Dear Fellow colleagues
Let we start a discussion on Person taking MSW (PM and IR) and another took MBA (HR) ,MBA HR People have more Priorities in all HR related activity than MSW students .Why so??? what is the difference?? Moreover both the persons were placed as HR's in a company...MBA candidate is more valued than MSW. Even though while comparing to MBA students, MSW or social work student have Practical exposure in Industries when they are studying. Why there is more difference shown in case of MSW students.MSW is not a valuable course???????? Not Recognized????? and also their pay scale is also less while compare to MBA (HR) students. Why so???? Kindly contribute your discussions and answers to this Thread.
From India, Coimbatore
20Let we start a discussion on Person taking MSW (PM and IR) and another took MBA (HR) ,MBA HR People have more Priorities in all HR related activity than MSW students .Why so??? what is the difference?? Moreover both the persons were placed as HR's in a company...MBA candidate is more valued than MSW. Even though while comparing to MBA students, MSW or social work student have Practical exposure in Industries when they are studying. Why there is more difference shown in case of MSW students.MSW is not a valuable course???????? Not Recognized????? and also their pay scale is also less while compare to MBA (HR) students. Why so???? Kindly contribute your discussions and answers to this Thread.
From India, Coimbatore
Dear Varsha,
This is not the case as you thnk, companies value the reletive experince and the profile they the candidates have been working, MBA(HR) or MSW are reletive ly two differebt fields of study , but there distination remains the same, i.e. Managing Laws and employee management, but MSW is more relevant with the Labour Laws and is more prefered ocer MBA as the MBA's are more driven to strategy and productivity but are not well conversant to Laws, A candidate with MSW is more preferred over MBA as he has dual advantage of Laws over MBA
I have done my MBA and now i am pursuing PM/IR to add on my cv and increase my knowledge
regards
ashish
HR & Hospitality
From India, Calcutta
This is not the case as you thnk, companies value the reletive experince and the profile they the candidates have been working, MBA(HR) or MSW are reletive ly two differebt fields of study , but there distination remains the same, i.e. Managing Laws and employee management, but MSW is more relevant with the Labour Laws and is more prefered ocer MBA as the MBA's are more driven to strategy and productivity but are not well conversant to Laws, A candidate with MSW is more preferred over MBA as he has dual advantage of Laws over MBA
I have done my MBA and now i am pursuing PM/IR to add on my cv and increase my knowledge
regards
ashish
HR & Hospitality
From India, Calcutta
Dear Varsha
First let me appreciate your post asking some fundamentals.
As an engineer turned CEO, let me give some examples to you, which will clear your doubts.
In engineering when we have studied there are only three branches were available namely Mechanical, Civil and Electrical. Branch Electronics came a bit later. Today there are over 30 branches are available , which are developed from one of the main four branches mentioned above.
If you look back the history, it was only after the industrial revolution, the manufacturing sector came into existence and dominated the world. There were not much Service sectors as on today like banking, IT and Health care etc except the Government administration.
In order to comply the mandatory requirements, Personnel Management was created in most the engineering factories by few experienced administrative personnel, and some of them were Law graduates. As an add on qualification, these set of people done PG Diploma courses to equip for their position thorough few Non –affiliated Insitutions,who were running these course. In later years when the concept of MBA came, branches of Personnel have been transformed to HRA with more specialization in handling the human power. However I find some MBA’s are also pursuing MSW courses in order to practice Business Law,which is not well covered in their MBA.
Hence the PSW holders are not full fledged HR personnel as in the present. I fully agree with you these qualified personnel can not be equated with the present HBA –HR personnel, as they study a different curriculum. In this digital age, we need compare the role of MBA HR with MSW which is not relevant
In my personal opinion, in the area of handling human relations,you can survive without a degree in HR or even a PG diploma in MSW, but can not survive without a common sense, which is uncommon in handling human beings.
Hope my inputs will clear few things to you.
Regards
AVS
From India, Madras
First let me appreciate your post asking some fundamentals.
As an engineer turned CEO, let me give some examples to you, which will clear your doubts.
In engineering when we have studied there are only three branches were available namely Mechanical, Civil and Electrical. Branch Electronics came a bit later. Today there are over 30 branches are available , which are developed from one of the main four branches mentioned above.
If you look back the history, it was only after the industrial revolution, the manufacturing sector came into existence and dominated the world. There were not much Service sectors as on today like banking, IT and Health care etc except the Government administration.
In order to comply the mandatory requirements, Personnel Management was created in most the engineering factories by few experienced administrative personnel, and some of them were Law graduates. As an add on qualification, these set of people done PG Diploma courses to equip for their position thorough few Non –affiliated Insitutions,who were running these course. In later years when the concept of MBA came, branches of Personnel have been transformed to HRA with more specialization in handling the human power. However I find some MBA’s are also pursuing MSW courses in order to practice Business Law,which is not well covered in their MBA.
Hence the PSW holders are not full fledged HR personnel as in the present. I fully agree with you these qualified personnel can not be equated with the present HBA –HR personnel, as they study a different curriculum. In this digital age, we need compare the role of MBA HR with MSW which is not relevant
In my personal opinion, in the area of handling human relations,you can survive without a degree in HR or even a PG diploma in MSW, but can not survive without a common sense, which is uncommon in handling human beings.
Hope my inputs will clear few things to you.
Regards
AVS
From India, Madras
Dear Mr.AVS
First i thank you for your reply
I agree with what you have said. But my question is MSW students have a practical exposure in HR DEPARTMENT while studies than MBA students..But now a days Diploma candidate i mean to say Diploma in HR or PM/IR candidates are more valued than MSW students why so even though
MSW is said to be a Post graduation But these People have struggle in Getting into Prompt field..I mean MSW can work even as back office or front office work..while in the same company people having MBA or Diploma candidate were working in HR Department and also now a days Personnel management is consider as same as Human resource management.Even MSW people can solve the problems Better than MBA's but my topic is why there is partiality in case of MSW students????? IF MSW students were appointed as HR what is the Problem?????? If a Person completed MSW and PG diploma in HRM why they are not accepting for hr position????? why it is not accepted as universal level???? I think am clearly explained my part.
From India, Coimbatore
First i thank you for your reply
I agree with what you have said. But my question is MSW students have a practical exposure in HR DEPARTMENT while studies than MBA students..But now a days Diploma candidate i mean to say Diploma in HR or PM/IR candidates are more valued than MSW students why so even though
MSW is said to be a Post graduation But these People have struggle in Getting into Prompt field..I mean MSW can work even as back office or front office work..while in the same company people having MBA or Diploma candidate were working in HR Department and also now a days Personnel management is consider as same as Human resource management.Even MSW people can solve the problems Better than MBA's but my topic is why there is partiality in case of MSW students????? IF MSW students were appointed as HR what is the Problem?????? If a Person completed MSW and PG diploma in HRM why they are not accepting for hr position????? why it is not accepted as universal level???? I think am clearly explained my part.
From India, Coimbatore
Dear Varsha
Thanks for your response.
I very well understand your doubts.
Let me clarify few things to you.
Today's HRM is basically an off-shoot of old days Personnel Mangement.
The disparity you have been mentioning is depends on the following matters:
-Culture of the organization.
-The level of experience of the HR/Personnel managers.
-The size of the organization and
-The policy of the organization.
High profile organization will give higher weightage to the MBA,though they can not match the experience of the MSW candidates.
Multinationational firms will not deviate from the rule of considering the fair pay to the higher qualification candidates.
In medium and small sized firms some flexibilities are followed for a fair pay even for the less qualified people.
I know a good old mutinational origin,but an Indian company in the electronic industry,will not designate any one as a Manager,unless they are degree holder in engineering.In the case of HR,the company always perfer a PG candidate or MBA for all the support functions.
"Your question of.........Even MSW people can solve the problems Better than MBA's but my topic is why there is partiality in case of MSW students????? IF MSW students were appointed as HR what is the Problem?????? If a Person completed MSW and PG diploma in HRM why they are not accepting for hr position????? why it is not accepted as universal level???? I think am clearly explained my part." is difficult to answer as the solution varies from case to case.
I have even observed the same trend even in developed countries,but this kind of difference in qualification levels does not exis much there.First of all,they do not recognise any qualifications other than the University. At top level selection, Harward,Stanford like alone are considered as we have here IIT/IIM etc.
Hopy you will have some clarity now.
Regards
AVS
From India, Madras
Thanks for your response.
I very well understand your doubts.
Let me clarify few things to you.
Today's HRM is basically an off-shoot of old days Personnel Mangement.
The disparity you have been mentioning is depends on the following matters:
-Culture of the organization.
-The level of experience of the HR/Personnel managers.
-The size of the organization and
-The policy of the organization.
High profile organization will give higher weightage to the MBA,though they can not match the experience of the MSW candidates.
Multinationational firms will not deviate from the rule of considering the fair pay to the higher qualification candidates.
In medium and small sized firms some flexibilities are followed for a fair pay even for the less qualified people.
I know a good old mutinational origin,but an Indian company in the electronic industry,will not designate any one as a Manager,unless they are degree holder in engineering.In the case of HR,the company always perfer a PG candidate or MBA for all the support functions.
"Your question of.........Even MSW people can solve the problems Better than MBA's but my topic is why there is partiality in case of MSW students????? IF MSW students were appointed as HR what is the Problem?????? If a Person completed MSW and PG diploma in HRM why they are not accepting for hr position????? why it is not accepted as universal level???? I think am clearly explained my part." is difficult to answer as the solution varies from case to case.
I have even observed the same trend even in developed countries,but this kind of difference in qualification levels does not exis much there.First of all,they do not recognise any qualifications other than the University. At top level selection, Harward,Stanford like alone are considered as we have here IIT/IIM etc.
Hopy you will have some clarity now.
Regards
AVS
From India, Madras
yes... Amrutha varshini,
basically what u r asking.. we can find in most of orgnaizations that MSW candidates are not treating as MBA Hr..simply i can say Yes..
as per AVS he clarified almost in deep with subjective stuff..
that it will depends upon the culture of the compeny.
incase of MNC or Big compenys ,,yes there are a elegible critaria for each and every job..acordingly now a days there are number of wide topics developed in management studies..this can hepl to smoothen the administration..
in other way...for example in past there are only one doctor to handle all the illness, but now u can imagine how many ??
for each and every part u can find a supparate doctor,
same in industrial adminstration also there are more products and more professinals as well as more mentalities with more problems , to handle these problems we want profesional trainers , some times we can observe that a vary big problem also can solve with small solution we can call it as miracle but miracles not always happen.
just like that we have to follow the company critaria and recruit the personnels.
ok..there is another matter that MSW cadidates are dwaring less than MBA HR,
But we cant see this issue in only one angle. if u observe the recruitment cretaria in NGO and social service field this will appeare reverse, i mean MSW persons in High position and MBA s are working under them as well as salory..by tha way in social service field most sucsess rate is obtaining by MSW personnels..it is fact.bakaz the nature of work supports to MSW .
Yes ..we shud agree this world is mainly based on procuctive basis not as service basis..
so naturally the rule will run from magarity..
i can say finaly that AVS clarification is most use full for ur topis than my calrification..this is my angle to explaine this iissue..
hope..u will compare both and come to conclusion..
all the best..
khan
From India, Mumbai
basically what u r asking.. we can find in most of orgnaizations that MSW candidates are not treating as MBA Hr..simply i can say Yes..
as per AVS he clarified almost in deep with subjective stuff..
that it will depends upon the culture of the compeny.
incase of MNC or Big compenys ,,yes there are a elegible critaria for each and every job..acordingly now a days there are number of wide topics developed in management studies..this can hepl to smoothen the administration..
in other way...for example in past there are only one doctor to handle all the illness, but now u can imagine how many ??
for each and every part u can find a supparate doctor,
same in industrial adminstration also there are more products and more professinals as well as more mentalities with more problems , to handle these problems we want profesional trainers , some times we can observe that a vary big problem also can solve with small solution we can call it as miracle but miracles not always happen.
just like that we have to follow the company critaria and recruit the personnels.
ok..there is another matter that MSW cadidates are dwaring less than MBA HR,
But we cant see this issue in only one angle. if u observe the recruitment cretaria in NGO and social service field this will appeare reverse, i mean MSW persons in High position and MBA s are working under them as well as salory..by tha way in social service field most sucsess rate is obtaining by MSW personnels..it is fact.bakaz the nature of work supports to MSW .
Yes ..we shud agree this world is mainly based on procuctive basis not as service basis..
so naturally the rule will run from magarity..
i can say finaly that AVS clarification is most use full for ur topis than my calrification..this is my angle to explaine this iissue..
hope..u will compare both and come to conclusion..
all the best..
khan
From India, Mumbai
yes, Fist of all thank to you sir/madam Amirtha and Varsha. iam studied in final year department of msw hr. living in trichy (T.N) shall i ask you one question coming january 2016 i will going to intenship on related to hr field. so, kindly you can suggest me i willing to go for eny industry. i would like to banglore or coimbatore? kindly tell me its my request to you.
From India, Bangalore
From India, Bangalore
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