I have not come across any provision in the Trade Unions Act entitling a union to an office in employer's premises. This is probably due to the fact that it is the employer's property and his permission is necessar for any one to start any activity that is not connected with employer's business . Howoever some State Acts like MRTU & PULP Act(Maharastra) entitle a recognised trade union to have notice board on the premises of the employer.
B.Saikumar
From India, Mumbai
1899B.Saikumar
From India, Mumbai
there is no provision under any law, which forces employer to shed out space for trade unions, however some states have rules which wants employers to prrovide space for notice boards and temp. Space for union for interaction with members sometimes like gate meeting or so.
Some co with internal agreement witth unions had provided the space like tata steel,, this practice is sucidal for co environment, unions tend to more stronger once they have been alloted space with in factory primises, co. Must at all cost should avoid this,
another alternative is to temp. do there meetings arrangements with in primises or in hotel to have an healthy environment.
From India, Patiala
Some co with internal agreement witth unions had provided the space like tata steel,, this practice is sucidal for co environment, unions tend to more stronger once they have been alloted space with in factory primises, co. Must at all cost should avoid this,
another alternative is to temp. do there meetings arrangements with in primises or in hotel to have an healthy environment.
From India, Patiala
Dear All,
Many learned followers have expressed their views. I appreciate their effort and would like to add mine also.
As per TU Act, Union has its own identity and is a Company for all practical purposes. It has its own regd. office (either owned or rented), a team of office bearers who run the affairs of the TU, A code of conduct, Books of Accounts, etc. etc. just like any other Company registered under Companies Act.
From the above, I feel that I have made myself clear that the Union cannot, I repeat - cannot, demand as a matter of right to be allowed to open its office in the Factory premises. However, since they are one of the important agents in the process of production, productivity and profitability of any Organization, it is in the interest of the management to provide the recognized Trade Union space for running its office at a suitable place, but never within the premises of factory or production place. The management must charge a token rent (however small it might be even like Re.1/-), to establish their ownership over the premises provided to the TU.
Best wishes.
AK Jain
HR Personnel
NCL, CIL
From India, Jabalpur
Many learned followers have expressed their views. I appreciate their effort and would like to add mine also.
As per TU Act, Union has its own identity and is a Company for all practical purposes. It has its own regd. office (either owned or rented), a team of office bearers who run the affairs of the TU, A code of conduct, Books of Accounts, etc. etc. just like any other Company registered under Companies Act.
From the above, I feel that I have made myself clear that the Union cannot, I repeat - cannot, demand as a matter of right to be allowed to open its office in the Factory premises. However, since they are one of the important agents in the process of production, productivity and profitability of any Organization, it is in the interest of the management to provide the recognized Trade Union space for running its office at a suitable place, but never within the premises of factory or production place. The management must charge a token rent (however small it might be even like Re.1/-), to establish their ownership over the premises provided to the TU.
Best wishes.
AK Jain
HR Personnel
NCL, CIL
From India, Jabalpur
Dear Mr.Kalsi,
You are correct to state that number of Defense Establishments have permitted Unions to operate from offices provided to them within the establishment.
If are the same Mr Kalsi who was posted at Bharatpur, then you will remember that it was permitted there.
I ascribe this to lack of awareness and as these offices have been functional for decades ,no one has taken action to ask the Unions to vacate them.
These offices are not reflected as Union Offices in any official documents.This practice is incorrect and not as per law and should not be encouraged.
Regards,
Suresh Rathi
From India, Delhi
You are correct to state that number of Defense Establishments have permitted Unions to operate from offices provided to them within the establishment.
If are the same Mr Kalsi who was posted at Bharatpur, then you will remember that it was permitted there.
I ascribe this to lack of awareness and as these offices have been functional for decades ,no one has taken action to ask the Unions to vacate them.
These offices are not reflected as Union Offices in any official documents.This practice is incorrect and not as per law and should not be encouraged.
Regards,
Suresh Rathi
From India, Delhi
Dear Suresh Rathi,
You are hundered percent right, I am the same Mr kalsi,who had served at Ammunition Depot,Bharatpur at the start of my career from 1980 to 1985.I am sorry I have not been able to place you as to how you know me.Please through some light in this aspect.
As regards your mail, I agree with you that alloting office to the union is not a good precedence.The unions cotinue to use the premises years together even if the recognition is reversed in favour of some other union.
Regards,
BS Kalsi,
Member since Aug 2011
From India, Mumbai
You are hundered percent right, I am the same Mr kalsi,who had served at Ammunition Depot,Bharatpur at the start of my career from 1980 to 1985.I am sorry I have not been able to place you as to how you know me.Please through some light in this aspect.
As regards your mail, I agree with you that alloting office to the union is not a good precedence.The unions cotinue to use the premises years together even if the recognition is reversed in favour of some other union.
Regards,
BS Kalsi,
Member since Aug 2011
From India, Mumbai
Dear Mr.Kalsi,
I was posted with you and that time I was Capt.
I retired as Col and had met you again in 1986 in Shkurbasti when I was on my way to USSR.
Regards,
Col.SK Rathi
09213921375
From India, Delhi
I was posted with you and that time I was Capt.
I retired as Col and had met you again in 1986 in Shkurbasti when I was on my way to USSR.
Regards,
Col.SK Rathi
09213921375
From India, Delhi
Dear Col. SK Rathi and Mr. Kalsi
You are very correct that in some organizations or establishments, unions are allowed to operate their Union Office from within the establishment premises. But Sirs, a privilege cannot be a matter of right. So when it comes to Rules & Regulations, no management can or rather should allot office for Union activities. Hope you will agree to this. If not, kindly let me know your opinion to enhance my practical knowledge too.
AK Jain
HR Personnel
NCL, CIL
From India, Jabalpur
You are very correct that in some organizations or establishments, unions are allowed to operate their Union Office from within the establishment premises. But Sirs, a privilege cannot be a matter of right. So when it comes to Rules & Regulations, no management can or rather should allot office for Union activities. Hope you will agree to this. If not, kindly let me know your opinion to enhance my practical knowledge too.
AK Jain
HR Personnel
NCL, CIL
From India, Jabalpur
Dear Mr.AK Jain,
There is no doubt that rule position is very clear on this subject.What has been stated is the factual position.
Number of Central Govt Organisations have permitted this with or without being aware of rule position.
Regards,
Col.Suresh Rathi
From India, Delhi
There is no doubt that rule position is very clear on this subject.What has been stated is the factual position.
Number of Central Govt Organisations have permitted this with or without being aware of rule position.
Regards,
Col.Suresh Rathi
From India, Delhi
Actually, most of the large companies have provided a small room to the union for their activities and for use as their office
it is general practice.
Originally i thought it was allowed under the rules, which i understand from the posts here was incorrect.
However, i believe it is a good idea to allow a place for union activity.
Trying to stop union activity is not a good idea.
A healthy union relationship makes life easier for everyone in the long run.
Another advantage of giving the union an office is that the management can keep an eye on the union and ensure that outside elements do not get into the picture. Further, i believe it is a rule that union office bearers must be given time off for union activity. I think the office being inside the factory ensures less time spent in going to an office outside.
From India, Mumbai
it is general practice.
Originally i thought it was allowed under the rules, which i understand from the posts here was incorrect.
However, i believe it is a good idea to allow a place for union activity.
Trying to stop union activity is not a good idea.
A healthy union relationship makes life easier for everyone in the long run.
Another advantage of giving the union an office is that the management can keep an eye on the union and ensure that outside elements do not get into the picture. Further, i believe it is a rule that union office bearers must be given time off for union activity. I think the office being inside the factory ensures less time spent in going to an office outside.
From India, Mumbai
Before becoming office bearers; like others, concerned workman too was a normal operator who used to give his contribution in production activities on shopfloor.
On becoming President, Secretary or Any other office bearer, he didn't perform his above duties for which he is paid and abstain himself from production.
Is TU or ID Act permits them to do so.
Have mgmt right to compel them to engage them in their core activities and take disciplinary action against them if they didn't perform their duties.
Seniors, Pl guide.
From India, Jaipur
On becoming President, Secretary or Any other office bearer, he didn't perform his above duties for which he is paid and abstain himself from production.
Is TU or ID Act permits them to do so.
Have mgmt right to compel them to engage them in their core activities and take disciplinary action against them if they didn't perform their duties.
Seniors, Pl guide.
From India, Jaipur
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