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When somebody joins any organization, this has to be faced, hope she might be your next good friend. However, in the profession, do not compromise on things in which you are a master. Argue to the core; it looks like your boss is not so knowledge-oriented. Argue to the core if you feel that you are right and she is really silly. At least if you don't win, both your boss and his sect will think twice before commenting on anything.
In life, we may need 2 choices in every aspect of life, so choose the one that will make you feel better at the end of the day.
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From India, Bangalore
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When somebody joins any organization, this has to be faced, hope she might be your next good friend. However, in the profession, do not compromise on things in which you are a master. Argue to the core; it looks like your boss is not so knowledge-oriented. Argue to the core if you feel that you are right and she is really silly. At least if you don't win, both your boss and his sect will think twice before commenting on anything.
In life, we may need 2 choices in every aspect of life, so choose the one that will make you feel better at the end of the day.
Hope you got your solution.
From India, Bangalore
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Dear Seniors,
Greetings!!
I need to make a presentation on a FREE Health Check-Up Camp for Cranes organized by our company. The presentation should also focus on my company's growth and the individuals or entities that have supported this initiative.
Please assist me in creating the presentation by providing examples from the automobile industry presentations.
Regards,
Mandip Bedi
From India, Jamshedpur
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Greetings!!
I need to make a presentation on a FREE Health Check-Up Camp for Cranes organized by our company. The presentation should also focus on my company's growth and the individuals or entities that have supported this initiative.
Please assist me in creating the presentation by providing examples from the automobile industry presentations.
Regards,
Mandip Bedi
From India, Jamshedpur
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دوسروں کو نقصان پہنچائے بغیر، ان کو بدنام کیے بغیر، ان سے حسد کیے بغیر، ان سے الجھے بغیر ان سے آگے نکل جانے کا ہنر سیکھئے ....
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کلاس روم میں سناٹا طاری تھا۔ طلبا کی نظریں کبھی استاد کی طرف اٹھتیں اور کبھی بلیک بورڈ کی طرف۔ استاد کے سوال کا جواب کسی کے پاس نہیں تھا۔ سوال تھا ہی ایسا۔ استاد نے کمرے میں داخل ہوتے ہی بغیر ایک لفظ کہے بلیک بورڈ پر ایک لمبی لکیر کھینچ دی۔ پھر اپنا رخ طلبا کی طرف کرتے ہوئے پوچھا، ’’تم میں سے کون ہے جو اس لکیر کو چھوئے بغیر اسے چھوٹا کر دے ؟‘‘۔
’’یہ ناممکن ہے ۔‘‘، کلاس کے سب سے ذہین طالبعلم نے آخر کار اس خاموشی کو توڑ تے ہوئے جواب دیا۔ ’’لکیر کو چھوٹا کرنے کے لیے اسے مٹانا پڑ ے گا اور آپ اس لکیر کو چھونے سے بھی منع کر رہے ہیں ۔‘‘
باقی طلبا نے بھی گردن ہلا کر اس کی تائید کر دی۔ استاد نے گہری نظروں سے طلبا کو دیکھا اور کچھ کہے بغیر بلیک بورڈ پر پچھلی لکیر کے متوازی مگر اس سے بڑ ی ایک اور لکیر کھینچ دی۔ جس کے بعد سب نے دیکھ لیا کہ استاد نے پچھلی لکیر کو چھوئے بغیر اسے چھوٹا کر دیا تھا۔
طلبا نے آج اپنی زندگی کا سب سے بڑ ا سبق سیکھا تھا۔ دوسروں کو نقصان پہنچائے بغیر، ان کو بدنام کیے بغیر، ان سے حسد کیے بغیر، ان سے الجھے بغیر ان سے آگے نکل جانے کا ہنر چند منٹ میں انہوں نے سیکھ لیا تھا۔
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کلاس روم میں سناٹا طاری تھا۔ طلبا کی نظریں کبھی استاد کی طرف اٹھتیں اور کبھی بلیک بورڈ کی طرف۔ استاد کے سوال کا جواب کسی کے پاس نہیں تھا۔ سوال تھا ہی ایسا۔ استاد نے کمرے میں داخل ہوتے ہی بغیر ایک لفظ کہے بلیک بورڈ پر ایک لمبی لکیر کھینچ دی۔ پھر اپنا رخ طلبا کی طرف کرتے ہوئے پوچھا، ’’تم میں سے کون ہے جو اس لکیر کو چھوئے بغیر اسے چھوٹا کر دے ؟‘‘۔
’’یہ ناممکن ہے ۔‘‘، کلاس کے سب سے ذہین طالبعلم نے آخر کار اس خاموشی کو توڑ تے ہوئے جواب دیا۔ ’’لکیر کو چھوٹا کرنے کے لیے اسے مٹانا پڑ ے گا اور آپ اس لکیر کو چھونے سے بھی منع کر رہے ہیں ۔‘‘
باقی طلبا نے بھی گردن ہلا کر اس کی تائید کر دی۔ استاد نے گہری نظروں سے طلبا کو دیکھا اور کچھ کہے بغیر بلیک بورڈ پر پچھلی لکیر کے متوازی مگر اس سے بڑ ی ایک اور لکیر کھینچ دی۔ جس کے بعد سب نے دیکھ لیا کہ استاد نے پچھلی لکیر کو چھوئے بغیر اسے چھوٹا کر دیا تھا۔
طلبا نے آج اپنی زندگی کا سب سے بڑ ا سبق سیکھا تھا۔ دوسروں کو نقصان پہنچائے بغیر، ان کو بدنام کیے بغیر، ان سے حسد کیے بغیر، ان سے الجھے بغیر ان سے آگے نکل جانے کا ہنر چند منٹ میں انہوں نے سیکھ لیا تھا۔
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Nice Suggestion (Cite Contribution) & Sankatacharya.
Everyone has their own way of working; how can we deem them wrong? No doubt, if she has been working in the organization for the past 15 years, bosses will definitely have more faith in her. I believe if you want to establish your position among the bosses, first show that you value her experience, try to learn her way of working, and then only you can surpass her.
Fifteen years ago, people were not as professional as they are today, so it is undoubtedly very difficult for her to accept changes. You will have to gain her confidence and help her understand the benefits of the policies. I think slowly, this way you can bring about the changes.
Regards, Ravita
From India, Mumbai
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15Everyone has their own way of working; how can we deem them wrong? No doubt, if she has been working in the organization for the past 15 years, bosses will definitely have more faith in her. I believe if you want to establish your position among the bosses, first show that you value her experience, try to learn her way of working, and then only you can surpass her.
Fifteen years ago, people were not as professional as they are today, so it is undoubtedly very difficult for her to accept changes. You will have to gain her confidence and help her understand the benefits of the policies. I think slowly, this way you can bring about the changes.
Regards, Ravita
From India, Mumbai
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Dear Prakash,
For experienced persons, it is common that they will dominate others. My suggestion in this connection is to bear with such people and observe their professionalism. Maintain strict confidence, show your ability to do things better, keep patience, behave properly, keep up with time management, punctuality, attendance, and promptness in dealing with official business. Bear in mind the official targets and their implementation within the prescribed time frame. Show loyalty and soundness so that the officials in your surroundings will definitely support and like you. Develop yourself professionally, demonstrate your qualities and skills in your professional dealings to show that you possess more qualities and skills that could not be acquired solely through experience.
I hope these suggestions are helpful to you.
Best regards,
[Your Name]
From Canada, Calgary
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For experienced persons, it is common that they will dominate others. My suggestion in this connection is to bear with such people and observe their professionalism. Maintain strict confidence, show your ability to do things better, keep patience, behave properly, keep up with time management, punctuality, attendance, and promptness in dealing with official business. Bear in mind the official targets and their implementation within the prescribed time frame. Show loyalty and soundness so that the officials in your surroundings will definitely support and like you. Develop yourself professionally, demonstrate your qualities and skills in your professional dealings to show that you possess more qualities and skills that could not be acquired solely through experience.
I hope these suggestions are helpful to you.
Best regards,
[Your Name]
From Canada, Calgary
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I am feeling that you are having an ego problem regarding how a girl who is just a diploma holder can supersede an MBA. The first issue is that she is a woman, and the second is that she is a diploma holder. However, you are ignoring her experience and loyalty. Experience is a more critical aspect when dealing with the situation. It will take a lot of time for you to prove yourself. So, first prove yourself and then compete. She has been working for the last fifteen years, which means she is an asset to the company. Even though you may think she is making silly mistakes, she must also be doing a lot of good work.
From India, New Delhi
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From India, New Delhi
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Dear Friend,
You need to introspect.
1. You seem to be having a strong gender bias. You must accept that irrespective of gender, people can perform.
2. You seem to have a strong bias towards qualifications. The fact that she has been in the organization for 15 years is an indication that she is contributing.
3. How do you presume that the decisions taken by the management on her advice are silly? Do you really know the circumstances under which these decisions are made?
4. If the boss believes she is loyal, there must be some truth in it.
Unless you eliminate biased opinions based on gender and qualifications, you cannot grow. Look at the content and not the container. You seem to have been influenced by the container.
Best wishes,
Sivasankaran
From India, Chennai
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You need to introspect.
1. You seem to be having a strong gender bias. You must accept that irrespective of gender, people can perform.
2. You seem to have a strong bias towards qualifications. The fact that she has been in the organization for 15 years is an indication that she is contributing.
3. How do you presume that the decisions taken by the management on her advice are silly? Do you really know the circumstances under which these decisions are made?
4. If the boss believes she is loyal, there must be some truth in it.
Unless you eliminate biased opinions based on gender and qualifications, you cannot grow. Look at the content and not the container. You seem to have been influenced by the container.
Best wishes,
Sivasankaran
From India, Chennai
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Dear hrtechindia,
I am presenting my views on your query. I hope it helps you in overcoming the problem and leading a happy life.
"How to face co-worker domination due to her 15 years' experience in the same office under the same boss?"
Why do you want to 'face' her? Why can't you try to work around and work with her?
"She is a female without much knowledge about management, but she makes the boss nod his head for her silly, useless decisions."
Please post your educational and professional data and your intellectual largess that gives you the license to decide about others' knowledge of management. Define management for me in your own words.
"After all, she is basically a diploma holder, but she messes up with all the MBA, BE, and BTechs inside the office just because she has been working there for 15 long years. And the boss believes she is the only loyal worker."
This shows a bit of intellectual arrogance. I guess you are a bit more qualified than a Diploma. My dear friend, knowledge and education are two different things. Just being more educated does not give you an upper hand in being able to appreciate a situation.
This reminds me of the story I had read around 14 years ago: 'The Enchanted Pool'. When all the brothers of Yudhisthira had died after drinking water from the pool, Yudhisthira was asked by Yaksha a question to save one of his dead brothers:
Question: How does one get wisdom?
Answer: Not by studying any Shastra does one get wisdom. It is by association with men in wisdom that one gets wisdom.
So, instead of boasting about your better education level, try to learn from people. Don't compare your life to others. You have no idea what their journey was all about. That will help you in a long way, and after 20-30 years, you will feel that this was the best decision you ever made.
How to get rid of her? Suggestions and advice are most welcome.
I feel that this option should be left to the boss. Do your best and leave the rest. If you try to do this to her, tomorrow you may find yourself in her shoes too.
This reminds me of another story I had read around 10-12 years back. There were a lot of frogs in a well that used to live happily. One day, there was a bit of discontent in the mind of a frog, and he decided to get rid of his enemies. So, he invited a large snake from a hole nearby the well. The snake used to eat frogs every day. Soon, all the frogs were dead, and the snake turned to eat that frog and his family. The frog died repenting his action.
Regards,
singhn9
Attribution: https://www.citehr.com/403654-managi...#ixzz1sqcAytrO
From India, Bhubaneswar
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I am presenting my views on your query. I hope it helps you in overcoming the problem and leading a happy life.
"How to face co-worker domination due to her 15 years' experience in the same office under the same boss?"
Why do you want to 'face' her? Why can't you try to work around and work with her?
"She is a female without much knowledge about management, but she makes the boss nod his head for her silly, useless decisions."
Please post your educational and professional data and your intellectual largess that gives you the license to decide about others' knowledge of management. Define management for me in your own words.
"After all, she is basically a diploma holder, but she messes up with all the MBA, BE, and BTechs inside the office just because she has been working there for 15 long years. And the boss believes she is the only loyal worker."
This shows a bit of intellectual arrogance. I guess you are a bit more qualified than a Diploma. My dear friend, knowledge and education are two different things. Just being more educated does not give you an upper hand in being able to appreciate a situation.
This reminds me of the story I had read around 14 years ago: 'The Enchanted Pool'. When all the brothers of Yudhisthira had died after drinking water from the pool, Yudhisthira was asked by Yaksha a question to save one of his dead brothers:
Question: How does one get wisdom?
Answer: Not by studying any Shastra does one get wisdom. It is by association with men in wisdom that one gets wisdom.
So, instead of boasting about your better education level, try to learn from people. Don't compare your life to others. You have no idea what their journey was all about. That will help you in a long way, and after 20-30 years, you will feel that this was the best decision you ever made.
How to get rid of her? Suggestions and advice are most welcome.
I feel that this option should be left to the boss. Do your best and leave the rest. If you try to do this to her, tomorrow you may find yourself in her shoes too.
This reminds me of another story I had read around 10-12 years back. There were a lot of frogs in a well that used to live happily. One day, there was a bit of discontent in the mind of a frog, and he decided to get rid of his enemies. So, he invited a large snake from a hole nearby the well. The snake used to eat frogs every day. Soon, all the frogs were dead, and the snake turned to eat that frog and his family. The frog died repenting his action.
Regards,
singhn9
Attribution: https://www.citehr.com/403654-managi...#ixzz1sqcAytrO
From India, Bhubaneswar
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Practically, the lady in the organization is a very experienced employee, and understanding the boss's perspective, she has been working for a long time in the organization, which needs to be respected.
At the same time, you need to sit and discuss matters with the lady about her reasons for providing such an opinion. Whenever you are in a meeting, you can present your point while agreeing with the lady's perspective. Show that the point she raised was good, but it can be further modified in your way.
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At the same time, you need to sit and discuss matters with the lady about her reasons for providing such an opinion. Whenever you are in a meeting, you can present your point while agreeing with the lady's perspective. Show that the point she raised was good, but it can be further modified in your way.
From India, Mumbai
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Dear Prakash,
Someone like this exists in every organization. As some have mentioned, there may be a communication gap or a perception problem. But if you feel that is not the case and she is deliberately doing so to pamper her ego, then the best thing is to avoid this. One should never mix their work with personal rifts. Such people exist everywhere and continue to be like this. Someone like this doesn't deserve your attention, AT ALL!
All the very best, and have some patience... Besides, if your company has 360-degree appraisals, then you can always mention it then!
Regards!
From India, Bareli
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Someone like this exists in every organization. As some have mentioned, there may be a communication gap or a perception problem. But if you feel that is not the case and she is deliberately doing so to pamper her ego, then the best thing is to avoid this. One should never mix their work with personal rifts. Such people exist everywhere and continue to be like this. Someone like this doesn't deserve your attention, AT ALL!
All the very best, and have some patience... Besides, if your company has 360-degree appraisals, then you can always mention it then!
Regards!
From India, Bareli
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