A very interesting thread and very enlightening responses.
What makes everything very challenging is that the fact that the initial post does not reveal much information.
We do not know what is Ms. Saumya's designation or functional area. Most likely, it is in Marketing and Business Development activities, considering her AVP can take his team along and enjoy booze around the hotel swimming pool.
Moreover, the AVP keeps visiting gym and spa during office hours.
We do not know yet; but what if the company is in Personal Care business ??
Then maintaining a pleasing personality or visiting gym and spa to promote or get feedback of product would entirely be justified.
Ms. Saumya has stated that, ",it is boldly written in employee area\" WORKING HOURS 10AM-6PM,MONDAY TO SATURDAY\", while complaining that
employees have to work beyond office hours. Its well known that in Private sector, people working in Offices have to overstay at times and even come on Sundays n holidays. I am not justifying it; but only pointing at the reality.
It is difficult for a junior to fully understand or appreciate the functions and duties of a senior. Quite often, we come across some junior HRs lamenting that their senior officers like GM or VPs do not come in time to office. Little do they know that they sacrifice their personal and family life and most likely may have arrived from outstation that very morning.
A senior officer is NOT OBLIGED to tell his juniors about his activities or assignment.
I do not wish to elaborate more, but I have seen very senior officers from corporate office or on tours; spending all their time in five-star hotels - they have become business hubs with their facilities; and the ambience is conducive to business and official discussions. Also, they have become safe and suitable venues where politician, bureaucrats and businessmen conduct their business.
If the functional area of the AVP also includes Corporate Relations, then he may be the perfect candidate for his job. The company whose CEO exhorts employee from 99.5 to 100% productivity, would also be aware and appreciate his contributions.
Hope this provides another perspective to the entire issue; without generating any undue controversy or value-judgement.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
1426What makes everything very challenging is that the fact that the initial post does not reveal much information.
We do not know what is Ms. Saumya's designation or functional area. Most likely, it is in Marketing and Business Development activities, considering her AVP can take his team along and enjoy booze around the hotel swimming pool.
Moreover, the AVP keeps visiting gym and spa during office hours.
We do not know yet; but what if the company is in Personal Care business ??
Then maintaining a pleasing personality or visiting gym and spa to promote or get feedback of product would entirely be justified.
Ms. Saumya has stated that, ",it is boldly written in employee area\" WORKING HOURS 10AM-6PM,MONDAY TO SATURDAY\", while complaining that
employees have to work beyond office hours. Its well known that in Private sector, people working in Offices have to overstay at times and even come on Sundays n holidays. I am not justifying it; but only pointing at the reality.
It is difficult for a junior to fully understand or appreciate the functions and duties of a senior. Quite often, we come across some junior HRs lamenting that their senior officers like GM or VPs do not come in time to office. Little do they know that they sacrifice their personal and family life and most likely may have arrived from outstation that very morning.
A senior officer is NOT OBLIGED to tell his juniors about his activities or assignment.
I do not wish to elaborate more, but I have seen very senior officers from corporate office or on tours; spending all their time in five-star hotels - they have become business hubs with their facilities; and the ambience is conducive to business and official discussions. Also, they have become safe and suitable venues where politician, bureaucrats and businessmen conduct their business.
If the functional area of the AVP also includes Corporate Relations, then he may be the perfect candidate for his job. The company whose CEO exhorts employee from 99.5 to 100% productivity, would also be aware and appreciate his contributions.
Hope this provides another perspective to the entire issue; without generating any undue controversy or value-judgement.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
All are requested to kindly see Post #4.
had responded on 28th Aug. itself to Mr. Dinesh Divekar.
I found her post on another thread; and I have placed it chronologically.
Apparently, Ms Somya was trying to give more information and responding to the queries. However, it seems that by mistake or ignorance; she started another thread.
I have masked the names of person and company to ensure that their identities are not disclosed.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
I found her post on another thread; and I have placed it chronologically.
Apparently, Ms Somya was trying to give more information and responding to the queries. However, it seems that by mistake or ignorance; she started another thread.
I have masked the names of person and company to ensure that their identities are not disclosed.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
In view of the information posted by the original poster, i think my original comment gets reinforced :
- The company is unorganised and the concerned VP is highly entrenched in the company. He probably is a critical person in the system and company is unlikely to take action against him
- So there is no grievance cell and if there is, then also no action is likely
- Only option is to change to another job. In fact it is a better option for you in the long term, rather than trying to correct the system
- Only new information that changes things is on sexual harassment of women. That is serious and a compliant can be filed by the concerned lady employee with the new authorities under the act (just being formed, but you can get more info from the forum posts). However, again, please be aware that the concerned affected party must be ready to complain.
From India, Mumbai
- The company is unorganised and the concerned VP is highly entrenched in the company. He probably is a critical person in the system and company is unlikely to take action against him
- So there is no grievance cell and if there is, then also no action is likely
- Only option is to change to another job. In fact it is a better option for you in the long term, rather than trying to correct the system
- Only new information that changes things is on sexual harassment of women. That is serious and a compliant can be filed by the concerned lady employee with the new authorities under the act (just being formed, but you can get more info from the forum posts). However, again, please be aware that the concerned affected party must be ready to complain.
From India, Mumbai
Hello Saumyasengupta,
While my earlier response was based on the Best-case-Scenario, looks like the additional inputs you mentioned gives rise to the scope of your situation being in the Worst-case-Scenario category.
Like Saswat Banerjee mentioned, the sooner you quit the better for YOU.
Suggest DON'T venture or attempt to get into the 'let-me-teach-him-a-lesson' track. While there will be situations/occasions when that would be the BEST bet, this surely isn't one of them. I can understand the mental frame of mind you COULD be in--given the background you mentioned--to explore ways of approaching the Labor Court/Dept. But also remember that you need to spend a lot of time & effort to pursue that course of action--DO YOU HAVE that kind of time?
And based on what you mentioned about this AVP, there's a distinct chance that things COULD get nasty when he gets to know someone has complained to the Labor Dept--ARE YOU READY for such consequences [which depends a lot on the family support the individual has]?
One risk you always stand as long as you stay in such Multi-level Marketing companies is the serious threat/probability of closure--given the general track record of such companies. And the infidelity angle you mentioned only makes it all the more serious.
Forget about the AVP--he will cook his own roost. Just look after yourself for now.
All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
While my earlier response was based on the Best-case-Scenario, looks like the additional inputs you mentioned gives rise to the scope of your situation being in the Worst-case-Scenario category.
Like Saswat Banerjee mentioned, the sooner you quit the better for YOU.
Suggest DON'T venture or attempt to get into the 'let-me-teach-him-a-lesson' track. While there will be situations/occasions when that would be the BEST bet, this surely isn't one of them. I can understand the mental frame of mind you COULD be in--given the background you mentioned--to explore ways of approaching the Labor Court/Dept. But also remember that you need to spend a lot of time & effort to pursue that course of action--DO YOU HAVE that kind of time?
And based on what you mentioned about this AVP, there's a distinct chance that things COULD get nasty when he gets to know someone has complained to the Labor Dept--ARE YOU READY for such consequences [which depends a lot on the family support the individual has]?
One risk you always stand as long as you stay in such Multi-level Marketing companies is the serious threat/probability of closure--given the general track record of such companies. And the infidelity angle you mentioned only makes it all the more serious.
Forget about the AVP--he will cook his own roost. Just look after yourself for now.
All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
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