Dear 28677... ,
I appreciate your early response. I am glad that you work for an Indian major and not a Lala maybe that is why you feel you can poke fun at their expense?
You are quite right (and I unashamedly admit it), I did take the comments personally. I am not certain what you mean by “the sprit in which it was written”, as such comments only incite. However, the comment on apathy is not justified, as the origins of the company can be a most valuable asset, WIPRO and Premji, come to mind. Accurately reported this becomes an inspiration to its staff.
By acknowledging inter-dependency between companies and industries, you by default acknowledge that Lala’s can one day become successful majors; they need support and encouragement to adopt corporate responsibilities.
I will, however, take your advice and Forget It, but as a certified workaholic I cannot take rest.
Best Regards,
Harsh
From United Kingdom, Barrow
369I appreciate your early response. I am glad that you work for an Indian major and not a Lala maybe that is why you feel you can poke fun at their expense?
You are quite right (and I unashamedly admit it), I did take the comments personally. I am not certain what you mean by “the sprit in which it was written”, as such comments only incite. However, the comment on apathy is not justified, as the origins of the company can be a most valuable asset, WIPRO and Premji, come to mind. Accurately reported this becomes an inspiration to its staff.
By acknowledging inter-dependency between companies and industries, you by default acknowledge that Lala’s can one day become successful majors; they need support and encouragement to adopt corporate responsibilities.
I will, however, take your advice and Forget It, but as a certified workaholic I cannot take rest.
Best Regards,
Harsh
From United Kingdom, Barrow
Although no many new generation MNCs would have come to India if one $ is equal to one rupee, India has only gained by them.They are generating high paid employment when Govt is failing to enforce even minimum wages.
Varghese Mathew
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From India, Thiruvananthapuram
Varghese Mathew
9961266966
From India, Thiruvananthapuram
Dear 28677....
The member has posted an original article (I presume so) on the characteristics of certain Indian companies; and the term (slang) is widely prevalent among management professionals and especially in Business schools during Campus Placement.
I tend to encourage original contributors, in general, and put in a few words related to the topic; as reproduced below :
The article in no way insults those working in such companies;nor is intended to.
The point you missed is; its not even about the Employees of such companies; but rather about business owners and their corporate culture; which even their employees find amusing; exploitative or at worst, tyrannical.
Work is worship; and there is no indignity that exist, or is implied in anyway by the article; in case a person works or his parents have worked in such companies.
It is about COMPANIES , not about EMPLOYEES working there. These companies have their own sets of rules, which are employee-unfriendly; whether it is about -
Terms and conditions of Appointment
Resignation
Training & Service Bond
Notice period
Leave and its calculation
Working hours
Gratuity
Bifurcation of salary to avoid or reduce statutory contributions
Employee Benefits etc etc
Please go through the threads posted everyday; and you shall understand.
Under the circumstances, your judgemental comments, instead of discussing the matter on merit, is uncalled for.
However, you are entitled to your opinion on the matter; without indulging in disparaging, scornful, insolent comments on others.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
The member has posted an original article (I presume so) on the characteristics of certain Indian companies; and the term (slang) is widely prevalent among management professionals and especially in Business schools during Campus Placement.
I tend to encourage original contributors, in general, and put in a few words related to the topic; as reproduced below :
The article in no way insults those working in such companies;nor is intended to.
The point you missed is; its not even about the Employees of such companies; but rather about business owners and their corporate culture; which even their employees find amusing; exploitative or at worst, tyrannical.
Work is worship; and there is no indignity that exist, or is implied in anyway by the article; in case a person works or his parents have worked in such companies.
It is about COMPANIES , not about EMPLOYEES working there. These companies have their own sets of rules, which are employee-unfriendly; whether it is about -
Terms and conditions of Appointment
Resignation
Training & Service Bond
Notice period
Leave and its calculation
Working hours
Gratuity
Bifurcation of salary to avoid or reduce statutory contributions
Employee Benefits etc etc
Please go through the threads posted everyday; and you shall understand.
Under the circumstances, your judgemental comments, instead of discussing the matter on merit, is uncalled for.
However, you are entitled to your opinion on the matter; without indulging in disparaging, scornful, insolent comments on others.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
Harsh,
I would rather reply to you in a soft language just to say, most of it what you said is not Ideal. reply to each of your comments as below:
"what my staff feel then I would be happy to accept their resignations with immediate effect"
The above sentence says you are not a good manager or leader, as you will be left alone in the company if your statement has value & you will be the one to bring down the company to streets, who is paying you to be this overconfident.
"I am a foreigner, whilst I do not have white skin, and I only speak English with a Non- Indian accent"
The above stanza clarifies that you do not respect for what you are. It would not be a surprise if you cheat your organization whom you r working with in the near future.
Just to bring you back to Earth from Heaven, I would have fired you for your attitude if I were to be your Manager.
"indeed I was accepted by the UK as a refugee from Africa, with only the clothes on my back"
This also clarifies that you do not value for the knowledge which you earned from elsewhere. Cloths, money is just because of what you had in the brain when you went there. Probably they might not have hired you looking at state of your cloths.
"I have worked really hard to build the company (and continue to do so)"
Just be arrogant always to your Manager (or just say "because of me the company is running") or to your Customer, then I would like to see how your hard work that pays you.
Dont be over-confidant as even Steve Jobs was fired from his Company Apple!!!
"So what if my White skinned senior management make decisions and don’t come and personally "
This is why India was thought to be place of "Snake Charmers" for foreigners, who thinks we do not have self-respect or Dignity.
"If we have a very small training/learning budget, that is because we employ the best talent, we are not a school where we pay students to attend"
Over confidence: you should own the patent organization!!
"Get one thing clear, we do NOT depend on India’s low cost of production, our costs are dictated by market forces such as minimum wage set by your government."
Govt. sets the wage based on the Low cost production, which depends on many factors including lively hood for each individual, not based on the Foreign companies requirement.
"in fact we serve that same population and consumption, which home grown companies are unable (or unwilling) to"
Are you doing to the Social work or running an Organizations?
"If our products are not required, the population will not buy, it really is quite easy to understand"
If you make the Consumers understand that the products you are selling is the result of the Consumers begging's (If you think Home land as incapable to feed them), then surely there will be no buyers for your products.
"Yes, the Western world is in economic crisis and India is not. Have you ever considered why? It is because India did not have the ability to invest in financial products that turned out to be toxic, even though it had the inclination to."
Had India not come under the influence & tyranny of the foreign world, It would never even think about economic crisis, as it has the capabilities to so & it did even 10000 of years of BC (Before Christ).
"MNC’s play a vital role in the Indian economy take a lead in improving business culture; provide hundreds and thousands of much needed jobs as the migration from rural to urban jobs increases"
If only MNC's need India & not viceversa!!!
to answer your Economic Image:
Go back to India's history & read about how much wealth were looted by foreigners since we were snake charmers at that time!.
"Uplift India’s international economic image whilst managing the corrupt Indian politicians’ image"
Contrary due to the money inflow due to these companies, politician's pockets are full. Can you imagine 1000of crores just from man's bribery. I would say the basic cause of bribery is big companies with large investments motives.
"By the way MNC’s are not all foreign owned, have you heard of Tata, Ambani, Mittal ?
So, please don’t knock MNC’s, instead you should be proud of them and if you are talented enough come and work for them. Jai Hind ! "
Only statement appreciable is the above one.
Aditya:
No comments but I feel its about perception as below:
Benchmark = copy of something which is already there (either their own or of the Competitors).
Influential = Supports in your deeds (Good or Bad). As you said in your 1st statement, but not due to caste but for mutual benefit.
Good Communication = Misinterpreted usually as the person who can lie & camouflage beautifully.
many more...
Intend of the above conversation is not to hurt anyone but not to deprive the reality.
From India, Bangalore
I would rather reply to you in a soft language just to say, most of it what you said is not Ideal. reply to each of your comments as below:
"what my staff feel then I would be happy to accept their resignations with immediate effect"
The above sentence says you are not a good manager or leader, as you will be left alone in the company if your statement has value & you will be the one to bring down the company to streets, who is paying you to be this overconfident.
"I am a foreigner, whilst I do not have white skin, and I only speak English with a Non- Indian accent"
The above stanza clarifies that you do not respect for what you are. It would not be a surprise if you cheat your organization whom you r working with in the near future.
Just to bring you back to Earth from Heaven, I would have fired you for your attitude if I were to be your Manager.
"indeed I was accepted by the UK as a refugee from Africa, with only the clothes on my back"
This also clarifies that you do not value for the knowledge which you earned from elsewhere. Cloths, money is just because of what you had in the brain when you went there. Probably they might not have hired you looking at state of your cloths.
"I have worked really hard to build the company (and continue to do so)"
Just be arrogant always to your Manager (or just say "because of me the company is running") or to your Customer, then I would like to see how your hard work that pays you.
Dont be over-confidant as even Steve Jobs was fired from his Company Apple!!!
"So what if my White skinned senior management make decisions and don’t come and personally "
This is why India was thought to be place of "Snake Charmers" for foreigners, who thinks we do not have self-respect or Dignity.
"If we have a very small training/learning budget, that is because we employ the best talent, we are not a school where we pay students to attend"
Over confidence: you should own the patent organization!!
"Get one thing clear, we do NOT depend on India’s low cost of production, our costs are dictated by market forces such as minimum wage set by your government."
Govt. sets the wage based on the Low cost production, which depends on many factors including lively hood for each individual, not based on the Foreign companies requirement.
"in fact we serve that same population and consumption, which home grown companies are unable (or unwilling) to"
Are you doing to the Social work or running an Organizations?
"If our products are not required, the population will not buy, it really is quite easy to understand"
If you make the Consumers understand that the products you are selling is the result of the Consumers begging's (If you think Home land as incapable to feed them), then surely there will be no buyers for your products.
"Yes, the Western world is in economic crisis and India is not. Have you ever considered why? It is because India did not have the ability to invest in financial products that turned out to be toxic, even though it had the inclination to."
Had India not come under the influence & tyranny of the foreign world, It would never even think about economic crisis, as it has the capabilities to so & it did even 10000 of years of BC (Before Christ).
"MNC’s play a vital role in the Indian economy take a lead in improving business culture; provide hundreds and thousands of much needed jobs as the migration from rural to urban jobs increases"
If only MNC's need India & not viceversa!!!
to answer your Economic Image:
Go back to India's history & read about how much wealth were looted by foreigners since we were snake charmers at that time!.
"Uplift India’s international economic image whilst managing the corrupt Indian politicians’ image"
Contrary due to the money inflow due to these companies, politician's pockets are full. Can you imagine 1000of crores just from man's bribery. I would say the basic cause of bribery is big companies with large investments motives.
"By the way MNC’s are not all foreign owned, have you heard of Tata, Ambani, Mittal ?
So, please don’t knock MNC’s, instead you should be proud of them and if you are talented enough come and work for them. Jai Hind ! "
Only statement appreciable is the above one.
Aditya:
No comments but I feel its about perception as below:
Benchmark = copy of something which is already there (either their own or of the Competitors).
Influential = Supports in your deeds (Good or Bad). As you said in your 1st statement, but not due to caste but for mutual benefit.
Good Communication = Misinterpreted usually as the person who can lie & camouflage beautifully.
many more...
Intend of the above conversation is not to hurt anyone but not to deprive the reality.
From India, Bangalore
Just to brief, about Lala companies is family runned business in the name of so called Indian MNC which doesn\t have any features of MNC. Polices are made to be broken. You are paid Re. 1 as salary and make you do the work of 5 people i.e. Rs.5. You get raise only if you sitting in your boss cabin and agree with what shit he speaks. All in family , Uncle, Nephew, Neice are director and MD of the company.
They will spend in the name of company without realising that where it is a profit or loss. It's like income is Re.1 and expenses are Rs.5. They will recruit everybody left right and centre and when the work is over than show you the door in the name of cost cutting.
From India, Mumbai
They will spend in the name of company without realising that where it is a profit or loss. It's like income is Re.1 and expenses are Rs.5. They will recruit everybody left right and centre and when the work is over than show you the door in the name of cost cutting.
From India, Mumbai
Rb_udupa,
Despite your rant, I think you have misunderstood my underlying points.
If my staff feel that the company is so bad that they are justified in making negative comments (whilst still working and getting paid there), then they obviously have no pride in the company and will never be good ambassadors’. Please note that I stated that I will accept their resignations and not that I will fire them.
How does clarifying that I am of Indian origin, and only speak English with a non-Indian accent translate to I have no respect for myself?
How can I cheat my own organisation, which I have built with risking my own money? My company started from a corner of my bedroom where I was the only employee. Now the company employs just over 3,000 people and operates in 15 countries, over the last 10 years our staff turnover is at 0.28%. I wonder why? Could it be that all are paid well and also treated with respect and dignity? You would fire me for that???
You translate the fact that I was a refugee to having no value for gained knowledge. Please explain, I cannot understand the relationships within the comment. Incidentally, and I am sure you will be disappointed to learn this; I was hired despite my clothes.
Why do you think I am arrogant, because I work hard? The company is not just running it is growing and expanding, which equates to hard work...paying.
Yes, Foreigners think of India as a place of Snake Charmers, but not as you perpetuate; they think of Indian politicians as Snakes and the Indian people as Charming. Corporate India, on the other hand is most highly respected throughout the world. Educate yourself on this.
When the govt. sets wages...... that too is a market force. Educate yourself on this.
Yes we are doing Social work whilst running an organisation..... it is called Corporate Social Responsibility. Educate yourself on this.
When did I suggest consumers are begging for our products? I merely stated that we serve a demand.
Is it not time to stop blaming the tyranny of foreigners, India has been an independent nation for long enough to take responsibility of its own actions and inaction's.
You should first realize that bribes are not offered, they are demanded. Then you should question; demanded by whom?
Warm Regards,
Harsh
From United Kingdom, Barrow
Despite your rant, I think you have misunderstood my underlying points.
If my staff feel that the company is so bad that they are justified in making negative comments (whilst still working and getting paid there), then they obviously have no pride in the company and will never be good ambassadors’. Please note that I stated that I will accept their resignations and not that I will fire them.
How does clarifying that I am of Indian origin, and only speak English with a non-Indian accent translate to I have no respect for myself?
How can I cheat my own organisation, which I have built with risking my own money? My company started from a corner of my bedroom where I was the only employee. Now the company employs just over 3,000 people and operates in 15 countries, over the last 10 years our staff turnover is at 0.28%. I wonder why? Could it be that all are paid well and also treated with respect and dignity? You would fire me for that???
You translate the fact that I was a refugee to having no value for gained knowledge. Please explain, I cannot understand the relationships within the comment. Incidentally, and I am sure you will be disappointed to learn this; I was hired despite my clothes.
Why do you think I am arrogant, because I work hard? The company is not just running it is growing and expanding, which equates to hard work...paying.
Yes, Foreigners think of India as a place of Snake Charmers, but not as you perpetuate; they think of Indian politicians as Snakes and the Indian people as Charming. Corporate India, on the other hand is most highly respected throughout the world. Educate yourself on this.
When the govt. sets wages...... that too is a market force. Educate yourself on this.
Yes we are doing Social work whilst running an organisation..... it is called Corporate Social Responsibility. Educate yourself on this.
When did I suggest consumers are begging for our products? I merely stated that we serve a demand.
Is it not time to stop blaming the tyranny of foreigners, India has been an independent nation for long enough to take responsibility of its own actions and inaction's.
You should first realize that bribes are not offered, they are demanded. Then you should question; demanded by whom?
Warm Regards,
Harsh
From United Kingdom, Barrow
@Raj Kumar Hansdah- You unconditionally declare that Shri Aditya's article is Unoffensive about small scale Indian Companies and its an original Master piece. Wonder what makes you think otherwise when MNCs can also be criticized on the pros and cons.
Its Good to Judge comments, but its best to be a fair Judge and not a baised one.
Regarding Companies, have you ever found out what runs around all over the world regarding small scale companies???? If you had, you would have understood the prespective, and it more so applies in your case since you are tagged 'Senior Member' and 'Super Moderator'. I have read and appreciated many of your threads, but in this case unfortunately I think the bias is only specifically targetted towards Indian Small Scale Industry. Making a constructive article of pros and cons of both Indian as well as MNC culture would have been in better taste, which is what was attempted at. And regarding family business, most MNCs today are also family run business, please google it and you would find how Sons, Daughters and Relatives turn into Directors, CEOs, Vice Presidents etc. The point being made is that when we do poke fun at an Industry, it should be in the right prespective. And lastly. Original Work and Master Pieces are created over a considerable period of time with a lot of energy and pains put in effort to get minutest of details, which is why they are called Original Work. Something off the run is anybodys guess!
From India, Mumbai
Its Good to Judge comments, but its best to be a fair Judge and not a baised one.
Regarding Companies, have you ever found out what runs around all over the world regarding small scale companies???? If you had, you would have understood the prespective, and it more so applies in your case since you are tagged 'Senior Member' and 'Super Moderator'. I have read and appreciated many of your threads, but in this case unfortunately I think the bias is only specifically targetted towards Indian Small Scale Industry. Making a constructive article of pros and cons of both Indian as well as MNC culture would have been in better taste, which is what was attempted at. And regarding family business, most MNCs today are also family run business, please google it and you would find how Sons, Daughters and Relatives turn into Directors, CEOs, Vice Presidents etc. The point being made is that when we do poke fun at an Industry, it should be in the right prespective. And lastly. Original Work and Master Pieces are created over a considerable period of time with a lot of energy and pains put in effort to get minutest of details, which is why they are called Original Work. Something off the run is anybodys guess!
From India, Mumbai
Dear 28677...
I have never declared anything to the effect that you are insinuating or attributing.
As I already stated, I am simply encouraging a contributor.
Please do not take things so seriously; the piece is meant to be taken in a lighter vein.
There are several more interesting and important things to be done than to indulge further on this issue here. You may, if you still wish to; and do not have any other worthwhile contribution to make here ; send PM (private message) to me; rather than making personal remarks/attacks and making the thread unsavoury for members.
Warm regards,
From India, Delhi
I have never declared anything to the effect that you are insinuating or attributing.
As I already stated, I am simply encouraging a contributor.
Please do not take things so seriously; the piece is meant to be taken in a lighter vein.
There are several more interesting and important things to be done than to indulge further on this issue here. You may, if you still wish to; and do not have any other worthwhile contribution to make here ; send PM (private message) to me; rather than making personal remarks/attacks and making the thread unsavoury for members.
Warm regards,
From India, Delhi
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