And yes there is one more thing I would like to mention here before I sign off:
Why are the IITians, IIM, ISB guys are so much sought after. They are not sought after because of the quality of the faculty alone or the buildings in which they study. Yes these things do make a difference but the main thing here is the quality of material coming in into the institutes. These guys are all within top one percentile of the participating population (appearing in the exams) so they are presumably the best the country has to offer. In effect the corporates get the best brains by just going to these institutes which has done the job of shortlisting the best from the rest and ofcourse given them some basic skill set in the time these people spend here at the inst. This was the reason all the foreign cos were coming to India to recruit from IIMs and IITs. (for those who have put in some years in the industry would remember what we used to call brain drain in the yester years)
TY and chill out
SK
From India, Mumbai
2Why are the IITians, IIM, ISB guys are so much sought after. They are not sought after because of the quality of the faculty alone or the buildings in which they study. Yes these things do make a difference but the main thing here is the quality of material coming in into the institutes. These guys are all within top one percentile of the participating population (appearing in the exams) so they are presumably the best the country has to offer. In effect the corporates get the best brains by just going to these institutes which has done the job of shortlisting the best from the rest and ofcourse given them some basic skill set in the time these people spend here at the inst. This was the reason all the foreign cos were coming to India to recruit from IIMs and IITs. (for those who have put in some years in the industry would remember what we used to call brain drain in the yester years)
TY and chill out
SK
From India, Mumbai
Hi Gandhi, Its all depends on organisation policy, however present trends needs an MBA or PGDBA is required for HR Manager, though its not a mandate. - Aravindan
Hi All,
Very Good morning.
This is very intresting question, In this context my view is not different from some of our members i.e any degree can help a person to start his job but in long term it depends on the person that what kind of the person he is ,what kind of exposure he has got,It is not important that some one is qualified but the main thing is to cope with real practical things.
Therefore,in my opinion I would take a person who is more experienced.
Regards,
Ashok
From India, Gurgaon
Very Good morning.
This is very intresting question, In this context my view is not different from some of our members i.e any degree can help a person to start his job but in long term it depends on the person that what kind of the person he is ,what kind of exposure he has got,It is not important that some one is qualified but the main thing is to cope with real practical things.
Therefore,in my opinion I would take a person who is more experienced.
Regards,
Ashok
From India, Gurgaon
hi all
more than qualification, an HR manager should need experience. Qualifications and certificates are only the tool through which a person can be valued or it is the step to get into any organisation. regarding HR a person should have patience, man management skills, and a stable mind. qualifications are only secondary
regards
devarajan
From India, Madras
more than qualification, an HR manager should need experience. Qualifications and certificates are only the tool through which a person can be valued or it is the step to get into any organisation. regarding HR a person should have patience, man management skills, and a stable mind. qualifications are only secondary
regards
devarajan
From India, Madras
hi
mba is nt a must, bt definitely helps as:
an added qualification or degree increases ur chances of demanding a particular salary, applying for a particular post.
mba programmes are practical and improves ur perspective. by offering subjects like hrm, marketing,....helps one to be professionally equipped in those areas
comin to ur main query whether the firm would choose the grad with 10 yrs exp or a fresher mba, i think definitely depends on the need of the company, some factors on which this decision is based include:
-is a post garduate degree mandatory for the post as per the recruitment strategy
-the range of experience the firm is looking at.
generally organisation choose the most cost effective option, if the grad can serve the purpose, they may not choose the mba
i hope the reply is clear.
thressa
From India, Pune
mba is nt a must, bt definitely helps as:
an added qualification or degree increases ur chances of demanding a particular salary, applying for a particular post.
mba programmes are practical and improves ur perspective. by offering subjects like hrm, marketing,....helps one to be professionally equipped in those areas
comin to ur main query whether the firm would choose the grad with 10 yrs exp or a fresher mba, i think definitely depends on the need of the company, some factors on which this decision is based include:
-is a post garduate degree mandatory for the post as per the recruitment strategy
-the range of experience the firm is looking at.
generally organisation choose the most cost effective option, if the grad can serve the purpose, they may not choose the mba
i hope the reply is clear.
thressa
From India, Pune
Just a few thoughts ... maybe not a direct answer to the original question, but very relevant to the HR community, I hope .....
I have been an external faculty member in several management institutes and would like to share my experience. Very generally speaking (there are notable exceptions however), a graduate or even a post graduate student may have excellent academic qualifications and distinctions, but if he/she cannot apply book knowledge, however excellent, to real life situations practically and pragmatically, then it is a waste of time going in for post graduate degrees which are just a few letters added to his/her basic qualifications.
In my field of Human Relations and Organisational Development, therefore, I constantly give my students personally designed case studies which they have to solve in class - even my exam question papers include at least two major case studies and all the other questions require to be carefully thought out before they are answered (students are given an extra half hour to complete my papers, and they make optimal use of this extra time and even then just manage to complete their answers).
In other words, I try to make them apply themselves to make it in the real world.
Any management institute that follows this practice can groom their graduates to make a success of themselves - whether the qualification they are given is an MBA or a PGDBA.
Such graduates can safely join an organisation at the lowest executive grade and be able to adapt themselves to corporate life and learn and absorb the corporate culture and knowledge base as early and easily as they can.
Older HR managers who did not have access to obtaining MBAs or PGDBAs when they were entering industry, nevertheless through diligence and aptitude, managed to make successful managers, and can guide and groom the management graduates under them. Why HR managers only? Heads of both multinationals and Indian houses have risen to their posts without management degrees.
Having said that, managers, with or without management degrees, can, at any age, through management courses, seminars, training and development, networking, increasing their knowledge base through books and the internet, hands on experience, etc. can mould themselves into the best.
So, coming back to the original question, which is better, an MBA or a PGDBA, the real answer is : NEITHER - it is what the student acquires from any management degree from any institute and applies it to real life that matters - and hands on experience at any level is a definite plus.
Any comments?
From India, Mumbai
I have been an external faculty member in several management institutes and would like to share my experience. Very generally speaking (there are notable exceptions however), a graduate or even a post graduate student may have excellent academic qualifications and distinctions, but if he/she cannot apply book knowledge, however excellent, to real life situations practically and pragmatically, then it is a waste of time going in for post graduate degrees which are just a few letters added to his/her basic qualifications.
In my field of Human Relations and Organisational Development, therefore, I constantly give my students personally designed case studies which they have to solve in class - even my exam question papers include at least two major case studies and all the other questions require to be carefully thought out before they are answered (students are given an extra half hour to complete my papers, and they make optimal use of this extra time and even then just manage to complete their answers).
In other words, I try to make them apply themselves to make it in the real world.
Any management institute that follows this practice can groom their graduates to make a success of themselves - whether the qualification they are given is an MBA or a PGDBA.
Such graduates can safely join an organisation at the lowest executive grade and be able to adapt themselves to corporate life and learn and absorb the corporate culture and knowledge base as early and easily as they can.
Older HR managers who did not have access to obtaining MBAs or PGDBAs when they were entering industry, nevertheless through diligence and aptitude, managed to make successful managers, and can guide and groom the management graduates under them. Why HR managers only? Heads of both multinationals and Indian houses have risen to their posts without management degrees.
Having said that, managers, with or without management degrees, can, at any age, through management courses, seminars, training and development, networking, increasing their knowledge base through books and the internet, hands on experience, etc. can mould themselves into the best.
So, coming back to the original question, which is better, an MBA or a PGDBA, the real answer is : NEITHER - it is what the student acquires from any management degree from any institute and applies it to real life that matters - and hands on experience at any level is a definite plus.
Any comments?
From India, Mumbai
Absolutely, I agree with Manish,
Theory is much important along with experience. Just to quote my own example.... I started in the field of HR as a junior / assistant to HR manager in 2000 and joined a diploma (One year Part time) in 2002 ; suddenly I got a good raise in all aspect of job. Then I joined MHRM (Part time MBA - evening classes) in 2004 ; now I am in a managerial position.
What I meant was... experience will help you to relate with things which are taught in the class. No matter even if you are doing a part time.
I feel correspondence does not give us more exposure than the evening classes. Of course it is very tiring. After the office hours, we have to attend 3 hours lecture, and we hardly have time for our family.
But as for me it has taught me how to ...1. Manage time, 2. Manage Priorities, 3. Manage People, 4. Manage Egos (thats most imp).
Full time students get the their theories in place ; but lack in experience ; while it is the other way for the others.
I would advise people ; who cant afford full time study - to go for part time evening class, because MBA matters (and it becomes the icing on cake : if the degree is with experience).
Rgds
Shaji
From India, Mumbai
Theory is much important along with experience. Just to quote my own example.... I started in the field of HR as a junior / assistant to HR manager in 2000 and joined a diploma (One year Part time) in 2002 ; suddenly I got a good raise in all aspect of job. Then I joined MHRM (Part time MBA - evening classes) in 2004 ; now I am in a managerial position.
What I meant was... experience will help you to relate with things which are taught in the class. No matter even if you are doing a part time.
I feel correspondence does not give us more exposure than the evening classes. Of course it is very tiring. After the office hours, we have to attend 3 hours lecture, and we hardly have time for our family.
But as for me it has taught me how to ...1. Manage time, 2. Manage Priorities, 3. Manage People, 4. Manage Egos (thats most imp).
Full time students get the their theories in place ; but lack in experience ; while it is the other way for the others.
I would advise people ; who cant afford full time study - to go for part time evening class, because MBA matters (and it becomes the icing on cake : if the degree is with experience).
Rgds
Shaji
From India, Mumbai
Hi!
The demand for only regular MBA's is only with an impression that they might have gone through the subject exhaustively with introduction to all concepts. Though theoretically it may be correct, in practice it is partly true and the rest is thought process, skill, ability to understand the situation in a right time application of solution suitably to the right situation fulfills in entirety. History speaks volumes about it.
nlr
The demand for only regular MBA's is only with an impression that they might have gone through the subject exhaustively with introduction to all concepts. Though theoretically it may be correct, in practice it is partly true and the rest is thought process, skill, ability to understand the situation in a right time application of solution suitably to the right situation fulfills in entirety. History speaks volumes about it.
nlr
HRD is an attitude. MBA is a qualification. The world is moving away from hiring on experience and qualifications to hiring on attitudes and skills. Already you can see some good companies conducting psychological tests to check attitude and involve practical check of skills. In days to come hiring the right person is going to be a very costly affair approx equivalent to one yr CTC, which is actually the case in advanced countries even today.
But how do you gain confidence that you have the right attitude, either you have DNA of the CEO or promoters or owners, or you venture out and do MBA and take the risk. We have so many successful entrepreneurs without any formal MBA.
Choice is your because life is yours.
All the best and for any HR problem contact 9891776956.
Regards,
Col. Sanjiv Bhutani
From India, New Delhi
But how do you gain confidence that you have the right attitude, either you have DNA of the CEO or promoters or owners, or you venture out and do MBA and take the risk. We have so many successful entrepreneurs without any formal MBA.
Choice is your because life is yours.
All the best and for any HR problem contact 9891776956.
Regards,
Col. Sanjiv Bhutani
From India, New Delhi
call it superficial, brand image or whatever...
i am a recruitment consultant...and i hav never come across a single job profile by the company in which MBA is not mandatory
Even for an executive position, if u dont have the MBA stamp, u will not get in
i remember my tiff with one BPO opening
one guy was mcom passout and excellent skills..other was MB frm some Z grade school which i hadnt even heard abt
guess who got the job?
From India, Mumbai
i am a recruitment consultant...and i hav never come across a single job profile by the company in which MBA is not mandatory
Even for an executive position, if u dont have the MBA stamp, u will not get in
i remember my tiff with one BPO opening
one guy was mcom passout and excellent skills..other was MB frm some Z grade school which i hadnt even heard abt
guess who got the job?
From India, Mumbai
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