Dear ESIC Knowledgeable ones,
I hope that after such a great policy on ESIC by the government, it would have also put some insight into the kind of hospitals and facilities available in practice. Without having proper hygienic hospitals, skilled doctors who should be available, proper treatment facilities on demand, what would be the use of having a great policy on paper? People want good facilities, not well-worded policies. The ESIC hospital facts are not hidden to anyone. In fact, employees have protested for raising the limit to Rs 15,000 because they don't want to contribute from their salaries for pathetic facilities. Even after the deductions, people would prefer paying private practitioners or hospitals rather than visiting hospitals under ESIC.
The groundwork on ESIC should have been completed, i.e., ensuring stringent rules for hospitals to qualify for ESIC. Over here, we have every Tom, Dick, and Harry hospital applying for ESIC and making it to the grade too. Four-bedded nursing homes with no regular doctors have made it to the grade of ESIC. What more should one say? Patriotism is very appreciated but not at the cost of ill-planned, irresponsible policies. Just because it involves the common man, it's such. Tell me, how many of the political leaders, bureaucrats would opt for getting treated in such ESIC hospitals? Unless they apply the rules for themselves, why do they want filthy services for the common man, that too at a contribution from the common man himself? Thinking positively is one thing, and thinking practically is another. All that can be said is "NOT ENOUGH DONE."
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From India, Mumbai
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19I hope that after such a great policy on ESIC by the government, it would have also put some insight into the kind of hospitals and facilities available in practice. Without having proper hygienic hospitals, skilled doctors who should be available, proper treatment facilities on demand, what would be the use of having a great policy on paper? People want good facilities, not well-worded policies. The ESIC hospital facts are not hidden to anyone. In fact, employees have protested for raising the limit to Rs 15,000 because they don't want to contribute from their salaries for pathetic facilities. Even after the deductions, people would prefer paying private practitioners or hospitals rather than visiting hospitals under ESIC.
The groundwork on ESIC should have been completed, i.e., ensuring stringent rules for hospitals to qualify for ESIC. Over here, we have every Tom, Dick, and Harry hospital applying for ESIC and making it to the grade too. Four-bedded nursing homes with no regular doctors have made it to the grade of ESIC. What more should one say? Patriotism is very appreciated but not at the cost of ill-planned, irresponsible policies. Just because it involves the common man, it's such. Tell me, how many of the political leaders, bureaucrats would opt for getting treated in such ESIC hospitals? Unless they apply the rules for themselves, why do they want filthy services for the common man, that too at a contribution from the common man himself? Thinking positively is one thing, and thinking practically is another. All that can be said is "NOT ENOUGH DONE."
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From India, Mumbai
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Dear Seniors,
Thank you for the valuable information provided on ESIC.
I have a query. I work in a company with 400 employees all over India. In Mumbai, there are 60 employees, out of which only 7 are under ESIC.
Recently, a female who is under ESIC has conceived a child. Her maternity leave of 84 days started from the day after she conceived, as she conceived on the day after attending the office.
I understand that the wages are paid through ESIC and not by the employer when on maternity leave. What are the obligations of the employer here then?
This is my first-time experience and I would appreciate your valuable suggestions on the same. Please guide.
Regards,
Swati
From India, Pune
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Dear Seniors,
Thank you for the valuable information provided on ESIC.
I have a query. I work in a company with 400 employees all over India. In Mumbai, there are 60 employees, out of which only 7 are under ESIC.
Recently, a female who is under ESIC has conceived a child. Her maternity leave of 84 days started from the day after she conceived, as she conceived on the day after attending the office.
I understand that the wages are paid through ESIC and not by the employer when on maternity leave. What are the obligations of the employer here then?
This is my first-time experience and I would appreciate your valuable suggestions on the same. Please guide.
Regards,
Swati
From India, Pune
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Dear ESIC Knowledgeable ones,
I hope that after such a great policy on ESIC by the government, it would have also put some insight into the kind of hospitals and facilities available in practice. Without having proper hygienic hospitals, skilled doctors who should be available, proper treatment facilities on demand, etc., what would be the use of having a great policy on paper? People want good facilities and not well-worded policies. The ESIC hospital facts are not hidden to anyone. In fact, employees have protested for raising the limit to Rs 15,000 because they don't want to contribute from their salaries for pathetic facilities. Even after the deductions, people would prefer paying private practitioners or hospitals rather than visiting hospitals under ESIC. The groundwork on ESIC should have been completed, i.e., ensuring stringent rules for hospitals to qualify for ESIC. Over here, we have every Tom, Dick, and Harry hospital applying for ESIC and making it to the grade too. Four-bedded nursing homes with no regular doctors have made it to the grade of ESIC. What more should one say? Patriotism is appreciated, but not at the cost of ill-planned, irresponsible policies. Just because it involves the common man, it's such. Tell me, how many of the political leaders or bureaucrats would opt for getting treated in such ESIC Hospitals? Unless they apply the rules for themselves, why do they want filthy services for the common man, that too at a contribution from the common man himself? Thinking positively is one thing, and thinking practically is another. All that can be said is "NOT ENOUGH DONE."
Regards
From India, Mumbai
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I hope that after such a great policy on ESIC by the government, it would have also put some insight into the kind of hospitals and facilities available in practice. Without having proper hygienic hospitals, skilled doctors who should be available, proper treatment facilities on demand, etc., what would be the use of having a great policy on paper? People want good facilities and not well-worded policies. The ESIC hospital facts are not hidden to anyone. In fact, employees have protested for raising the limit to Rs 15,000 because they don't want to contribute from their salaries for pathetic facilities. Even after the deductions, people would prefer paying private practitioners or hospitals rather than visiting hospitals under ESIC. The groundwork on ESIC should have been completed, i.e., ensuring stringent rules for hospitals to qualify for ESIC. Over here, we have every Tom, Dick, and Harry hospital applying for ESIC and making it to the grade too. Four-bedded nursing homes with no regular doctors have made it to the grade of ESIC. What more should one say? Patriotism is appreciated, but not at the cost of ill-planned, irresponsible policies. Just because it involves the common man, it's such. Tell me, how many of the political leaders or bureaucrats would opt for getting treated in such ESIC Hospitals? Unless they apply the rules for themselves, why do they want filthy services for the common man, that too at a contribution from the common man himself? Thinking positively is one thing, and thinking practically is another. All that can be said is "NOT ENOUGH DONE."
Regards
From India, Mumbai
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Great 28677c5420521383353edc6e6 (One of the ESIC knowledgeable ones).........
Think you have good social consciousness. It's highly appreciated. But instead of pointing out and blaming the system or processes, it would be better to take the initiative to work on the issue, gather valid proofs, and present them through the proper channels. This should prompt action from the concerned officers, departments, politicians, and parties. However, we don't do this because it's not our duty, right? It's not "NOT ENOUGH DONE" - it's the people, i.e., we who should make it happen.
CRK
Dear ESIC knowledgeable ones,
I hope that after such a great policy on ESIC by the government, there would also be insight into the kind of hospitals and facilities available in practice. Without proper hygienic hospitals, skilled doctors, and adequate treatment facilities on demand, what is the use of having a great policy on paper? People want good facilities, not just well-worded policies. The ESIC hospital facts are not hidden; employees have protested to raise the limit to Rs 15,000 because they don't want to contribute from their salaries for poor facilities. Even after deductions, people prefer paying private practitioners or hospitals over visiting ESIC hospitals. The groundwork on ESIC should have been completed, ensuring stringent rules for hospitals to qualify for ESIC. Many hospitals, including four-bedded nursing homes with no regular doctors, have made it to the ESIC grade. Patriotism is appreciated, but not at the cost of ill-planned, irresponsible policies. How many political leaders or bureaucrats would choose to be treated in ESIC hospitals? Unless they apply the rules for themselves, why do they accept subpar services for the common man, especially at a cost borne by the common man? Thinking positively is one thing, while thinking practically is another. All that can be said is "NOT ENOUGH DONE." Regards
From India, Vijayawada
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Think you have good social consciousness. It's highly appreciated. But instead of pointing out and blaming the system or processes, it would be better to take the initiative to work on the issue, gather valid proofs, and present them through the proper channels. This should prompt action from the concerned officers, departments, politicians, and parties. However, we don't do this because it's not our duty, right? It's not "NOT ENOUGH DONE" - it's the people, i.e., we who should make it happen.
CRK
Dear ESIC knowledgeable ones,
I hope that after such a great policy on ESIC by the government, there would also be insight into the kind of hospitals and facilities available in practice. Without proper hygienic hospitals, skilled doctors, and adequate treatment facilities on demand, what is the use of having a great policy on paper? People want good facilities, not just well-worded policies. The ESIC hospital facts are not hidden; employees have protested to raise the limit to Rs 15,000 because they don't want to contribute from their salaries for poor facilities. Even after deductions, people prefer paying private practitioners or hospitals over visiting ESIC hospitals. The groundwork on ESIC should have been completed, ensuring stringent rules for hospitals to qualify for ESIC. Many hospitals, including four-bedded nursing homes with no regular doctors, have made it to the ESIC grade. Patriotism is appreciated, but not at the cost of ill-planned, irresponsible policies. How many political leaders or bureaucrats would choose to be treated in ESIC hospitals? Unless they apply the rules for themselves, why do they accept subpar services for the common man, especially at a cost borne by the common man? Thinking positively is one thing, while thinking practically is another. All that can be said is "NOT ENOUGH DONE." Regards
From India, Vijayawada
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GREATEST CRK.MBA. (...FILL THE BLANKS...)
Mr. V SYAM PRASAD (THE ESIC INSPECTOR), WHO HAS COMMENTED IN THIS POST, HAS ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THIS DRAWBACK OF NOT ENOUGH DENOVO ON ESIC IN A SIMILAR POST WHERE I HAD POSTED MY SIMILAR VIEWS. IF YOU ASK WHY WE, COMMON MEN, DON'T ROUTE THROUGH PROPER CHANNELS TO POLITICAL LEADERS, CONCERNED OFFICERS, AND THE REST... BECAUSE IT'S OF NO USE. ALL THIS HOGWASH THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BRING TO NOTICE, PROTEST, ETC., IS OF NO USE IN OUR COUNTRY. YOU CAN BE THE BILLIONTH ONE TO TRY IT IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME. ROUTE YOUR CONCERN THROUGH PROPER CHANNELS AND LET ME KNOW WHAT RESULTS YOU GOT. ...AND MOREOVER, MY POST IS NOT AGAINST YOU OR YOUR KNOWLEDGE BASE ON ESIC... MY POST IS ABOUT WHAT EMPLOYEES THINK ABOUT IT. I AM DOING MY BIT BY POSTING IT AS A MATTER OF CONCERN TO THE CONCERNED ESIC AUTHORITY WITH HIS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF MY VIEWS IN MY EARLIER POST AND A PROMISE FROM HIM THAT HE WOULD LOOK INTO THE MATTER... AND LOOKING INTO MATTERS ALSO TAKES AGES IN OUR COUNTRY... AND THIS ISN'T AN OVERNIGHT OPINION... POST-INDEPENDENCE POLICIES ARE A PROOF OF IT, WHICH YOU CAN VERY WELL RESEARCH AS THIS WON'T BE AN IDEAL PLACE TO POST THEM. ONCE AGAIN, DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL... THIS IS NOT FOR YOU... THIS IS ABOUT AGGRIEVED EMPLOYEES WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SALARY CUTS AND DON'T WANT THIS OPTION OR WANT A BETTER OPTION... HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND... REGARDS
From India, Mumbai
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Mr. V SYAM PRASAD (THE ESIC INSPECTOR), WHO HAS COMMENTED IN THIS POST, HAS ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THIS DRAWBACK OF NOT ENOUGH DENOVO ON ESIC IN A SIMILAR POST WHERE I HAD POSTED MY SIMILAR VIEWS. IF YOU ASK WHY WE, COMMON MEN, DON'T ROUTE THROUGH PROPER CHANNELS TO POLITICAL LEADERS, CONCERNED OFFICERS, AND THE REST... BECAUSE IT'S OF NO USE. ALL THIS HOGWASH THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BRING TO NOTICE, PROTEST, ETC., IS OF NO USE IN OUR COUNTRY. YOU CAN BE THE BILLIONTH ONE TO TRY IT IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME. ROUTE YOUR CONCERN THROUGH PROPER CHANNELS AND LET ME KNOW WHAT RESULTS YOU GOT. ...AND MOREOVER, MY POST IS NOT AGAINST YOU OR YOUR KNOWLEDGE BASE ON ESIC... MY POST IS ABOUT WHAT EMPLOYEES THINK ABOUT IT. I AM DOING MY BIT BY POSTING IT AS A MATTER OF CONCERN TO THE CONCERNED ESIC AUTHORITY WITH HIS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF MY VIEWS IN MY EARLIER POST AND A PROMISE FROM HIM THAT HE WOULD LOOK INTO THE MATTER... AND LOOKING INTO MATTERS ALSO TAKES AGES IN OUR COUNTRY... AND THIS ISN'T AN OVERNIGHT OPINION... POST-INDEPENDENCE POLICIES ARE A PROOF OF IT, WHICH YOU CAN VERY WELL RESEARCH AS THIS WON'T BE AN IDEAL PLACE TO POST THEM. ONCE AGAIN, DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL... THIS IS NOT FOR YOU... THIS IS ABOUT AGGRIEVED EMPLOYEES WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SALARY CUTS AND DON'T WANT THIS OPTION OR WANT A BETTER OPTION... HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND... REGARDS
From India, Mumbai
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Dear 28677c5420521383353edc6e6,
I don't know whether you understood or not... I appreciated you for your social consciousness and humanity. I don't know why you are reacting in such a way... I have responded to your post... Please don't react... just respond, if you can or just leave it... According to you, it is of no use even if we put efforts... So, you opine to leave it... Someone's thought would be like if our freedom fighters left the fight in the middle, thinking like that, where would be the independence... No issues, that's your opinion... You can put the same in a proper way, not reacting so emotionally and taking it personally. And I don't know in which phrase you feel that I took it personally. Anyhow, let us please end this unnecessary discussion and please don't expect my response in this regard henceforth.
Thanks & Regards
CRK
"28677c5420521383353edc6e6" wrote:
GREATEST CRK.MBA.(...FILL THE BLANKS..........) Mr. V SYAM PRASAD (THE ESIC INSPECTOR) WHO HAS COMMENTED IN THIS POST HAS ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THIS DRAWBACK OF NOT ENOUGH DONE ON ESIC IN A SIMILAR POST WHERE I HAD POSTED MY SIMILAR VIEWS. IF YOU ASK WHY WE COMMON MEN DON'T ROUTE THROUGH PROPER CHANNELS TO POLITICAL LEADERS, CONCERNED OFFICERS AND THE ROT... BECAUSE IT'S OF NO USE... ALL THIS HOGWASH THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BRING TO NOTICE, PROTEST ETC., IS OF NO USE IN OUR COUNTRY. YOU CAN BE THE BILLIONTH ONE TO TRY IT IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME. ROUTE YOUR CONCERN THROUGH PROPER CHANNEL AND LET ME KNOW WHAT RESULTS YOU GOT. ... AND MOREOVER, MY POST IS NOT AGAINST YOU OR YOUR KNOWLEDGE BASE ON ESIC... MY POST IS ABOUT WHAT EMPLOYEES THINK ABOUT IT. I AM DOING MY BIT BY POSTING IT AS A MATTER OF CONCERN TO THE CONCERNED ESIC AUTHORITY WITH HIS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT ON MY VIEWS IN MY EARLIER POST AND PROMISE FROM HIM THAT HE WOULD LOOK INTO THE MATTER... AND LOOKING INTO MATTER ALSO TAKES AGES IN OUR COUNTRY... AND THIS ISN'T AN OVERNIGHT OPINION... POST-INDEPENDENCE POLICIES ARE A PROOF OF IT WHICH YOU CAN VERY WELL RESEARCH AS THIS WON'T BE AN IDEAL PLACE TO POST THEM... ONCE AGAIN... DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL... THIS IS NOT FOR YOU... THIS IS ABOUT AGGRIEVED EMPLOYEES WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SALARY CUTS AND DON'T WANT THIS OPTION OR WANT A BETTER OPTION... HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND... REGARDS
From India, Vijayawada
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I don't know whether you understood or not... I appreciated you for your social consciousness and humanity. I don't know why you are reacting in such a way... I have responded to your post... Please don't react... just respond, if you can or just leave it... According to you, it is of no use even if we put efforts... So, you opine to leave it... Someone's thought would be like if our freedom fighters left the fight in the middle, thinking like that, where would be the independence... No issues, that's your opinion... You can put the same in a proper way, not reacting so emotionally and taking it personally. And I don't know in which phrase you feel that I took it personally. Anyhow, let us please end this unnecessary discussion and please don't expect my response in this regard henceforth.
Thanks & Regards
CRK
"28677c5420521383353edc6e6" wrote:
GREATEST CRK.MBA.(...FILL THE BLANKS..........) Mr. V SYAM PRASAD (THE ESIC INSPECTOR) WHO HAS COMMENTED IN THIS POST HAS ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THIS DRAWBACK OF NOT ENOUGH DONE ON ESIC IN A SIMILAR POST WHERE I HAD POSTED MY SIMILAR VIEWS. IF YOU ASK WHY WE COMMON MEN DON'T ROUTE THROUGH PROPER CHANNELS TO POLITICAL LEADERS, CONCERNED OFFICERS AND THE ROT... BECAUSE IT'S OF NO USE... ALL THIS HOGWASH THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BRING TO NOTICE, PROTEST ETC., IS OF NO USE IN OUR COUNTRY. YOU CAN BE THE BILLIONTH ONE TO TRY IT IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME. ROUTE YOUR CONCERN THROUGH PROPER CHANNEL AND LET ME KNOW WHAT RESULTS YOU GOT. ... AND MOREOVER, MY POST IS NOT AGAINST YOU OR YOUR KNOWLEDGE BASE ON ESIC... MY POST IS ABOUT WHAT EMPLOYEES THINK ABOUT IT. I AM DOING MY BIT BY POSTING IT AS A MATTER OF CONCERN TO THE CONCERNED ESIC AUTHORITY WITH HIS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT ON MY VIEWS IN MY EARLIER POST AND PROMISE FROM HIM THAT HE WOULD LOOK INTO THE MATTER... AND LOOKING INTO MATTER ALSO TAKES AGES IN OUR COUNTRY... AND THIS ISN'T AN OVERNIGHT OPINION... POST-INDEPENDENCE POLICIES ARE A PROOF OF IT WHICH YOU CAN VERY WELL RESEARCH AS THIS WON'T BE AN IDEAL PLACE TO POST THEM... ONCE AGAIN... DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL... THIS IS NOT FOR YOU... THIS IS ABOUT AGGRIEVED EMPLOYEES WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SALARY CUTS AND DON'T WANT THIS OPTION OR WANT A BETTER OPTION... HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND... REGARDS
From India, Vijayawada
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Don't misinterpret my acknowledgment. In every government department, the people like YOU and ME only run the show and give the image of the organization.
One simple question I ask you: instead of writing so much against ESIC, why don't you directly meet the concerned Regional Director and the Director (medical scheme) and present the facts before them with proof? India needs such kind of people, not the ones who fill pages against the demerits of the system. Hope you will become a good instrument in improving the facilities in ESIC, finally being useful to our brethren, the people who you feel have suffered with ESIC.
All the best.
From India, Hyderabad
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One simple question I ask you: instead of writing so much against ESIC, why don't you directly meet the concerned Regional Director and the Director (medical scheme) and present the facts before them with proof? India needs such kind of people, not the ones who fill pages against the demerits of the system. Hope you will become a good instrument in improving the facilities in ESIC, finally being useful to our brethren, the people who you feel have suffered with ESIC.
All the best.
From India, Hyderabad
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Please find attached the applicability, eligibility, benefits, provisions............ of ESIC. to be updated........ Might be useful....... CRK
From India, Vijayawada
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I was busy with bureaucracy work and knew you would be responding. I arrived early morning just to reply to you, and by the way, I don't like putting a Ph.D. tag on my name.
1) If you had read your reaction thoroughly, you would know why I responded and not reacted.
2) I have read many of your posts and have liked them. But in this case, I would like people to know the ground realities. If you want me to do ESIC responsibilities, then what are ESIC officials for? Anyways, the entire country knows what they are for, so forget it.
3) Comparing the Freedom Fighters analogy is completely unwarranted and meaningless. Comparisons are made to achieve similar results, not otherwise.
4) As you rightly said, and as I have already hinted, I leave it here... Regards,
@VSP
If you want me to do ESIC responsibilities, then what are ESIC officials for? And I might even go the distance to follow your advice, but in that case, you need to do the job that I am doing right now... Sorry, I don't agree with you, and once again, let's leave it here... Regards
From India, Mumbai
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I was busy with bureaucracy work and knew you would be responding. I arrived early morning just to reply to you, and by the way, I don't like putting a Ph.D. tag on my name.
1) If you had read your reaction thoroughly, you would know why I responded and not reacted.
2) I have read many of your posts and have liked them. But in this case, I would like people to know the ground realities. If you want me to do ESIC responsibilities, then what are ESIC officials for? Anyways, the entire country knows what they are for, so forget it.
3) Comparing the Freedom Fighters analogy is completely unwarranted and meaningless. Comparisons are made to achieve similar results, not otherwise.
4) As you rightly said, and as I have already hinted, I leave it here... Regards,
@VSP
If you want me to do ESIC responsibilities, then what are ESIC officials for? And I might even go the distance to follow your advice, but in that case, you need to do the job that I am doing right now... Sorry, I don't agree with you, and once again, let's leave it here... Regards
From India, Mumbai
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