioned about Citehr community. People took interest in knowing about it. I am happy to inform few Citehrians were present already in that meet.
CHEERS
From India, Delhi
Very Interesting issue you have raised on this forum. I could find time at 11.20 pm to go through the recent discussions after a long pause. I have gone through the entire thread and would like to share such experience of mine ON TEAM WORK.
I wanted to join a voluntary organization, in which I was highly impressed with the team whomsoever had shown interest for that organization. The credit of wonderful hardwork was appreciated time and again. In the first meeting few people ditched to the coordinating members and vanished at the last minute. The others present had to pay extra money from their pockets, which they did not incur. Infact I volunteered to pay the money as a senior person of the group, thinking that the loss should not be borne unnecessary by those who had not been party to it. Anyway, I went by the decision of the group leader and every body present shared the expenses, as a good teamwork.
I do not know whether excess money share resulted into the exit of few other members who were present in the first meeting; but certainly I had received the feedback, that this was one of the reasons. The core team was decided with their roles and it was assumed to be happy beginning.
In the second meeting of identified core team members, the agenda was decided, and significantly light was thrown on legal aspects and lot of efforts, which were depending directly upon the official support liquidated due to non-presence of required official. The third meeting was called and the same story was repeated,…. started the meeting with good start but confused me personally when again it came on formulating the agenda as a way forward. I reacted to the group that decision shall be pending again by the non-presence of official in the third meeting too and we are back to square one. My reaction might had hurt the group, but I was not invited in the next meeting, I PRESUMED that I am not required.
CAN WE CONSIDER IT A TEAM WORK?
I chased out of my interest if I can contribute but I was told that the group is meeting separately and they shall let me know the progress. I contacted again few of the members who had picked up my call and they updated me and simultaneously out of my bad part, I offered few suggestions if that could be in the interest of organization. No feedback was given to me even after their meeting.
I received a call after few days when there was some trouble in organizing an event. I tried to offer my services if the last chance taken by the group fails. I was promised of giving the feedback this time also but did not receive any call; I do not know if I was wrongly understood.
I do not know if all this going on was teamwork?
How much we had known each other on personal capacity, GOD may bless them all. I never wanted to gain sympathy of the team members from my difficult phase of life. However, with my social network, I am capable of handling this by the grace of GOD. It is just being shared out of my emotions that the treatment of my son was going on and still going on…he is suffering from HEPATITIS A&B, my old father was hospitalized for operation and still he has to undergo another operation.
The worst part is that the team did not understand each other and started BLOWING EACH OTHER.
I am thankful to dear Archana for bringing such issue in our forum where people still need to understand the importance of TEAM WORK. I think Knowing team members would better constitute a good team and team working. I honestly feel kicked out from that organization at this stage. I think I am.
Should I still continue in that voluntary organization, will you kindly make it convenient to advise?
I need the advise of other valued members of the Citehr too.
Parashar
P.S. My personal advise to you for your organization is to say goodbye to sleeping partners than keeping them hanging no where. If at all they are required, show courage to talk to them headon. This is my suggestion not an advise.
I was one of the lead speaker in recent Global HR Meet and had mentioned about Citehr community. People took interest in knowing about it. I am happy to inform few Citehrians were present already in that meet.
CHEERS
From India, Delhi
Dear Parashar,
Thank you for your suggestion for leaving the sleeping partners out of the team, we did exactly that and the result were tremendous.
Regarding the case that you have put, these are my sugestions:
# You said you voluntarily participated in the organisation, so why so much expectations in terms of "INVITATIONS" to attend another meeting.
# In the first meeting, it was not only you but other members also who paid the excess money, but no one except you raised this issue, I may be wrong here and you may be correct that in second meeting most of them did not turned up because of this. But who knows the truth.
# Regarding the presence of official in the meetings, I dont really know it was required. The so called official was involved in each step and supported the organisation totally, HIS SUPPORT WAS THEIR THROUGH OUT.
# I took a two days session in one of ASIA's best Management Institute on Team work and discussed this case of mine with them. The upcoming Managers and some of them Leaders also gave me a wonderful conclusion which I'll surely share with all in few days.
# You were a part of Organising committee, and you wanted an invitation, that's SURPRISING. This is surely not Team work.
# Giving suggestions and not walking the talk is the real problem, if you can chase those people and give suggestions, why not work and show them.
# Now the personal life, when we are talking about this in open, let me also say this:
Second meet: my brother was down with typhoid and I'm the only one to take care, still I made sure I should come for the meet. Interstingly, I was also not at all well, and I came. WHY? Because I was the team leader.
Third meet: I lost my father's ELDER BROTHER, just three days back but I made sure I attend this meet, which was organised by just 4 members of the SO called organising committee. One more member lost his CHACHA, he could not come but he was there through out for the work, not just talk.
MAY God bless your son.
Regards,
Archna
From India, Delhi
Thank you for your suggestion for leaving the sleeping partners out of the team, we did exactly that and the result were tremendous.
Regarding the case that you have put, these are my sugestions:
# You said you voluntarily participated in the organisation, so why so much expectations in terms of "INVITATIONS" to attend another meeting.
# In the first meeting, it was not only you but other members also who paid the excess money, but no one except you raised this issue, I may be wrong here and you may be correct that in second meeting most of them did not turned up because of this. But who knows the truth.
# Regarding the presence of official in the meetings, I dont really know it was required. The so called official was involved in each step and supported the organisation totally, HIS SUPPORT WAS THEIR THROUGH OUT.
# I took a two days session in one of ASIA's best Management Institute on Team work and discussed this case of mine with them. The upcoming Managers and some of them Leaders also gave me a wonderful conclusion which I'll surely share with all in few days.
# You were a part of Organising committee, and you wanted an invitation, that's SURPRISING. This is surely not Team work.
# Giving suggestions and not walking the talk is the real problem, if you can chase those people and give suggestions, why not work and show them.
# Now the personal life, when we are talking about this in open, let me also say this:
Second meet: my brother was down with typhoid and I'm the only one to take care, still I made sure I should come for the meet. Interstingly, I was also not at all well, and I came. WHY? Because I was the team leader.
Third meet: I lost my father's ELDER BROTHER, just three days back but I made sure I attend this meet, which was organised by just 4 members of the SO called organising committee. One more member lost his CHACHA, he could not come but he was there through out for the work, not just talk.
MAY God bless your son.
Regards,
Archna
From India, Delhi
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