Hi
I totally agree with you .... you can see when a new HR Manager joins all male HR Team he fels restless since no female members are there so he uses his power to displace the existing members and then recurit female HR's .
But unfortunately senior management never looks out while interviewing how many candidates were seen and how many females were senn nad hw many male candidates were seen ? and the HR Managers/VP - HR gets on.
Rgrds
Vinay
9866254387
hYderabad
From India, Hyderabad
24I totally agree with you .... you can see when a new HR Manager joins all male HR Team he fels restless since no female members are there so he uses his power to displace the existing members and then recurit female HR's .
But unfortunately senior management never looks out while interviewing how many candidates were seen and how many females were senn nad hw many male candidates were seen ? and the HR Managers/VP - HR gets on.
Rgrds
Vinay
9866254387
hYderabad
From India, Hyderabad
Yes it happens. I am not so fortunate to have been asked by a woman for favours.Much as i might secretly desire. Things have changed with the rapid and anarchic inegalatarian growth.Power is the key. At a certain level sex is power and currency for success.Virginity and sex for fun are no longer sacrosant.One cannot use old fashioned values in a new paradigm.Value systems are the product of social realities and hence dynamic. Good or bad therefore, is the matter of context.Morality is a mere by product.
Sex is like beauty,skill,talent knowledge or whatever.It is a core competency.HR professionals do not get scandalised.!!!!
From India, New Delhi
Sex is like beauty,skill,talent knowledge or whatever.It is a core competency.HR professionals do not get scandalised.!!!!
From India, New Delhi
Hi Sanjeev,
Interesting debate you've got there...
Have spent one and a half decades in the corporate world but fortunately have come across very few instances of this kind.
I guess, it's not only the person offering sex who is to be blamed, but also the one who accepts it in return for a few professional favors- reference the instance mentioned about the candidate rejected for offering "whatever you want".
It is become quite normal these days for people to be in live-in relationships, have premarital sex, ...... and all this happening while in college !!! This has resulted in such offers becoming rampant in the industry which is seen as an easy way to grow professionally. I wonder what happens to such employees when either their current boss changes or they move into a different organisation... do they make the same kind of offers in the new context, too?
Regards,
Inder
From India, Mumbai
Interesting debate you've got there...
Have spent one and a half decades in the corporate world but fortunately have come across very few instances of this kind.
I guess, it's not only the person offering sex who is to be blamed, but also the one who accepts it in return for a few professional favors- reference the instance mentioned about the candidate rejected for offering "whatever you want".
It is become quite normal these days for people to be in live-in relationships, have premarital sex, ...... and all this happening while in college !!! This has resulted in such offers becoming rampant in the industry which is seen as an easy way to grow professionally. I wonder what happens to such employees when either their current boss changes or they move into a different organisation... do they make the same kind of offers in the new context, too?
Regards,
Inder
From India, Mumbai
Hi friends,
Even sexual harassment has now a days become common,if both the parties with mutually concern it is not been considered and taken as a big issue bcoz they commonly call it as "personal" issue............. and close tat chapter,
But wen it comes to one party doesnt like or agree it is said to be sexual harassment,but there are no severe punishments given in any industry.........
With regards,
G.Sharmila
(28/7/07)
From India, Madras
Even sexual harassment has now a days become common,if both the parties with mutually concern it is not been considered and taken as a big issue bcoz they commonly call it as "personal" issue............. and close tat chapter,
But wen it comes to one party doesnt like or agree it is said to be sexual harassment,but there are no severe punishments given in any industry.........
With regards,
G.Sharmila
(28/7/07)
From India, Madras
Hello friends,
This is Hanuma .doing 1st year engineering in BAPATLA ENGINEERING COLLEGE , BAPATLA ---ANDHRA PRADESH...
I feel at 19 , I am quite young to address to this topic
But I too want to have a say here...
The topic posted here was e regal one.
This is one of the most common issues in the modern day society.
Many people , who are in temptation to earn money in the form of salary ,
incentives are preparing mentally to do any thing what the cheif of organisation , requires from his/her.Even they are ready to have "sex" with their cheif's for this purpose.
Some Others are using this as a cheif weapon in securing a job.
They are ready to give , what the higher officials( intervewer's) are
insisting them to..Some are going in this way unnoticed, But really
what they are doing is , loosing their own integrity at the cost of hike in salary or getting a job.
As of now , India just came down from 2nd position in having most number of AIDS patients to 3rd place in the whole world.This is one of the Most dangerous disease in the modern era..
As some feel that, in this IT,NON-IT and ITES dominant world,
people having sex at very tenderly age are growing quite rapidly.
With the information posted in internet websites , dvd's and cd's that are
prevaling in society , a boy/girl are quite ready for that mentally .
So with this information , even in MNC's some of boss's are insisting
on to spend the time with them in weekends and free time.
Even in using Cellphones , they are taking the numbers of girls/boys
and are inducing the oposite sex to chatting and later for direct physical
contact between their bodies.
As most commonly the word "DATE " is more often or not is being used
by almost 60% of employees , working in IT sector.
As the job schedule is during time, they are feeling that it it is the best time to have a chat......
Overall this has to be removed as prime factor , in securing jobs or getting hike's in salary..This should not be the scale of a person's worth.
If one can get a job by just having sex in weekend's and in free time,
Why to study this much education, by paying a lot of tutuion fee and wasting time money ?? They can get the money right from the moment
they have enough knowledge regarding sex and the growth of human mind physically and the changes that take place in transistion period from a kid to a matured mind...
What DO you people say????
Regards,
Hanuma...ever smiling (suryahanuma@gmail.com)
From India, Kakinada
This is Hanuma .doing 1st year engineering in BAPATLA ENGINEERING COLLEGE , BAPATLA ---ANDHRA PRADESH...
I feel at 19 , I am quite young to address to this topic
But I too want to have a say here...
The topic posted here was e regal one.
This is one of the most common issues in the modern day society.
Many people , who are in temptation to earn money in the form of salary ,
incentives are preparing mentally to do any thing what the cheif of organisation , requires from his/her.Even they are ready to have "sex" with their cheif's for this purpose.
Some Others are using this as a cheif weapon in securing a job.
They are ready to give , what the higher officials( intervewer's) are
insisting them to..Some are going in this way unnoticed, But really
what they are doing is , loosing their own integrity at the cost of hike in salary or getting a job.
As of now , India just came down from 2nd position in having most number of AIDS patients to 3rd place in the whole world.This is one of the Most dangerous disease in the modern era..
As some feel that, in this IT,NON-IT and ITES dominant world,
people having sex at very tenderly age are growing quite rapidly.
With the information posted in internet websites , dvd's and cd's that are
prevaling in society , a boy/girl are quite ready for that mentally .
So with this information , even in MNC's some of boss's are insisting
on to spend the time with them in weekends and free time.
Even in using Cellphones , they are taking the numbers of girls/boys
and are inducing the oposite sex to chatting and later for direct physical
contact between their bodies.
As most commonly the word "DATE " is more often or not is being used
by almost 60% of employees , working in IT sector.
As the job schedule is during time, they are feeling that it it is the best time to have a chat......
Overall this has to be removed as prime factor , in securing jobs or getting hike's in salary..This should not be the scale of a person's worth.
If one can get a job by just having sex in weekend's and in free time,
Why to study this much education, by paying a lot of tutuion fee and wasting time money ?? They can get the money right from the moment
they have enough knowledge regarding sex and the growth of human mind physically and the changes that take place in transistion period from a kid to a matured mind...
What DO you people say????
Regards,
Hanuma...ever smiling (suryahanuma@gmail.com)
From India, Kakinada
This mostly happens in BPO where the girls themselves wear half naked clothes and lure their team leaders and managers, so in this way they get promoted irrespective of any knowledge in english, or communication skills just because they satisfy the desire of their colleagues , managers, team leaders they stay in BPO and dress as if they are pros******.. This happens in almost all BPO , sex at office is a common thing ,,
From India, Pune
From India, Pune
Dear Sanjeev
Quite a spear-pointed subject to discuss about but great that its been raised and absolutely true that it happens not even inside organizations but even in world external but directly related to the organization.
1) Have you heard about any such incident in your friend circle? Have not only heard but witnessed too. I started my career in HR with a telecom giant 7 years back and it had even perforated HR. There have been instances where so called dinner participants with VP - HR saw absorptions & promotions the very next day, that too over & above the budgeted manpower. I moved on to head a leading organization in financial sector, saw high attrition in female sales force. Reason - for a high bracket sale of financial product the need is to escort the clientele to a "dinner". Do this, the deal is closed, promotions happen at workplace. Dont do this, no business, no promotion.
2) Have you received such proposals from your bosses? Never had a female boss, hence no encounters to date.
3) Do you think it is ethical? It certainly is not, but the blunt truth is that it happens and happens without after thought of implications in enough workplaces in varied industries. Few raise this to the Sexual Harrassment Committees, rest of the best female staff with high self respect & values quitely leave and remaining few justify the means to the end.
4) If given a choice, will you walk the similar roads? (Recently we also discussed about “thinking through head and thinking through heart”) in this case, how will you think? Have encountered this bluntly in an interview, the lady very blatantly asked, "Why interview, wouldnt a date do the offer".
It must also be noted that, sex at workplace is not only a give & take one night stand but in some cases it takes the form of harassment too. Where the "plaint" is to implicate any male officer in to a tight spot.
Anyways its a route that some walk without hesitation and some choose to seperate from the organization.
regards
steney
From India, Kochi
Quite a spear-pointed subject to discuss about but great that its been raised and absolutely true that it happens not even inside organizations but even in world external but directly related to the organization.
1) Have you heard about any such incident in your friend circle? Have not only heard but witnessed too. I started my career in HR with a telecom giant 7 years back and it had even perforated HR. There have been instances where so called dinner participants with VP - HR saw absorptions & promotions the very next day, that too over & above the budgeted manpower. I moved on to head a leading organization in financial sector, saw high attrition in female sales force. Reason - for a high bracket sale of financial product the need is to escort the clientele to a "dinner". Do this, the deal is closed, promotions happen at workplace. Dont do this, no business, no promotion.
2) Have you received such proposals from your bosses? Never had a female boss, hence no encounters to date.
3) Do you think it is ethical? It certainly is not, but the blunt truth is that it happens and happens without after thought of implications in enough workplaces in varied industries. Few raise this to the Sexual Harrassment Committees, rest of the best female staff with high self respect & values quitely leave and remaining few justify the means to the end.
4) If given a choice, will you walk the similar roads? (Recently we also discussed about “thinking through head and thinking through heart”) in this case, how will you think? Have encountered this bluntly in an interview, the lady very blatantly asked, "Why interview, wouldnt a date do the offer".
It must also be noted that, sex at workplace is not only a give & take one night stand but in some cases it takes the form of harassment too. Where the "plaint" is to implicate any male officer in to a tight spot.
Anyways its a route that some walk without hesitation and some choose to seperate from the organization.
regards
steney
From India, Kochi
hi all,
I personally feel tht some people start marching on this road to get instant growth. But they are very few. They know that they can not survive in today's cut-edge competition with quality people. So they prefer this Shortcut Method.
Also we must agree that there may be very few people who doesnt have any other option but to go this way only but that can be one of the excuses.
The bottom line is one who follows this way can not last long. The one who will perform will survive.
regards,
mayuresh
From India, Pune
I personally feel tht some people start marching on this road to get instant growth. But they are very few. They know that they can not survive in today's cut-edge competition with quality people. So they prefer this Shortcut Method.
Also we must agree that there may be very few people who doesnt have any other option but to go this way only but that can be one of the excuses.
The bottom line is one who follows this way can not last long. The one who will perform will survive.
regards,
mayuresh
From India, Pune
Hi HR Gems:
well, interesting topic but nevethless i dont see these things are happening nowa days, but yes of course it was there 10years back as one of our HR was stating
its totally depending on the individual that how they think and what way they want to grow and am sure there will not be a stability in their growth as such this new era has lot of competetion and we know that what is the time line they can lead to....
of course this is not at all professionalism, whether someone is asking the weekend or the three letter word which is so popular these days and in a traditional country like India we are into, we are loosing its value day by day by adopting the Western culture
anywayz, to my knowledge i dont feel this is a best practice and though if some one is going on this way will not sustain for a long.
"Live life with what you ahcieve on your own"
Thanks
- Mirza
From Saudi Arabia, Jiddah
well, interesting topic but nevethless i dont see these things are happening nowa days, but yes of course it was there 10years back as one of our HR was stating
its totally depending on the individual that how they think and what way they want to grow and am sure there will not be a stability in their growth as such this new era has lot of competetion and we know that what is the time line they can lead to....
of course this is not at all professionalism, whether someone is asking the weekend or the three letter word which is so popular these days and in a traditional country like India we are into, we are loosing its value day by day by adopting the Western culture
anywayz, to my knowledge i dont feel this is a best practice and though if some one is going on this way will not sustain for a long.
"Live life with what you ahcieve on your own"
Thanks
- Mirza
From Saudi Arabia, Jiddah
Dear sanjeeV,
This topic is bold to discuss. Yes, I have the same exprience that people using sex for climbing the corporate ladder.
I have gone through one of the situation in my company where I am working as HR.even i had shared the case with Citehr members before.
A trainee, a girl of around 22 years of age joined my company and as soon as she joined she just tied with one of her team leader and slept with her on every saturday.She was with the concept that her Team leader can recomend her for better positions in the company and she had done her B. Tech with 6 back papers and she had a fear if the HR will ask for certificates.Her Team lead assured her that he will convince the HR not to ask for certificate as the HR is one of his best friend which was a lie.She managed to convince and directly used her sex .When it was known we fired the team lead for his involvement in such activities with office colleagues.Now when she found her TL no more in the company to become her adovacate she searched another TL who is a bit powerful and management listens his words. Thesedays she is sleeping with her so that he can anyway manage to keep her in the company as he has a good reputation with management.
While going a bit deep in to her practice of using sex, one of the resource informed us that this girl even used her sex with her senior calssmates and friends to get some help in studies, preparing project papers etc while she was in her college.
Sanjeev, tell me what you can do in this type of situation.Its not a issue of only corporate world, where a girl of 19-20 years age use her sex to get help in her studies. how can you tell that this is only an issue in the corporate world? A girl of 22 years of age just using her sex to climb the corporate world.What we HR perosn will do in this case. The answer is obvious A BIG Nothing to do.
I had gone through somany cases during 6 years of my professional career with Human resource.Sleeping around as told by one of our HR friend is just being the funda here.
Thanks
DEv
From India, Gurgaon
This topic is bold to discuss. Yes, I have the same exprience that people using sex for climbing the corporate ladder.
I have gone through one of the situation in my company where I am working as HR.even i had shared the case with Citehr members before.
A trainee, a girl of around 22 years of age joined my company and as soon as she joined she just tied with one of her team leader and slept with her on every saturday.She was with the concept that her Team leader can recomend her for better positions in the company and she had done her B. Tech with 6 back papers and she had a fear if the HR will ask for certificates.Her Team lead assured her that he will convince the HR not to ask for certificate as the HR is one of his best friend which was a lie.She managed to convince and directly used her sex .When it was known we fired the team lead for his involvement in such activities with office colleagues.Now when she found her TL no more in the company to become her adovacate she searched another TL who is a bit powerful and management listens his words. Thesedays she is sleeping with her so that he can anyway manage to keep her in the company as he has a good reputation with management.
While going a bit deep in to her practice of using sex, one of the resource informed us that this girl even used her sex with her senior calssmates and friends to get some help in studies, preparing project papers etc while she was in her college.
Sanjeev, tell me what you can do in this type of situation.Its not a issue of only corporate world, where a girl of 19-20 years age use her sex to get help in her studies. how can you tell that this is only an issue in the corporate world? A girl of 22 years of age just using her sex to climb the corporate world.What we HR perosn will do in this case. The answer is obvious A BIG Nothing to do.
I had gone through somany cases during 6 years of my professional career with Human resource.Sleeping around as told by one of our HR friend is just being the funda here.
Thanks
DEv
From India, Gurgaon
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