Greetings Members, I have a part-time helper in my organization. He works for 2 hours a day. He earns INR 5000 a month with us. Do we need to deduct ESIC/PF for him? If, yes.
How would we decide his Basic salary in that case as his total salary altogether is under minimum wages according to the state of Haryana?
Also, i would like to understand the situation based on 2 scenarios:
1. If he is working at some other place full-time and already getting PF/ESIC there.
2. If he is working at 3 different places, are all employers liable to pay PF/ESIC?
Regards
Preet
From India, Chandigarh
1How would we decide his Basic salary in that case as his total salary altogether is under minimum wages according to the state of Haryana?
Also, i would like to understand the situation based on 2 scenarios:
1. If he is working at some other place full-time and already getting PF/ESIC there.
2. If he is working at 3 different places, are all employers liable to pay PF/ESIC?
Regards
Preet
From India, Chandigarh
PF and ESI deduction for part time employee is must. Deduction should be on the basis of minimum wages.
If the employee works more than one or two organizations, he should be engaged through one contractor in each place and that contractor combining his total earnings from all will deposit PF and ESI under contractor's code. If it is not possible, then the situation is complicated. I have no idea whether PF & ESIC Authority will allow to deposit other PEs to deposit contribution in the same UAN No. & ESI no registered under one particular PE. I would request others to contribute if there is any other idea to address the issue.
S K Bandyopadhyay ( WB, Howrah )
CEO-USD HR Solutions
+91 98310 81531
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From India, New Delhi
If the employee works more than one or two organizations, he should be engaged through one contractor in each place and that contractor combining his total earnings from all will deposit PF and ESI under contractor's code. If it is not possible, then the situation is complicated. I have no idea whether PF & ESIC Authority will allow to deposit other PEs to deposit contribution in the same UAN No. & ESI no registered under one particular PE. I would request others to contribute if there is any other idea to address the issue.
S K Bandyopadhyay ( WB, Howrah )
CEO-USD HR Solutions
+91 98310 81531
skb@usdhrs.in
www.usdhrs.in
From India, New Delhi
As opined by S K, the part time employees should be given PF and ESI provided their notional wages do not exceed the threshold limit of Rs 15000 and Rs 21000 per month respectively. If the amount you pay is Rs 5000, pay it on 5000. Of course, if their wages for two hours at hourly rate prescribed by the government is less than that you can pay it on that amount treating the balance as allowance like travelling expenses reimbursements.
Coming to the second part of the question, I would like to say that if an employee working for different employer, say four employers, say, A, B, C and D, one employer, say D, can cover him under ESI or PF or both. That employer (D) will make payment on the total earnings of the worker and all the three employers , A, B and C will contribute to B by way of reimbursement.
But, to be more practical, it is good to follow what S K has said, that to make the employee under a contractor. The contractor can register him under his PF and ESI portals. Depending upon the hours spent in each company, the contractor can raise bills to each company. There is no need to pay directly to the workers, nor is it required to reimburse the contribution paid by some other company.
From India, Kannur
Coming to the second part of the question, I would like to say that if an employee working for different employer, say four employers, say, A, B, C and D, one employer, say D, can cover him under ESI or PF or both. That employer (D) will make payment on the total earnings of the worker and all the three employers , A, B and C will contribute to B by way of reimbursement.
But, to be more practical, it is good to follow what S K has said, that to make the employee under a contractor. The contractor can register him under his PF and ESI portals. Depending upon the hours spent in each company, the contractor can raise bills to each company. There is no need to pay directly to the workers, nor is it required to reimburse the contribution paid by some other company.
From India, Kannur
Yes, you need to deduct ESIC/PF for your part-time helper even though his total salary is under the minimum wages in Haryana. The threshold limit for PF contribution is Rs. 15,000 per month and for ESIC contribution is Rs. 21,000 per month. So, you need to deduct PF and ESIC on his entire salary of Rs. 5000.
The basic salary for PF and ESIC contribution is calculated as follows:
Basic salary = Total salary - HRA - Other allowances
In your case, the total salary is Rs. 5000 and there are no HRA or other allowances. So, the basic salary will be Rs. 5000.
Now, let's look at the two scenarios you mentioned:
Scenario 1: If he is working at some other place full-time and already getting PF/ESIC there.
In this case, you are not required to deduct PF and ESIC for him. However, you need to keep a record of his total salary from all employers and ensure that it does not exceed the threshold limits for PF and ESIC contribution.
Scenario 2: If he is working at 3 different places, are all employers liable to pay PF/ESIC?
Yes, all employers are liable to pay PF and ESIC for him, even if he is working at 3 different places. The total PF and ESIC contributions from all employers should not exceed the threshold limits.
I hope this answers your questions.
From India, Dombivali
The basic salary for PF and ESIC contribution is calculated as follows:
Basic salary = Total salary - HRA - Other allowances
In your case, the total salary is Rs. 5000 and there are no HRA or other allowances. So, the basic salary will be Rs. 5000.
Now, let's look at the two scenarios you mentioned:
Scenario 1: If he is working at some other place full-time and already getting PF/ESIC there.
In this case, you are not required to deduct PF and ESIC for him. However, you need to keep a record of his total salary from all employers and ensure that it does not exceed the threshold limits for PF and ESIC contribution.
Scenario 2: If he is working at 3 different places, are all employers liable to pay PF/ESIC?
Yes, all employers are liable to pay PF and ESIC for him, even if he is working at 3 different places. The total PF and ESIC contributions from all employers should not exceed the threshold limits.
I hope this answers your questions.
From India, Dombivali
Hi Preethaluwallia,
ESIC/PF Deductions:
ESIC (Employees' State Insurance): ESIC is applicable to employees earning less than Rs. 21,000 per month. Since your part-time helper earns INR 5000 a month, ESIC deductions may apply.
PF (Provident Fund): PF is applicable to employees earning less than Rs. 15,000 per month. In this case, your part-time helper's salary is below this threshold, so PF deductions may also apply.
Basic Salary Calculation: To calculate the Basic Salary, you'll typically need to consider a certain percentage of the total salary. Different organizations have different policies, but it's common for Basic Salary to be around 40-50% of the total salary.
Scenarios:
Scenario 1 (Full-time job elsewhere): If your part-time helper is already employed full-time elsewhere and is covered under PF/ESIC there, you may not need to make additional deductions. In such cases, it's important to maintain proper documentation and ensure compliance with labour laws.
Scenario 2 (Working at 3 different places): In a scenario where an employee is working at multiple places, all employers may be liable to contribute to PF/ESIC. However, there might be a ceiling on the contribution, and this would depend on the specific laws and regulations of your jurisdiction.
It's crucial to consult with a labour law expert or the relevant authorities to ensure compliance with the specific regulations of your location. Laws can vary by state and even by industry, so it's important to get advice that is tailored to your situation. They can guide you on the exact calculations, deductions, and compliance requirements
Thanks
From India, Bangalore
ESIC/PF Deductions:
ESIC (Employees' State Insurance): ESIC is applicable to employees earning less than Rs. 21,000 per month. Since your part-time helper earns INR 5000 a month, ESIC deductions may apply.
PF (Provident Fund): PF is applicable to employees earning less than Rs. 15,000 per month. In this case, your part-time helper's salary is below this threshold, so PF deductions may also apply.
Basic Salary Calculation: To calculate the Basic Salary, you'll typically need to consider a certain percentage of the total salary. Different organizations have different policies, but it's common for Basic Salary to be around 40-50% of the total salary.
Scenarios:
Scenario 1 (Full-time job elsewhere): If your part-time helper is already employed full-time elsewhere and is covered under PF/ESIC there, you may not need to make additional deductions. In such cases, it's important to maintain proper documentation and ensure compliance with labour laws.
Scenario 2 (Working at 3 different places): In a scenario where an employee is working at multiple places, all employers may be liable to contribute to PF/ESIC. However, there might be a ceiling on the contribution, and this would depend on the specific laws and regulations of your jurisdiction.
It's crucial to consult with a labour law expert or the relevant authorities to ensure compliance with the specific regulations of your location. Laws can vary by state and even by industry, so it's important to get advice that is tailored to your situation. They can guide you on the exact calculations, deductions, and compliance requirements
Thanks
From India, Bangalore
Dear Dr Raghunath,
Basic salary calculation is not different from organisation to organisation but it is very clearly defined in the Act itself. As such, the basic salary means the total salary and nothing else. The Contribution to PF is made on basic salary and Dearness allowance. But the basic salary shall include all allowances which are paid universally to all the employees in the company. As such, all components will attract PF but subject to Rs 15000. In respect of employees whose salary is around Rs 15000, the idea of 40-50% will not work but the entire salary should qualify for PF.
PF will apply to employees whose salary exceeds Rs 15000 also. It is excluded only to those employees who JOINS an establishment as his first time employment with a PF qualifying salary of more than Rs 15000. It shall also be excluded if an employee joins your establishment with a salary of more than Rs 15000 from an organisation which was not covered by EPF.
Your opinion that "....However, there might be a ceiling on the contribution, and this would depend on the specific laws and regulations of your jurisdiction.." Do we have separate laws for ESI and PF for different jurisdictions in India? Please explain.
From India, Kannur
Basic salary calculation is not different from organisation to organisation but it is very clearly defined in the Act itself. As such, the basic salary means the total salary and nothing else. The Contribution to PF is made on basic salary and Dearness allowance. But the basic salary shall include all allowances which are paid universally to all the employees in the company. As such, all components will attract PF but subject to Rs 15000. In respect of employees whose salary is around Rs 15000, the idea of 40-50% will not work but the entire salary should qualify for PF.
PF will apply to employees whose salary exceeds Rs 15000 also. It is excluded only to those employees who JOINS an establishment as his first time employment with a PF qualifying salary of more than Rs 15000. It shall also be excluded if an employee joins your establishment with a salary of more than Rs 15000 from an organisation which was not covered by EPF.
Your opinion that "....However, there might be a ceiling on the contribution, and this would depend on the specific laws and regulations of your jurisdiction.." Do we have separate laws for ESI and PF for different jurisdictions in India? Please explain.
From India, Kannur
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