PAN Card details,such as,Name of a person, Area code,your jurisdictional assessing officer can be vrified freely,by any one having a PAN Card no. of a person.
From India, Bokaro
45From India, Bokaro
The problem here is the OP wants to use the information to verify which company the candidate has worked with before, what salary he was getting and whether he left with notice or without notice
From India, Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
Dear Saswaat; Is not that very innovative ??
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So one should do all this to find out how much one SHOULD pay the candidate !!!!
Rather than doing homework like - what is the industry standard for such jobs; what are the qualification and experienc ?? what are the deliverables ?? how much the company should pay ?? how much others in similar position are getting ?? what are the company norms??
I think a day will come (because everything is transacted electronically over net through cards) when they will research on :
which kind of cars or bike he has driven earler;
what are his fav restaurants n monthly spend;
favourite multiplexes and monthly spend;
how he spends his money ??
and on his personal life : (to know how much extra time he can devote to the company :
how many girl-friends he has;
where he goes with them and time and money spent;
what gifts he buys for children and wife;
where he goes for vacation and how long;
etc. etc.
I have no idea whether it makes sense; or there are Better ways to achieve the desired objectives rather than SPYING on people.
I do feel that a potential employer, that means it covers ANYONE as potential recruit, should have the right to verify such things; except perhaps those hiring for government or for some terrorist activity, where one needs to know what one has been doing ever since he was born.
I would rather not like to be considered a "potential employee" of such companies; rather than give away my bonafide right to my privacy.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
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So one should do all this to find out how much one SHOULD pay the candidate !!!!
Rather than doing homework like - what is the industry standard for such jobs; what are the qualification and experienc ?? what are the deliverables ?? how much the company should pay ?? how much others in similar position are getting ?? what are the company norms??
I think a day will come (because everything is transacted electronically over net through cards) when they will research on :
which kind of cars or bike he has driven earler;
what are his fav restaurants n monthly spend;
favourite multiplexes and monthly spend;
how he spends his money ??
and on his personal life : (to know how much extra time he can devote to the company :
how many girl-friends he has;
where he goes with them and time and money spent;
what gifts he buys for children and wife;
where he goes for vacation and how long;
etc. etc.
I have no idea whether it makes sense; or there are Better ways to achieve the desired objectives rather than SPYING on people.
I do feel that a potential employer, that means it covers ANYONE as potential recruit, should have the right to verify such things; except perhaps those hiring for government or for some terrorist activity, where one needs to know what one has been doing ever since he was born.
I would rather not like to be considered a "potential employee" of such companies; rather than give away my bonafide right to my privacy.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
Dear Global
What I get from this is:
A Female employee worked in some company (maybe yours) for six months.
Then she left your company and joined another.
Since she did not "like" your company (or hated it so much; because of things that were done to her - as we keep reading in this forum); that she did not BOTHER TO TAKE RELIEVING LETTER.
Nor she mentioned this company in her CV; (naturally, as it may DILUTE her worth).
Now you want to find out; whether she can be forced to come to this company for setting the records straight, or take relieving certificates; etc. ??
My friend, the answer is NO; no good employers SPEND so much MONEY and EFFORT for such dubious activities; all they would do is a Background Check/Verification; That too upon the CONSENT of the Prospective Employee.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
What I get from this is:
A Female employee worked in some company (maybe yours) for six months.
Then she left your company and joined another.
Since she did not "like" your company (or hated it so much; because of things that were done to her - as we keep reading in this forum); that she did not BOTHER TO TAKE RELIEVING LETTER.
Nor she mentioned this company in her CV; (naturally, as it may DILUTE her worth).
Now you want to find out; whether she can be forced to come to this company for setting the records straight, or take relieving certificates; etc. ??
My friend, the answer is NO; no good employers SPEND so much MONEY and EFFORT for such dubious activities; all they would do is a Background Check/Verification; That too upon the CONSENT of the Prospective Employee.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
Raj,
I sincerely hope I have not given the impression that I support such an approach
Also, the original posting was not by me, but by someone else. I was replying to the post.
The point I was making is that you can not get such info from the pan number, because although the information is available, it is confidential. The It department is not suppose to disclose it. Some investigators have got it using bribery, but of course in very high stake matters as the amount spent for getting the info is very high.
That said, a quick google search, Facebook and linked in will give you many of the details. I have once found the copies of a candidates internal assessment in college and remarks by the teachers through google because some security flaw in their servers allowed google to reach it (I stumbled on it, was not searching for it)
So yes, what you said is true. Soon all information will be on net and people already use it. The problem today is that the information is not uniform and its your luck whether or not you get the info since the person may or may not have shared his info on fb / linked in
From India, Mumbai
I sincerely hope I have not given the impression that I support such an approach
Also, the original posting was not by me, but by someone else. I was replying to the post.
The point I was making is that you can not get such info from the pan number, because although the information is available, it is confidential. The It department is not suppose to disclose it. Some investigators have got it using bribery, but of course in very high stake matters as the amount spent for getting the info is very high.
That said, a quick google search, Facebook and linked in will give you many of the details. I have once found the copies of a candidates internal assessment in college and remarks by the teachers through google because some security flaw in their servers allowed google to reach it (I stumbled on it, was not searching for it)
So yes, what you said is true. Soon all information will be on net and people already use it. The problem today is that the information is not uniform and its your luck whether or not you get the info since the person may or may not have shared his info on fb / linked in
From India, Mumbai
After going through all the conversations /concern and suggestions and wonderful response with valid questions by Mr Raj Kumar, I agree with him, and don’t feel it is ethical or professional way to use PAN CARD for “Employee Background Verification” purpose.
In addition, after this no wonder if one would ask for using AADHAAR (UIDAI) for background verification in future, but do you really feel like this would be a valid procedure or ethical, concerning Employee (professional) Background Verification Procedure.
If you are trying to have a system like NASSCOM (Group of Companies) is following who is representing “Indian software industry” to share employee data with group companies, than I would like to say that it is not gonna be too easy or ethical/professional to adopt by using PAN CARD, also no other industries having such system yet to share employee information with each other.
Second, PAN CARD (using by Indian Govt –Income Tax Department) which is not just able to provide people’s all financial information but personal contacts (Address and other) to them that is also connected with all financial entities and are mandatory to use with all financial activities national wide. Now you say, do you can obtain this kind of connectivity. Also PAN CARD is a Govt regularized and I don’t think this would be right anyhow to use it for any purpose like this.
There are many reasons to say this and I believe you can also understand what I am intended to say …
From India, Gurgaon
In addition, after this no wonder if one would ask for using AADHAAR (UIDAI) for background verification in future, but do you really feel like this would be a valid procedure or ethical, concerning Employee (professional) Background Verification Procedure.
If you are trying to have a system like NASSCOM (Group of Companies) is following who is representing “Indian software industry” to share employee data with group companies, than I would like to say that it is not gonna be too easy or ethical/professional to adopt by using PAN CARD, also no other industries having such system yet to share employee information with each other.
Second, PAN CARD (using by Indian Govt –Income Tax Department) which is not just able to provide people’s all financial information but personal contacts (Address and other) to them that is also connected with all financial entities and are mandatory to use with all financial activities national wide. Now you say, do you can obtain this kind of connectivity. Also PAN CARD is a Govt regularized and I don’t think this would be right anyhow to use it for any purpose like this.
There are many reasons to say this and I believe you can also understand what I am intended to say …
From India, Gurgaon
Anil,
I am being mis-understood,
I did not say I can get the income tax department to give me full history of a person,myth at is available since many transactions are connected with pan card. I am not that powerful !! But I have seen in some high stakes cases, entire income tax returns of certain persons along with attachments, form 16, form H etc pulled out for analysis and tracking.
My point was : don't be surprised if someone can get your so called confidential data from the tax department. I also pointed out to the original poster, that this is also very expensive and makes no sense in most normal cases.
I hope I have made my point clear
From India, Mumbai
I am being mis-understood,
I did not say I can get the income tax department to give me full history of a person,myth at is available since many transactions are connected with pan card. I am not that powerful !! But I have seen in some high stakes cases, entire income tax returns of certain persons along with attachments, form 16, form H etc pulled out for analysis and tracking.
My point was : don't be surprised if someone can get your so called confidential data from the tax department. I also pointed out to the original poster, that this is also very expensive and makes no sense in most normal cases.
I hope I have made my point clear
From India, Mumbai
We normally hired a antecedent verification agency to do this type of work. Normally, they gave a report which also constituted their educational background and verification apart from employment background and verification apart from finding out whether there are any complaints pending with Police stations in areas where the person lived in. They also give a brief family background of the person. But, I have been in manufacturing sector all my life. I understand that IT companies have their own way of doing background checks.
From Indonesia, Jakarta
From Indonesia, Jakarta
i know that you were misguided which is why i cleared your confusions by presenting these examples and questions asked by Mr Raj Kumar are also valid.
I explained the things about NASSCOM and INDIAN INCOME TAX DEPARTMENT and the system adopted by using PAN CARD because i wanted to tell you that it is not too easy to use any system likewise or by using PAN CARD.
Second, to make a system by using PAN CARD anyhow in regard to EMPLOYEE VERIFICATION is actually not valid here because, let me repeat, "PAN CARD" is Govt authorized/regularized.
About hiring and background verification :
There are many professionals/consultants who are providing services, and employee verification can be done by them but still it is not very much successful or adopted by professionals at Industry level. And we must accept that it is not so easy too but can be possible by initiating or taking corrective steps by big and higher ranked executive at Industry. I remember when I raised this concern while at my research discussions with my team in Jaipur last year December, about "Notice Period and Conflicts" and "Good fits by HRD for Organization" where I pointed out the lacks in our hiring and recruitment system and presented solutions and also have discussed with many HRM and seniors people but unfortunately, i never found people much interested by many reason.
I believe we must share and raise our concern with HR Meets, HR Xpo like <link no longer exists - removed> and National HR Conference by XLRI , SHRM , HR Events and ISB&M Conferences and Seminars
Every recruiter wants to hire genuine experienced employees for Organizations which is really important, and also going through with many problems while at the hiring procedure these days and are expecting some kind of solutions like "Employee Background Verification" that can help somehow but not ready to take it further. We having number of discussions on the same topic and participated by many Industry experts too but still we are waiting for a good solution..
From India, Gurgaon
I explained the things about NASSCOM and INDIAN INCOME TAX DEPARTMENT and the system adopted by using PAN CARD because i wanted to tell you that it is not too easy to use any system likewise or by using PAN CARD.
Second, to make a system by using PAN CARD anyhow in regard to EMPLOYEE VERIFICATION is actually not valid here because, let me repeat, "PAN CARD" is Govt authorized/regularized.
About hiring and background verification :
There are many professionals/consultants who are providing services, and employee verification can be done by them but still it is not very much successful or adopted by professionals at Industry level. And we must accept that it is not so easy too but can be possible by initiating or taking corrective steps by big and higher ranked executive at Industry. I remember when I raised this concern while at my research discussions with my team in Jaipur last year December, about "Notice Period and Conflicts" and "Good fits by HRD for Organization" where I pointed out the lacks in our hiring and recruitment system and presented solutions and also have discussed with many HRM and seniors people but unfortunately, i never found people much interested by many reason.
I believe we must share and raise our concern with HR Meets, HR Xpo like <link no longer exists - removed> and National HR Conference by XLRI , SHRM , HR Events and ISB&M Conferences and Seminars
Every recruiter wants to hire genuine experienced employees for Organizations which is really important, and also going through with many problems while at the hiring procedure these days and are expecting some kind of solutions like "Employee Background Verification" that can help somehow but not ready to take it further. We having number of discussions on the same topic and participated by many Industry experts too but still we are waiting for a good solution..
From India, Gurgaon
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