Dear All.
Thanks for showing your interest.
I had learnt a lot from these posting.
Though my career is only of 2 years, but in these 2 years i have come across so many stution where i have seen the management is biased, autocratic and ready to take resignation only in 1 misconduct.
I have seen the time where management had taken a resignation because one of my associate had raised his voice against them on a publich forum like facebook.
I dont know whether i am wrong to criticize things, i knw people often in HR told me that yaha toh yahi chalta hai. I had hot argument over certain isue. But they things like that saying we are in HR.
I have discussed with Madhu sir also about the defination of workmen and executive, he also discussed the same.
No body is there to raise the voice of employees, they used to work for min 12 hrs a day without overtime and other benefits and i am helpless.
Unions are management friendly where they think only of their increment.
I have come to know that thier is acse of Managemet b/w employee, where employee was sacked only becoz he had form an union. still the case is going on.
I had done my traing in BHEL, JHANSi and i grew up in that culture. I have seen good HR practices there. How they are still managing profits with total employee satisfaction.
We are not the dictators, we are humans, mistakes are a part of life but one should counselled forst before taking actions.
Is it necessary to give subsitence allownce for 6 days only.
I have lot of thoughts which i will discuss with all of you later on.
Thanks for all the responses from my respectable seniors.
You all are like the dronacharya from all of whom i can learn a lot in my coming years in my carrear.
You path is always helpful to all of the junior member.
Regards
Ranjeet
From India, New Delhi
11Thanks for showing your interest.
I had learnt a lot from these posting.
Though my career is only of 2 years, but in these 2 years i have come across so many stution where i have seen the management is biased, autocratic and ready to take resignation only in 1 misconduct.
I have seen the time where management had taken a resignation because one of my associate had raised his voice against them on a publich forum like facebook.
I dont know whether i am wrong to criticize things, i knw people often in HR told me that yaha toh yahi chalta hai. I had hot argument over certain isue. But they things like that saying we are in HR.
I have discussed with Madhu sir also about the defination of workmen and executive, he also discussed the same.
No body is there to raise the voice of employees, they used to work for min 12 hrs a day without overtime and other benefits and i am helpless.
Unions are management friendly where they think only of their increment.
I have come to know that thier is acse of Managemet b/w employee, where employee was sacked only becoz he had form an union. still the case is going on.
I had done my traing in BHEL, JHANSi and i grew up in that culture. I have seen good HR practices there. How they are still managing profits with total employee satisfaction.
We are not the dictators, we are humans, mistakes are a part of life but one should counselled forst before taking actions.
Is it necessary to give subsitence allownce for 6 days only.
I have lot of thoughts which i will discuss with all of you later on.
Thanks for all the responses from my respectable seniors.
You all are like the dronacharya from all of whom i can learn a lot in my coming years in my carrear.
You path is always helpful to all of the junior member.
Regards
Ranjeet
From India, New Delhi
Dear,
Why to think so negative about your profession, It all depends on the personal values, the culture in which you have groomed, the knowledge you have.
Hr is a good profession but yo have to make steps in correct directions.
Madhu sir and Malik sir, Still waiting for your replies on the whole episode.
Regards
Ranjeet
From India, New Delhi
Why to think so negative about your profession, It all depends on the personal values, the culture in which you have groomed, the knowledge you have.
Hr is a good profession but yo have to make steps in correct directions.
Madhu sir and Malik sir, Still waiting for your replies on the whole episode.
Regards
Ranjeet
From India, New Delhi
dear ranjit
i could not reply due to my sickness.discipline has to be maintained at any cost but i have gone through this complete case,procedure has not been adopted correctly.i will reply your query question wise.
From India, Delhi
i could not reply due to my sickness.discipline has to be maintained at any cost but i have gone through this complete case,procedure has not been adopted correctly.i will reply your query question wise.
From India, Delhi
Dear Malik Sir,
Hope you are good now.
Thanks for sharing your views.
Sir, In this case Management had not conducted any enquiry. First the case come in to the existence, HR had issued the Suspension letter for 7 days for the same. In between, HR had issued a chargesheet for the explanation within 48 hrs.
Now as per the principle of natural justice, one should conduct enquiry before suspension. Whether we have to document each and every thing. If the enquiry is not take place, Whether we can suspend some one.
2- What are the steps employee can take against the whole proceedings.
Sir, If some one not turned up for 7 days, whether we can suspend him for this.
REgards
RAnjeet
From India, New Delhi
Hope you are good now.
Thanks for sharing your views.
Sir, In this case Management had not conducted any enquiry. First the case come in to the existence, HR had issued the Suspension letter for 7 days for the same. In between, HR had issued a chargesheet for the explanation within 48 hrs.
Now as per the principle of natural justice, one should conduct enquiry before suspension. Whether we have to document each and every thing. If the enquiry is not take place, Whether we can suspend some one.
2- What are the steps employee can take against the whole proceedings.
Sir, If some one not turned up for 7 days, whether we can suspend him for this.
REgards
RAnjeet
From India, New Delhi
Dear All,
Greetings!
The recent update on the case is quite funny.
I can't believe that we as working in the HR Department can take this decision.
All of them are now free. Management had conducted enquiry about the above incident, the Culprits are now free, they all have given the Warning letter only about the decision + a warning letter to the victim also.
The accused who is a permanent employee has good relation witgh the people in Management. Our Executive chef had supported him. The whole on the spot written statements keep aside and given this decision to give all of them warning letters.
The victims also given a warning letter because Management thinks that he is also a part of whole event and they said that clap requires 2 hands.
Kindly go through my posting again and give your decision, the victim has 4 witness against the accused while only their are written statement of the acused about the victim.
The third indepandant party had also given statement in favour of victim.
Now my question is that in which direction we are moving. Discipline we have to take ion serious note. I s this a correct step to be taken
What going on in Guragaon in automobile industry is a serious concern related to discipline.
The morale of the whole staff is too low and i have my hands tied.
Please advice what to do.
Regards
Ranjeet
From India, New Delhi
Greetings!
The recent update on the case is quite funny.
I can't believe that we as working in the HR Department can take this decision.
All of them are now free. Management had conducted enquiry about the above incident, the Culprits are now free, they all have given the Warning letter only about the decision + a warning letter to the victim also.
The accused who is a permanent employee has good relation witgh the people in Management. Our Executive chef had supported him. The whole on the spot written statements keep aside and given this decision to give all of them warning letters.
The victims also given a warning letter because Management thinks that he is also a part of whole event and they said that clap requires 2 hands.
Kindly go through my posting again and give your decision, the victim has 4 witness against the accused while only their are written statement of the acused about the victim.
The third indepandant party had also given statement in favour of victim.
Now my question is that in which direction we are moving. Discipline we have to take ion serious note. I s this a correct step to be taken
What going on in Guragaon in automobile industry is a serious concern related to discipline.
The morale of the whole staff is too low and i have my hands tied.
Please advice what to do.
Regards
Ranjeet
From India, New Delhi
Hey Ranjeet,
Happy Diwali to you too.
The results clearly shows hand-in-gloves of culprit with management or the management is frightned by the culprit of any consequences; if we perceive by what you have say about the culprit.
In this whole case, my only attention was on the victim who was beaten. I am really surprised at your companies decision and whatever reputed firm you belong to....ones need to ponder are they really "reputed".
Permanent or contractual, "No one on this earth have been given the right to physically assult anyone". Period. The victim staff, even at fault, must have been encouraged to file a police complaint against the accused and you would have had a different story to tell us. The shame with which the victim staff will work is humaliting to even think of.
All reputation of a company in trash (sorry for that harsh words), when it comes to justice and fair practice, is what I follow.
Regards,
ukmitra
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
Happy Diwali to you too.
The results clearly shows hand-in-gloves of culprit with management or the management is frightned by the culprit of any consequences; if we perceive by what you have say about the culprit.
In this whole case, my only attention was on the victim who was beaten. I am really surprised at your companies decision and whatever reputed firm you belong to....ones need to ponder are they really "reputed".
Permanent or contractual, "No one on this earth have been given the right to physically assult anyone". Period. The victim staff, even at fault, must have been encouraged to file a police complaint against the accused and you would have had a different story to tell us. The shame with which the victim staff will work is humaliting to even think of.
All reputation of a company in trash (sorry for that harsh words), when it comes to justice and fair practice, is what I follow.
Regards,
ukmitra
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
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