Dear Seniors,
I am Dhilip, I am working as HR Executive from dec 12 to till date. But, They didn't give me an offer letter and an appointment letter to me and our colleagues yet. They told, will give when is your probation period over. Till date, Six months passed. But, They didn't give an offer letter to me. I don't know what should i do. PLEASE HELP ME OUT..
I am expecting your feedback.
From India, Madras
I am Dhilip, I am working as HR Executive from dec 12 to till date. But, They didn't give me an offer letter and an appointment letter to me and our colleagues yet. They told, will give when is your probation period over. Till date, Six months passed. But, They didn't give an offer letter to me. I don't know what should i do. PLEASE HELP ME OUT..
I am expecting your feedback.
From India, Madras
What is the mode of payment you get your salary. If it is through bank, then you need not to worry. The monthly remittance of your salary in your account will establish your employer /employee relationship. Hence you need not to worry.
What is the purpose of asking others. Hope you are the only HR person available in your office. You draft the offer letter and appointment letter on confirmation of probation period. Then pass it to the MD for obtaining the approval and further make the final copy and take the signature and issue to all the staff available in your office.
From India, Kumbakonam
1168What is the purpose of asking others. Hope you are the only HR person available in your office. You draft the offer letter and appointment letter on confirmation of probation period. Then pass it to the MD for obtaining the approval and further make the final copy and take the signature and issue to all the staff available in your office.
From India, Kumbakonam
Hi Dhilip,
Hope you will be doing well.
Let the time to come you can prepare the appointment,confirmation at your own & get it signed by your MD/HOD.
What is your Mode of payment ? I.e. Cash/Cheque/Bank Transfer.
If yours options are by Cheque or Bank Transfer than it is probable that you are in employment of that particular company /office.
From India, Gurgaon
Hope you will be doing well.
Let the time to come you can prepare the appointment,confirmation at your own & get it signed by your MD/HOD.
What is your Mode of payment ? I.e. Cash/Cheque/Bank Transfer.
If yours options are by Cheque or Bank Transfer than it is probable that you are in employment of that particular company /office.
From India, Gurgaon
Dear Dilip,
hope everything is fine, please get an offer letter duly singed by MD/ Hr head and if they decline kindly discuss the legal option as you will be getting salary credit in bank with your MD.
Regards,
Kailash
From India, Bangalore
hope everything is fine, please get an offer letter duly singed by MD/ Hr head and if they decline kindly discuss the legal option as you will be getting salary credit in bank with your MD.
Regards,
Kailash
From India, Bangalore
Hello,
QUIT your employment at the FIRST good opportunity.
Your employers are evidently uncouth and you do not have to try and REFORM them. If they are in business, it is not as though they do not know what they are doing. They are behaving deliberately. The people who do not issue even the Appointment Letter are for dishonourable reasons avoiding binding to any terms and conditions of the contract of employment. But then you also are not bound by anything aside of applicable law. But this is NOT a healthy situation and you have to correct it quickly!
This sounds harsh but you may, in fact, be wasting your time and more honourable opportunities in the profession!
Regards
samvedan
June 22, 2013
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From India, Pune
QUIT your employment at the FIRST good opportunity.
Your employers are evidently uncouth and you do not have to try and REFORM them. If they are in business, it is not as though they do not know what they are doing. They are behaving deliberately. The people who do not issue even the Appointment Letter are for dishonourable reasons avoiding binding to any terms and conditions of the contract of employment. But then you also are not bound by anything aside of applicable law. But this is NOT a healthy situation and you have to correct it quickly!
This sounds harsh but you may, in fact, be wasting your time and more honourable opportunities in the profession!
Regards
samvedan
June 22, 2013
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From India, Pune
Hello Dhilip,
Actually there isn't sufficient data to give you the right in-puts, and all whatever has been said earlier are a few dimensions. If it is a sole trading business, you may not get an appointment letter, or if you are working for someone who is say into cracker manufacturing business in Sivakasi, then too there are chances of your not getting an appointment letter because even the one who employs and pays you your salary isn't sure of his business.
Hence, it would have been nice to know the Nature of business or the place you work, the number of people working,
Using the normal practice :
As one who could be launching on to a career as a new employee, appointment letter issues are far from your mind. Like most people, you want to get started, and you are thrilled that you are starting a new phase in your life. You have a job. You are full of eagerness and expectation.
After a while when the enthusiasm has subsided somehow, you realize that you do not have an appointment letter. You do not know most of the terms and conditions of employment or how do you know terms and conditions of employment. And you are not very sure what you need to do. You inquire from your working colleagues about issuance of appointment letters.
Management may not have issued appointment letters to some of them when they first reported for duty. They tell you they have their appointment letters now. This assures you and you wait a little longer. A month passed. Then two months. No appointment letter. What must you do? Must you wait some more?
This is the dilemma, because if you want to take up another job, to further your career, you will have no proof what-so-ever. You'd have to start all over again as a "fresher." Then what would you mention on your c.v. "working and have experience or "not working and no experience." This then reduces the chances of your job prospecting.
The most reasonable thing you can do is to see your supervisor. He or she is supposed to help solve any subordinate's problems. If your supervisor has no answer to your inquiries, then he or she should either refer the case to the one who is heading Human Resource (HR). Do not by any means by-pass your supervisor by going to the Head, HR without his or her knowledge or permission. This is not right based on the reporting channel.
Having waited for this long, you may need to wait a little more, if your employer gives a reason that seems acceptable. But do not wait any longer than one month. Find the first opportunity to see your supervisor or, alternatively the Head, HR people after consulting your supervisor.
The issue:
You are told that you will get the appointment letter at the end of the probationary period.This is a real appointment letter issue.
My submission: This is not proper. At the end of the probationary period, your employer is supposed to issue you a confirmation letter if your work is found satisfactory.
Contents of offer letter differ from appointment letter. This amounts to a lie on the part of the employer. This is another reason why an offer letter is not necessary.
This is an assumption: Only senior employees are issued appointment letters. There is no acceptable reason for doing this.
However, lastly, you are free to ask for permission to see the right people if not in the HR someone higher up regarding your problem.
Having said this, I'm surprised, that there are such nomad organizations still on the face of this planet. It is only right that employers issue appointment letters to new employees before they report for duty. They could claim to have some valid reasons for this, however, it is not the norm. It is not proper, it's unethical, illegal.
Have patience, do not do anything in a hurry to hamper your entire career. Who knows this roughing out could make you into an entrepreneur,r who will want to set an example, of being a good employer in the future.
From India, Hyderabad
Actually there isn't sufficient data to give you the right in-puts, and all whatever has been said earlier are a few dimensions. If it is a sole trading business, you may not get an appointment letter, or if you are working for someone who is say into cracker manufacturing business in Sivakasi, then too there are chances of your not getting an appointment letter because even the one who employs and pays you your salary isn't sure of his business.
Hence, it would have been nice to know the Nature of business or the place you work, the number of people working,
Using the normal practice :
As one who could be launching on to a career as a new employee, appointment letter issues are far from your mind. Like most people, you want to get started, and you are thrilled that you are starting a new phase in your life. You have a job. You are full of eagerness and expectation.
After a while when the enthusiasm has subsided somehow, you realize that you do not have an appointment letter. You do not know most of the terms and conditions of employment or how do you know terms and conditions of employment. And you are not very sure what you need to do. You inquire from your working colleagues about issuance of appointment letters.
Management may not have issued appointment letters to some of them when they first reported for duty. They tell you they have their appointment letters now. This assures you and you wait a little longer. A month passed. Then two months. No appointment letter. What must you do? Must you wait some more?
This is the dilemma, because if you want to take up another job, to further your career, you will have no proof what-so-ever. You'd have to start all over again as a "fresher." Then what would you mention on your c.v. "working and have experience or "not working and no experience." This then reduces the chances of your job prospecting.
The most reasonable thing you can do is to see your supervisor. He or she is supposed to help solve any subordinate's problems. If your supervisor has no answer to your inquiries, then he or she should either refer the case to the one who is heading Human Resource (HR). Do not by any means by-pass your supervisor by going to the Head, HR without his or her knowledge or permission. This is not right based on the reporting channel.
Having waited for this long, you may need to wait a little more, if your employer gives a reason that seems acceptable. But do not wait any longer than one month. Find the first opportunity to see your supervisor or, alternatively the Head, HR people after consulting your supervisor.
The issue:
You are told that you will get the appointment letter at the end of the probationary period.This is a real appointment letter issue.
My submission: This is not proper. At the end of the probationary period, your employer is supposed to issue you a confirmation letter if your work is found satisfactory.
Contents of offer letter differ from appointment letter. This amounts to a lie on the part of the employer. This is another reason why an offer letter is not necessary.
This is an assumption: Only senior employees are issued appointment letters. There is no acceptable reason for doing this.
However, lastly, you are free to ask for permission to see the right people if not in the HR someone higher up regarding your problem.
Having said this, I'm surprised, that there are such nomad organizations still on the face of this planet. It is only right that employers issue appointment letters to new employees before they report for duty. They could claim to have some valid reasons for this, however, it is not the norm. It is not proper, it's unethical, illegal.
Have patience, do not do anything in a hurry to hamper your entire career. Who knows this roughing out could make you into an entrepreneur,r who will want to set an example, of being a good employer in the future.
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Dhilipkumar,
Others have given you some ideas based on limited information provided by you, and also raised pertinent questions. Let me add a bit more questions before making a comment.
What is your background and what qualifications do you have? What are your duties? How large is the organization and what is the nature of the business? Is it a start up company? More the information you provide more precise will be the advice that you get.
Did you have a verbal offer? If so, what were the terms of the probation period, etc., explained to you. I am amazed that in this age people are paid in cash and people take up such jobs without an offer/appointment letter!! How many of you are in the same situation? Is the company giving wages agreed at the time of interview?
I can keep on asking questions, but I won't. One final question: suppose a friend came to you for advice saying that he is in a similar situation to yours, what would your advice be as HR executive?
From United Kingdom
Others have given you some ideas based on limited information provided by you, and also raised pertinent questions. Let me add a bit more questions before making a comment.
What is your background and what qualifications do you have? What are your duties? How large is the organization and what is the nature of the business? Is it a start up company? More the information you provide more precise will be the advice that you get.
Did you have a verbal offer? If so, what were the terms of the probation period, etc., explained to you. I am amazed that in this age people are paid in cash and people take up such jobs without an offer/appointment letter!! How many of you are in the same situation? Is the company giving wages agreed at the time of interview?
I can keep on asking questions, but I won't. One final question: suppose a friend came to you for advice saying that he is in a similar situation to yours, what would your advice be as HR executive?
From United Kingdom
Dear Dilip,
As rightly pointed out by the senior members, in the first place, how did you join a company without proper offer letter and contract of employment. These two are vital to the employment of any person. It appears that your company is doing business of a dubious nature. Tomorrow if the company turns down any settlement claim by employees, you cannot substantiate your employment status without valid documents.
Are they contributing to employees PF, ESI etc.? If so, it must be routed through HR. That establishes employer-employee relation.
Is the company a new establishment and is in the process of stabilizing? Even in such case also, it won't take 6 months for a company to issue offer letter / contract of employment.
Normally appointment letter is issued to employee on selection and offer letter and contract of employment are given at the time of joining the organization. A confirmation letter is given to employee on completion of agreed term of probation.
You have stated that the company said it will give offer letter after 6 months, then it is suspicious. Please watch carefully what is happening and take appropriate step at an opportune time.
Regards,
Madhusudan
From India, Vijayawada
As rightly pointed out by the senior members, in the first place, how did you join a company without proper offer letter and contract of employment. These two are vital to the employment of any person. It appears that your company is doing business of a dubious nature. Tomorrow if the company turns down any settlement claim by employees, you cannot substantiate your employment status without valid documents.
Are they contributing to employees PF, ESI etc.? If so, it must be routed through HR. That establishes employer-employee relation.
Is the company a new establishment and is in the process of stabilizing? Even in such case also, it won't take 6 months for a company to issue offer letter / contract of employment.
Normally appointment letter is issued to employee on selection and offer letter and contract of employment are given at the time of joining the organization. A confirmation letter is given to employee on completion of agreed term of probation.
You have stated that the company said it will give offer letter after 6 months, then it is suspicious. Please watch carefully what is happening and take appropriate step at an opportune time.
Regards,
Madhusudan
From India, Vijayawada
Dear HR fratinity,
We are transferring one of our manufacturing unit from one location to another location. Gurgaon to Manesar.We have strong labour union.
I would request you to help me to know what are the benefits we will give to worker and other things I must keep in mind.
Thanks for your support.
From India, New Delhi
We are transferring one of our manufacturing unit from one location to another location. Gurgaon to Manesar.We have strong labour union.
I would request you to help me to know what are the benefits we will give to worker and other things I must keep in mind.
Thanks for your support.
From India, New Delhi
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