Education, now a days oriented towards obtaining marks and grades. The students are not exposed to al-round development to face any type of general competition. Further, one is not studying in which field the employment potential is available. Once educated they look for smart, white collared jobs. In that area job opportunities are congested or less or saturated. There is need of study of job potential, guidance from the planners and govt to get appropriate jobs for good number of unemployed youth. This needs regular study and up-dation. For example, there is good opportunities for Charted Accounted, Stenographers etc. And this many not be for ever. The requirement is to be identified quite early. Why not so on so forth.
From India, Nellore
24From India, Nellore
The topic under discussion was employability of Indian Graduate/Post Graduates.
A lot of replies are very good and have rightly blamed our education system and the number of institutions churning out such candidates.
The main point of the news paper article was (although not specified) that our students have academic qualifications but do not possess capabilities to be productive in a work environment. There is no positive interaction between industry and educational institutions. Our students do not gain practical knowledge or experience of what is required of them in the work place.
When they start work they feel lost and/or the employer feels the need for further training to make them productive.
There can be numerous ways to improve this situation. But who will take the first step.
The news paper article was based on feedback from industry. Can businesses and industries come forward and suggest ways and means to improve this situation.
Take for example the IIM's, are those who pass out of these institutions employable not employable? Of course they are. Why? because of the design of the curriculum and the partnership with industry.
The same can be done with other institutions of learning. Were there is a will there is a way.
There are many educational institutions in this country that produce exceptionally good talent but those are very few.
Today every one wants to get and engineering degree, from which institution it does not matter, that is because they are not able to get into the good institutions because of the competition or because their fees are very high.
There is so much to be said but I will now stop and let others throw some light on this very urgent and critical situation.
I am not an educationalist so I will not be able to add value to this topic, but have just mentioned a few of my thoughts.
Best regards
From India, Hyderabad
A lot of replies are very good and have rightly blamed our education system and the number of institutions churning out such candidates.
The main point of the news paper article was (although not specified) that our students have academic qualifications but do not possess capabilities to be productive in a work environment. There is no positive interaction between industry and educational institutions. Our students do not gain practical knowledge or experience of what is required of them in the work place.
When they start work they feel lost and/or the employer feels the need for further training to make them productive.
There can be numerous ways to improve this situation. But who will take the first step.
The news paper article was based on feedback from industry. Can businesses and industries come forward and suggest ways and means to improve this situation.
Take for example the IIM's, are those who pass out of these institutions employable not employable? Of course they are. Why? because of the design of the curriculum and the partnership with industry.
The same can be done with other institutions of learning. Were there is a will there is a way.
There are many educational institutions in this country that produce exceptionally good talent but those are very few.
Today every one wants to get and engineering degree, from which institution it does not matter, that is because they are not able to get into the good institutions because of the competition or because their fees are very high.
There is so much to be said but I will now stop and let others throw some light on this very urgent and critical situation.
I am not an educationalist so I will not be able to add value to this topic, but have just mentioned a few of my thoughts.
Best regards
From India, Hyderabad
Dear friends,
After going thro' the postings of you all I have a basic question to put before all of you.
Since many of you commented that our colleges, universities etc. churns out millions of graduates, post graduates, diplomats(?is it a right usage, ha,ha), who are found wanting in the employment market, I am asking this -
Is it the duty of these institutions to prepare their wards for their employability, is the onus on them if the wards are fell short of expectations. Or, who should take the responsibility of them being fit to be employed ?
Prima facie, it is very easy to blame on the inadequate curriculum, syllabi, extra curricular activities so on. Is it not good enough if these institutions are content with completing their syllabi and see their wards secure top ranking in their exams. Why should they or the syllabi should cover the employability also. And a word of caution to all those blame the syllabi etc. - first answer what you mean by employability - I also take the lead - An Engineering take an employment in a bank and his/her Engineering college should also give him training in banking also in addition to his Engg.subjects so that he can be fit to seek a job in a bank. Similarly, a doctor secures IAS, IPS etc and his MBBS curriculum should include general knowledge, advanced english, world affairs, financial markets etc. ? Like this we can go on extending the subject.
I wish our members to continue this more pragmatically instead of with a touch of emotions.
More views could be added, what are scenarios in advanced countries with regard to 'employability'. I think proficiency in English speaking, writing and quoting phrases from Dr.Johnson or some Ugandan writer and such things alone shouldn't be considered as 'employability'
From India, Bangalore
After going thro' the postings of you all I have a basic question to put before all of you.
Since many of you commented that our colleges, universities etc. churns out millions of graduates, post graduates, diplomats(?is it a right usage, ha,ha), who are found wanting in the employment market, I am asking this -
Is it the duty of these institutions to prepare their wards for their employability, is the onus on them if the wards are fell short of expectations. Or, who should take the responsibility of them being fit to be employed ?
Prima facie, it is very easy to blame on the inadequate curriculum, syllabi, extra curricular activities so on. Is it not good enough if these institutions are content with completing their syllabi and see their wards secure top ranking in their exams. Why should they or the syllabi should cover the employability also. And a word of caution to all those blame the syllabi etc. - first answer what you mean by employability - I also take the lead - An Engineering take an employment in a bank and his/her Engineering college should also give him training in banking also in addition to his Engg.subjects so that he can be fit to seek a job in a bank. Similarly, a doctor secures IAS, IPS etc and his MBBS curriculum should include general knowledge, advanced english, world affairs, financial markets etc. ? Like this we can go on extending the subject.
I wish our members to continue this more pragmatically instead of with a touch of emotions.
More views could be added, what are scenarios in advanced countries with regard to 'employability'. I think proficiency in English speaking, writing and quoting phrases from Dr.Johnson or some Ugandan writer and such things alone shouldn't be considered as 'employability'
From India, Bangalore
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My views are:
1. On one hand we say that in India education system should be liberated from the govt. controls and should be free to do whatever they might/could do. And Govts. should concentrate only on Civil and Border defence, macro policy making etc. On the other we complain it has become a business because of the advent of mushrooming pvt.institutions. Still I don't deny govt.institutions also provide quality education but at the same time general feeling is most pvt.institutions provide better education, am I correct ?
2. Compared to many developing and developed countries, our institutions still not sufficient to cater to the needs of students. Hardly 50% of students passing out of schools get into colleges and out of them mere 10-15% only to go higher studies. I agree education is becoming costlier not only with pvt.institutions but also with govt/aided institutions as well. That apart we see pupil trekking miles to reach their classes in remote areas. Therefore atleast in quantity too we are inadequate.
From India, Bangalore
My views are:
1. On one hand we say that in India education system should be liberated from the govt. controls and should be free to do whatever they might/could do. And Govts. should concentrate only on Civil and Border defence, macro policy making etc. On the other we complain it has become a business because of the advent of mushrooming pvt.institutions. Still I don't deny govt.institutions also provide quality education but at the same time general feeling is most pvt.institutions provide better education, am I correct ?
2. Compared to many developing and developed countries, our institutions still not sufficient to cater to the needs of students. Hardly 50% of students passing out of schools get into colleges and out of them mere 10-15% only to go higher studies. I agree education is becoming costlier not only with pvt.institutions but also with govt/aided institutions as well. That apart we see pupil trekking miles to reach their classes in remote areas. Therefore atleast in quantity too we are inadequate.
From India, Bangalore
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For many years I have been advocating that every industry, may be we can fix some norms, side by side start atleast one Engg.college which should be made a pre-qualification to commence its operations. And every student should be taken as a student trainee in the industry, may be they could be paid some remuneration as well. Similar to Medical colleges which are supposed to own atleast a 300 bedded hospital. Like this every business house of reasonable size should undergo such stipulations. And this could ensure the students coming out will have some sort of industry exposure.
From India, Bangalore
For many years I have been advocating that every industry, may be we can fix some norms, side by side start atleast one Engg.college which should be made a pre-qualification to commence its operations. And every student should be taken as a student trainee in the industry, may be they could be paid some remuneration as well. Similar to Medical colleges which are supposed to own atleast a 300 bedded hospital. Like this every business house of reasonable size should undergo such stipulations. And this could ensure the students coming out will have some sort of industry exposure.
From India, Bangalore
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Dear friend,
1) Could you suggest any other alternate method to judge the progress and knowledge/learning of any student attained when he completes his/her curriculum. How do you judge any student whether pass out or fail ?
2) CAs - As you know out of lakhs appear for exams only about 2-5% pass out. That too after many attempts. Hardly a very few only pass in first attempt. That's why there is always vacancies for CAs, I don't talk about ever increasing scams and frauds thrown out/brough out by auditors and Auditors' aided scams and frauds.
3) My friends have to be informed that after the advent of IT, stenographers are a very rare breed. You might see Type writing and Stenography institutions one after the other are closed as our children are taught computers at a tender age of ....what 2/3 yrs. You know a school final student from Chennai has been appointed as one of the Editors of an IT magazine published from Kuwait (or so). This is the level of literacy now a days among our wards.
From India, Bangalore
Dear friend,
1) Could you suggest any other alternate method to judge the progress and knowledge/learning of any student attained when he completes his/her curriculum. How do you judge any student whether pass out or fail ?
2) CAs - As you know out of lakhs appear for exams only about 2-5% pass out. That too after many attempts. Hardly a very few only pass in first attempt. That's why there is always vacancies for CAs, I don't talk about ever increasing scams and frauds thrown out/brough out by auditors and Auditors' aided scams and frauds.
3) My friends have to be informed that after the advent of IT, stenographers are a very rare breed. You might see Type writing and Stenography institutions one after the other are closed as our children are taught computers at a tender age of ....what 2/3 yrs. You know a school final student from Chennai has been appointed as one of the Editors of an IT magazine published from Kuwait (or so). This is the level of literacy now a days among our wards.
From India, Bangalore
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Dear Madhu,
I appreciate your narration highlighting Ramayana, Mahabharata etc. You know how many Ramayanas are floating in India ? And What it ultimately taught to all of us. thousands of wives for King Dasaratha, abduction of Seetha aboard Pushpaka vimana, war with Ravana assisted by Hanuman god and his aids and ultimately Raman tested the chastity of Seetha, the trusted wife. After that what. My humble feeling is the fiction Ramayana should be good enough only for those days and hardly got any relevance to current days requirements. Think of we have to go for gurukul under some sage and we want to become an Engineer or Doctor. Similarly Mahabharata. These are good enough for a story to be filmed. How do you expect these could meet our present needs. Let us not be carried away by emotional past we are yet to beat some small countries like Japan devastated by WWs, it's good if less talked about Taiwan, Korea, Thailan,Malaysia and China etc.
From India, Bangalore
Dear Madhu,
I appreciate your narration highlighting Ramayana, Mahabharata etc. You know how many Ramayanas are floating in India ? And What it ultimately taught to all of us. thousands of wives for King Dasaratha, abduction of Seetha aboard Pushpaka vimana, war with Ravana assisted by Hanuman god and his aids and ultimately Raman tested the chastity of Seetha, the trusted wife. After that what. My humble feeling is the fiction Ramayana should be good enough only for those days and hardly got any relevance to current days requirements. Think of we have to go for gurukul under some sage and we want to become an Engineer or Doctor. Similarly Mahabharata. These are good enough for a story to be filmed. How do you expect these could meet our present needs. Let us not be carried away by emotional past we are yet to beat some small countries like Japan devastated by WWs, it's good if less talked about Taiwan, Korea, Thailan,Malaysia and China etc.
From India, Bangalore
Dear Kumar,
Thank you for your valuable incites on my posting wherein I quoted Ramayana, Mahabharata etc. There may be many Ramayanas like Valmiki Ramayanam, Kamba Ramayanam, Molla Ramayanam, Nirvachanottara Ramayanam etc. The common goal of all the presenters of all these Ramayanas is only one - propagating Good (by thought, word and deed) and eliminating Evil (by thought, word and deed) in the society and establish Dharma (righteousness) in the society. I need not tell you what dharma is. Dharma is acting with conscience in how you think, what you speak and what you do. My view is today's society is not following this. I tried to present my views as to what good we can achieve by understanding and following the subtler meanings of the positive characters depicted in these epics. They are not fiction. They are called "Itihasas"- meaning "they happened as such". I don't know what made you think that these epics are not relevant for today's society. If you listen to the discourses given by renowned scholars like Sri Chaganti Koteswara Rao, you may understand the whole scheme of the birth of various characters presented in Ramayana by Valmiki Maharshi. He was a contemporary of Sri Rama. He was a close witness to the happenings in the Ayodhya kingdom and Sri Rama's rule. Take each character in Ramayana and try to understand how they behaved and presented themselves to the society. There is good and there is bad and finally good won over evil.
Suppose, if somebody does a good thing to you, you thank the person as a token of gratitude and if someone does harm to you, you retaliate. The logic is simple, whatever you give / do to others returns to you. Whatever was depicted in Ramayana and Mahabharata is reflecting in today's society. Did you ever read Ramayana and Mahabharata fully? My submission is you first read these epics fully and try to understand the inner and subtler meaning of the roles played by the characters in these epics. There are doctors and engineers in Sri Rama's army who could save the lives of Sri Rama and Lakshmana and who could construct a bridge that still lasts in Indian Ocean between India and Sri Lanka. Is this not the strength of Gurukul education? Dasaradha may have 356 wives and three queens, but Sri Rama had only one wife, Sitadevi. Is it wrong to get back one's wife if someone abducts? Is it not the duty of Law to punish the wicked and crooked when lawlessness prevails in the society? Sometimes, to get a good implemented in society we may have to apply some force.
What about the great scientists Kanaada who invented Trasarenu, a small particle smaller than atom? What about Aryabhatta and Varahamihira? What about the war strategies applied in the great war of Mahabharata by the great warriors like Bhishma, Drona, Arjuna, Drushtadyumna and Pandavas? Were all these not taught education in gurukuls? What about the great surgeons of India the Charaka and the Susruta? Were they not taught education in gurukuls? If you visit some of South India temples you may be astonished to know the architectural feats performed by our ancient civil engineers. All these great personalities were taught education in gurukuls. You may observe one great thing in all those ancient teachers that they had no selfish motive in imparting value based education and wisdom. Due to this unselfish attitude of our teachers, that, we still stand apart from others and compete with others. Why European countries and US are earning so much wealth, I need not tell you. It is because of our knowledge and hard working nature, they are earning. What I mean to say is this - Roots of the present lie in the Past.
I apologize, if there is anything harsher in this that hurts your feelings.
With regards,
Madhusudan
From India, Vijayawada
Thank you for your valuable incites on my posting wherein I quoted Ramayana, Mahabharata etc. There may be many Ramayanas like Valmiki Ramayanam, Kamba Ramayanam, Molla Ramayanam, Nirvachanottara Ramayanam etc. The common goal of all the presenters of all these Ramayanas is only one - propagating Good (by thought, word and deed) and eliminating Evil (by thought, word and deed) in the society and establish Dharma (righteousness) in the society. I need not tell you what dharma is. Dharma is acting with conscience in how you think, what you speak and what you do. My view is today's society is not following this. I tried to present my views as to what good we can achieve by understanding and following the subtler meanings of the positive characters depicted in these epics. They are not fiction. They are called "Itihasas"- meaning "they happened as such". I don't know what made you think that these epics are not relevant for today's society. If you listen to the discourses given by renowned scholars like Sri Chaganti Koteswara Rao, you may understand the whole scheme of the birth of various characters presented in Ramayana by Valmiki Maharshi. He was a contemporary of Sri Rama. He was a close witness to the happenings in the Ayodhya kingdom and Sri Rama's rule. Take each character in Ramayana and try to understand how they behaved and presented themselves to the society. There is good and there is bad and finally good won over evil.
Suppose, if somebody does a good thing to you, you thank the person as a token of gratitude and if someone does harm to you, you retaliate. The logic is simple, whatever you give / do to others returns to you. Whatever was depicted in Ramayana and Mahabharata is reflecting in today's society. Did you ever read Ramayana and Mahabharata fully? My submission is you first read these epics fully and try to understand the inner and subtler meaning of the roles played by the characters in these epics. There are doctors and engineers in Sri Rama's army who could save the lives of Sri Rama and Lakshmana and who could construct a bridge that still lasts in Indian Ocean between India and Sri Lanka. Is this not the strength of Gurukul education? Dasaradha may have 356 wives and three queens, but Sri Rama had only one wife, Sitadevi. Is it wrong to get back one's wife if someone abducts? Is it not the duty of Law to punish the wicked and crooked when lawlessness prevails in the society? Sometimes, to get a good implemented in society we may have to apply some force.
What about the great scientists Kanaada who invented Trasarenu, a small particle smaller than atom? What about Aryabhatta and Varahamihira? What about the war strategies applied in the great war of Mahabharata by the great warriors like Bhishma, Drona, Arjuna, Drushtadyumna and Pandavas? Were all these not taught education in gurukuls? What about the great surgeons of India the Charaka and the Susruta? Were they not taught education in gurukuls? If you visit some of South India temples you may be astonished to know the architectural feats performed by our ancient civil engineers. All these great personalities were taught education in gurukuls. You may observe one great thing in all those ancient teachers that they had no selfish motive in imparting value based education and wisdom. Due to this unselfish attitude of our teachers, that, we still stand apart from others and compete with others. Why European countries and US are earning so much wealth, I need not tell you. It is because of our knowledge and hard working nature, they are earning. What I mean to say is this - Roots of the present lie in the Past.
I apologize, if there is anything harsher in this that hurts your feelings.
With regards,
Madhusudan
From India, Vijayawada
Friends,
The full text of the Indian Express article as attached. There are different views, one from candidates side and the other from employers' side. Is't fair on the part of employers to expect that fresh graduates straight away should satisfy the riguors (rigors) of employment and when fell short why should blame the institutions. Of course if the candidates don't exhibit basic knowledge on the subject they should be blamed and not the curriculum or the institutions. The institutions could only teach commonly to all candidates and it's upto them to digest and use them/apply in their employment requirement. Am I correct ?
From India, Bangalore
The full text of the Indian Express article as attached. There are different views, one from candidates side and the other from employers' side. Is't fair on the part of employers to expect that fresh graduates straight away should satisfy the riguors (rigors) of employment and when fell short why should blame the institutions. Of course if the candidates don't exhibit basic knowledge on the subject they should be blamed and not the curriculum or the institutions. The institutions could only teach commonly to all candidates and it's upto them to digest and use them/apply in their employment requirement. Am I correct ?
From India, Bangalore
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