Though this should be encouraged. This will weaken the discipline of our companies. This is a stigma on our working culture as well as on the society. No religion allows this. However, the work of the company has not suffered but concerned staff member/s should be counselled and strict warning should be issued to avoid such cases in future.
From India, Patiala
3From India, Patiala
Which country she belongs to? First thing is that she should come out of middle east safely. Her safety is first. A person cannot be terminated in India just because of pregnancy in India - therefore if yours is an Indian Company and she has been deputed there then you cannot terminate. What she has done may be morally incorrect but may have happened in a weak moment or whatever - only she can tell the circumstances - better we do not judge.
If there is a risk to her life or if she is likely to be arrested if your legally terminate her on account of getting pregnant - then pl speak to her and tell her about the risk involved and ask her to resign and leave the middle-east before the bigots make an issue out of this.
Gayatri
From India, Chandigarh
If there is a risk to her life or if she is likely to be arrested if your legally terminate her on account of getting pregnant - then pl speak to her and tell her about the risk involved and ask her to resign and leave the middle-east before the bigots make an issue out of this.
Gayatri
From India, Chandigarh
Dear Pinky,
If it comes to worse " it is better that she should be allowed to resign, get her dues settled coolly and see that she lands in India safely with clear documents" . Poor girl deserves all sympathy and support at this unfortunate, precarious situation she is placed. Just for my information - wouldn't that the hospital where the abortion was done face legal obligations ? if so how she can escape from this danger ?
kumar.s.
From India, Bangalore
If it comes to worse " it is better that she should be allowed to resign, get her dues settled coolly and see that she lands in India safely with clear documents" . Poor girl deserves all sympathy and support at this unfortunate, precarious situation she is placed. Just for my information - wouldn't that the hospital where the abortion was done face legal obligations ? if so how she can escape from this danger ?
kumar.s.
From India, Bangalore
Dear Pinky,
Though the issue appears to be closed thequestion you raised remains.
Thanks for posting and creating an aweness of such a situation
As for as Indian Labour Laws and Govt Rules for maternity benefits and childcare etc are concerned.it is all about whether the female employee requires rest,leave and support for cnfinement and delivery,and care for the child.The conception,whether it is legal or illegal is beyond the question.It is individual's right.She might have become pregnant by fertility treatment, by a consented sex without marriage,or rape.The fact of carrying a child entitles her for the
maternity benefits.
As for ethics,country spefic rules,and company'spolicies are concerned,
(i)It should be ensured whether the country's rules regarding moral behaviour/crimes interferes with individuals contract of employment?
(ii)Whether the employer should take cognisance of such happenings?When it is not so, the employer is acting beyond his powers.
(iii)Unless the facts are brought on record by recording evidences, such facts are difficult to take action.
(iv)In these days of single mothers,having a child without wedlock if your company continues with old morals the company will end in winding up.
We dont recommend immorality,but changes in work place should be taken note by company.----Priyan
From India, Mumbai
Though the issue appears to be closed thequestion you raised remains.
Thanks for posting and creating an aweness of such a situation
As for as Indian Labour Laws and Govt Rules for maternity benefits and childcare etc are concerned.it is all about whether the female employee requires rest,leave and support for cnfinement and delivery,and care for the child.The conception,whether it is legal or illegal is beyond the question.It is individual's right.She might have become pregnant by fertility treatment, by a consented sex without marriage,or rape.The fact of carrying a child entitles her for the
maternity benefits.
As for ethics,country spefic rules,and company'spolicies are concerned,
(i)It should be ensured whether the country's rules regarding moral behaviour/crimes interferes with individuals contract of employment?
(ii)Whether the employer should take cognisance of such happenings?When it is not so, the employer is acting beyond his powers.
(iii)Unless the facts are brought on record by recording evidences, such facts are difficult to take action.
(iv)In these days of single mothers,having a child without wedlock if your company continues with old morals the company will end in winding up.
We dont recommend immorality,but changes in work place should be taken note by company.----Priyan
From India, Mumbai
I am agreed with Mr Dharmesh Doshi, if you want to terminate no need to give any reasons. But you should not refer this reason in termination letter. She having her personal life. Pl check your company rules and ploicy, mostly you would not find any such rules and/or policy in your company management frem work. Still you want to take termination action call her and discusse mater with her in person and try to agree her for submitting her resignation and reslove the issue.
Dushyant Shah
From India, Pune
Dushyant Shah
From India, Pune
Dear All,
Some typographical mistakes in my post and some additions.
Pls read as: The issue has created awareness of such situation which calls for sympathetic approach.
Read as'Country specific rules'-where it appears.
If your company operates in so many countries the company cannot function as moral police
for the country.With changes happening in every field,and changes in cultures/morals of every country
an indidual's contribution to the company should be the priority in deciding the continuance/dismissal of an employee.
Thanks.
Priyan
From India, Mumbai
Some typographical mistakes in my post and some additions.
Pls read as: The issue has created awareness of such situation which calls for sympathetic approach.
Read as'Country specific rules'-where it appears.
If your company operates in so many countries the company cannot function as moral police
for the country.With changes happening in every field,and changes in cultures/morals of every country
an indidual's contribution to the company should be the priority in deciding the continuance/dismissal of an employee.
Thanks.
Priyan
From India, Mumbai
Issue is not about acting as moral police of the country. But the law of the land has to be complied with. In UAE, getting pregnant out of wedlock is a crime and punishable offence. Once a person has committed a crime as per the law of the land, the company has to immediately act. If not the company could be in danger of losing its licence to function. Appreciate the management that they are only removing the lady concerned and not intmating the law enforcers. If they do, she will be in jail and then after serving the sentence, she will be deported with a permanent bar to enter UAE. This literally means, she cannot get Visa for most countries and may not get a job abroad. They are not ruining her career. They are in fact getting her to leave, so that she could build her life elsewhere. Neither are they informing the Law enforcing agencies. We need to appreciate that. And also the way Pinky is handling by being very senisitive to the human side of the lady concerned also needs to be appreciated.
Most of us come from democratic countries like India, USA, European countries. But, one thing we have to realise is that major parts of the world are not democratic. Hence, they will not have such broad democratic principles of governance.
Comparing laws of democratic countries and asking that it be applied in non democratic country is impractical and not realistic.
From Nigeria
Most of us come from democratic countries like India, USA, European countries. But, one thing we have to realise is that major parts of the world are not democratic. Hence, they will not have such broad democratic principles of governance.
Comparing laws of democratic countries and asking that it be applied in non democratic country is impractical and not realistic.
From Nigeria
I appreciate the contents of the post by Anonymous. I agree how difficult it would be to escape from the clutches of local laws especially in Muslim (gulf) countries where it's different than that of India. I also appreciate their management in helping her avert imminent ignominy. God save her & the employer.
kumar.s.
From India, Bangalore
kumar.s.
From India, Bangalore
Dear all,
You all have separate comments on this issue, and that reflects each one perspective on this issue. I appreciate all. Whether it's India or Dubai, here HR can not show its rules, regulation, laws. It should be tackle with tender care, whenever she did abortion that means, she has some fear regarding job losing or society living, so please take care her and this is her high time . Being a HR person deal with her softly. advice her not to repeat this thing, be aware about social living. Don't ask for resignation.( Exceptional only if that female employee nature or character is different/ not normal and indifferent/stoic with your support.
From India, Kolkata
You all have separate comments on this issue, and that reflects each one perspective on this issue. I appreciate all. Whether it's India or Dubai, here HR can not show its rules, regulation, laws. It should be tackle with tender care, whenever she did abortion that means, she has some fear regarding job losing or society living, so please take care her and this is her high time . Being a HR person deal with her softly. advice her not to repeat this thing, be aware about social living. Don't ask for resignation.( Exceptional only if that female employee nature or character is different/ not normal and indifferent/stoic with your support.
From India, Kolkata
If you think that your hotel and this staff memebr will face problem, which may be right, then you should not have flared this issue, instead you should have simply discussed this issue one to one with this staff memebr and asked her to resign. Please do not terminate her, but ask her to resign, so that she can look out for another job, leaving her past behind.
From India, Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
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