New twist to row over Smriti Irani’s educational qualifications
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Dear Dr. Jogeshwar,
Education qualification is entirely different from knowledge and experience.
Earlier, a man named Mr. K Kamaraj, who was illiterate, became the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu and implemented Free Education for all children. To attract children from rural areas, he started the Noon Meal Scheme at schools. Before his time, education in Tamil Nadu was only available on a payment basis.
Even my father struggled a lot to pay his school fees. If the fees were not paid, the school authorities would remove the names from the rolls. Re-admission was only possible after the fees were paid, causing the students to fall behind in their studies and struggle to catch up for examinations.
Currently, up to the 12th Standard (10+2 system), free education is available in government schools. However, there is a perception that the standards are not up to par. In reality, students who receive their education from government schools may not achieve high marks, but they possess the skills to adapt and survive in various environments. On the other hand, students from private schools may struggle in different atmospheres due to lower tolerance levels.
Therefore, one cannot judge a person solely based on their qualifications. For instance, I hold five degrees, yet I have not reached a high level professionally because I focused solely on my studies. In contrast, those who studied in government schools balanced academics with other activities, enabling them to excel.
In conclusion, it is not a person's educational qualifications that matter, but rather their qualities, credentials, and knowledge that should be considered for any position.
From India, Kumbakonam
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Education qualification is entirely different from knowledge and experience.
Earlier, a man named Mr. K Kamaraj, who was illiterate, became the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu and implemented Free Education for all children. To attract children from rural areas, he started the Noon Meal Scheme at schools. Before his time, education in Tamil Nadu was only available on a payment basis.
Even my father struggled a lot to pay his school fees. If the fees were not paid, the school authorities would remove the names from the rolls. Re-admission was only possible after the fees were paid, causing the students to fall behind in their studies and struggle to catch up for examinations.
Currently, up to the 12th Standard (10+2 system), free education is available in government schools. However, there is a perception that the standards are not up to par. In reality, students who receive their education from government schools may not achieve high marks, but they possess the skills to adapt and survive in various environments. On the other hand, students from private schools may struggle in different atmospheres due to lower tolerance levels.
Therefore, one cannot judge a person solely based on their qualifications. For instance, I hold five degrees, yet I have not reached a high level professionally because I focused solely on my studies. In contrast, those who studied in government schools balanced academics with other activities, enabling them to excel.
In conclusion, it is not a person's educational qualifications that matter, but rather their qualities, credentials, and knowledge that should be considered for any position.
From India, Kumbakonam
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Thanks. It is just the beginning of the debate.Ultimately facts remaining the same interpretation can be anything as the interpreter pleases. Let us have consensus,if any.
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Even before she could acquaint herself with the functioning of her ministry, Union Human Resource Development Minister Smriti Irani has already run into trouble for non-matching affidavits regarding her academic qualifications and also with people questioning her ability to shoulder the new responsibility.
Read more at: [Do Modi's ministers need degrees? Why Smriti Irani must perform | Firstpost](http://www.firstpost.com/politics/does-modis-cabinet-need-degrees-why-smriti-irani-must-perform-1547383.html?utm_source=ref_article)
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Read more at: [Do Modi's ministers need degrees? Why Smriti Irani must perform | Firstpost](http://www.firstpost.com/politics/does-modis-cabinet-need-degrees-why-smriti-irani-must-perform-1547383.html?utm_source=ref_article)
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Dear Dr. Mahanta,
Good debate to start with. But does our political system demand such a debate? To start with, let's ask ourselves - Is this one remote instance when a leader has supposedly less qualification than the post desires? Does our system set down any such standards for our leaders? Have we not had leaders qualified beyond the call of duty or position or educational quantums? Let the leaders' actions qualify the PM's decision. She is ultimately the rudder steering the ship, and her stay in the political arena has shown her mettle. So, let her actions speak for her - at the end of the day, it is her team which has to show, advise, and follow the decisions after ample discussions are made. She will certainly get a qualified team to tackle old and oft-debated issues with a new perspective. No luck answers without perseverance, and credentials are built after perseverance over a period of time. Let God lend the new team in office his blessings to steer the country to new pinnacles.
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Good debate to start with. But does our political system demand such a debate? To start with, let's ask ourselves - Is this one remote instance when a leader has supposedly less qualification than the post desires? Does our system set down any such standards for our leaders? Have we not had leaders qualified beyond the call of duty or position or educational quantums? Let the leaders' actions qualify the PM's decision. She is ultimately the rudder steering the ship, and her stay in the political arena has shown her mettle. So, let her actions speak for her - at the end of the day, it is her team which has to show, advise, and follow the decisions after ample discussions are made. She will certainly get a qualified team to tackle old and oft-debated issues with a new perspective. No luck answers without perseverance, and credentials are built after perseverance over a period of time. Let God lend the new team in office his blessings to steer the country to new pinnacles.
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The issue is one of understanding and making decisions. While there may be competent bureaucrats to assist, ultimately, all decisions would largely benefit the businessmen hiding under the guise. What strikes me is that even for the smallest position in any organization, there is a process that involves around 3 interviews and background verification. However, in today's scenario, education is becoming increasingly expensive, and it seems to have turned into more of a business model to earn money. Consequently, the new HR Department would be entirely dependent on someone else!
This notion always brings to mind the saying - "Born intelligent, Education ruined..."
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This notion always brings to mind the saying - "Born intelligent, Education ruined..."
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After all what are her credentials to be HRD minister? Can any body elaborate?
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Dear Dr. Jogeshwar Mahanta,
It is not clear to me whether your concern is that the present HRD Minister of India is not even a graduate or she is totally incapable of holding that post compared to her predecessors. Let us analyze the issue apolitically. If your concern is her educational qualification, I am unable to think that a person with high academic profile alone can function effectively as HRD Minister. No doubt all our Ministers for education in the past were great scholars. But, what happened to our education system? As in the distant past, it is gradually made available only to a certain class, i.e., with a slight modification not based on caste but on CASH. The resultant effect is that those who have no education but money become the founders and patrons of Private educational institutions and Autonomous Universities and those who are highly educated go to work there as teachers for money. Even though the Govt collects separate educational cess from the taxpayer, the fund allocation to education is becoming thinner and thinner and the fees for higher education higher and higher. It is similar to collecting 10% of the value of your new vehicle as road tax and bleeding you white at every 60K.M by way of compulsory toll for road maintenance. If you think she is otherwise incapable, it is too early to judge I think.
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It is not clear to me whether your concern is that the present HRD Minister of India is not even a graduate or she is totally incapable of holding that post compared to her predecessors. Let us analyze the issue apolitically. If your concern is her educational qualification, I am unable to think that a person with high academic profile alone can function effectively as HRD Minister. No doubt all our Ministers for education in the past were great scholars. But, what happened to our education system? As in the distant past, it is gradually made available only to a certain class, i.e., with a slight modification not based on caste but on CASH. The resultant effect is that those who have no education but money become the founders and patrons of Private educational institutions and Autonomous Universities and those who are highly educated go to work there as teachers for money. Even though the Govt collects separate educational cess from the taxpayer, the fund allocation to education is becoming thinner and thinner and the fees for higher education higher and higher. It is similar to collecting 10% of the value of your new vehicle as road tax and bleeding you white at every 60K.M by way of compulsory toll for road maintenance. If you think she is otherwise incapable, it is too early to judge I think.
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Dear Dr. Mahanta,
Though opinions are diverse, I think that sweeping generalizations, such as "interpretation can be anything as the interpreter pleases," cannot make any headway in a liberal discussion on a specific issue like the one you have started. Every political leader should have the qualifications to effectively hold the portfolio allotted to him or her; this is a concern for all. However, the difference of opinion emerges in setting the parameters to assess the qualifications. We have witnessed in the past many stalwarts miserably failing in their ministerial roles due to their lack of situational management, for some reason or another, and subsequently getting sacked or reshuffled. In the annals of history, why are certain people called great kings, and their rule referred to as the golden era? Is it because they can be attributed with all the superlative adjectives for traits such as physical strength, bravery, military intelligence, eloquence, wisdom, and the like? It is only because of how harmoniously they organized the available resources at their disposal for the realization of their objectives. So, let's not be judgmental now.
Please let me know if you need any further assistance or clarification.
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Though opinions are diverse, I think that sweeping generalizations, such as "interpretation can be anything as the interpreter pleases," cannot make any headway in a liberal discussion on a specific issue like the one you have started. Every political leader should have the qualifications to effectively hold the portfolio allotted to him or her; this is a concern for all. However, the difference of opinion emerges in setting the parameters to assess the qualifications. We have witnessed in the past many stalwarts miserably failing in their ministerial roles due to their lack of situational management, for some reason or another, and subsequently getting sacked or reshuffled. In the annals of history, why are certain people called great kings, and their rule referred to as the golden era? Is it because they can be attributed with all the superlative adjectives for traits such as physical strength, bravery, military intelligence, eloquence, wisdom, and the like? It is only because of how harmoniously they organized the available resources at their disposal for the realization of their objectives. So, let's not be judgmental now.
Please let me know if you need any further assistance or clarification.
Kind regards,
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Hi everyone,
In my view, commitment and an honest approach are required for a minister to execute his/her job effectively in rendering service to the people. It is pertinent to say that many Doctorate Degree holders have floundered in the Indian political scenario, whereas, as mentioned in the above thread, many persons with no educational background like K. Kamaraj have done well. It is nice to have a good educational background, but it is not a must to deliver.
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In my view, commitment and an honest approach are required for a minister to execute his/her job effectively in rendering service to the people. It is pertinent to say that many Doctorate Degree holders have floundered in the Indian political scenario, whereas, as mentioned in the above thread, many persons with no educational background like K. Kamaraj have done well. It is nice to have a good educational background, but it is not a must to deliver.
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I do agree with you, Dr. Mahanta, that consensus hardly comes to view because there is no such thing as 'consensus' in reality as the group gets larger and larger. Knowingly or unknowingly, we automatically get trapped into Aristotelian logic based on the principle of dualism, and we tend to blissfully refute the existence of a third alternative. Particularly in issues like the one we are discussing, what actually surfaces is 'false consensus'. The false consensus effect is a type of bias that makes the believer hold their viewpoint as the most common and appropriate, expecting others to feel the same way. No one is an exception.
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My stand is that, you should first categorized bureaucrats and politicians in different categories.
Bureaucrats: Highly qualified, trained and experienced (with time). They are assigned different positions and roles, based on their qualification, knowledge and skills. Yes, political affluence may be counted; however, it persistent in every field. Top bosses would like to have team, which understand him/her and he/she is confident about the team members. They are not accountable directly to public. They report/respond to the government only. “yatha raja (ministers) tatha praja (bureaucrats)”
Politicians: These are the elected public representatives, accountable to people directly (Atleast our system designed so). They depended on Bureaucrats to design/implement their plan (populist plans) to ensure that they can win next election too.
Politicians know the real problem and Bureaucrats know the solution for it. Politicians don’t need to be technically qualified same as businessman don’t have to concern about the technicalities. They are concerned about the policy and their effect on business/public. They hire resources to get plan implemented and to care of technicalities.
Farmers don’t necessarily need to goto Agricultural University, to do farming. There are many innovations used in day-to-day life, developed by persons who may not have seen the universities.
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Bureaucrats: Highly qualified, trained and experienced (with time). They are assigned different positions and roles, based on their qualification, knowledge and skills. Yes, political affluence may be counted; however, it persistent in every field. Top bosses would like to have team, which understand him/her and he/she is confident about the team members. They are not accountable directly to public. They report/respond to the government only. “yatha raja (ministers) tatha praja (bureaucrats)”
Politicians: These are the elected public representatives, accountable to people directly (Atleast our system designed so). They depended on Bureaucrats to design/implement their plan (populist plans) to ensure that they can win next election too.
Politicians know the real problem and Bureaucrats know the solution for it. Politicians don’t need to be technically qualified same as businessman don’t have to concern about the technicalities. They are concerned about the policy and their effect on business/public. They hire resources to get plan implemented and to care of technicalities.
Farmers don’t necessarily need to goto Agricultural University, to do farming. There are many innovations used in day-to-day life, developed by persons who may not have seen the universities.
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After all what are the credentials which make PM to choose some one (not necessarily an MP)as minister of a Ministry?
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As I mentioned in the case of bureaucrats, political influence does play a role, as is the case with ministers.
The UPA was influenced by regional parties, and everyone knows the criteria used by these parties for nominating someone for a ministerial post. Many times, they have considered caste/religion/region as criteria.
In the case of Smriti Irani, her dedication to accomplishing tasks seems to be one of her positive attributes. Many times, we are hesitant to take on a project, fearing failure and its potential negative effects on our profile. However, she has taken on responsibilities and contested from Chandni Chowk as well as Amethi, where everyone knew she would likely be defeated. Nevertheless, this move helped the BJP by portraying her as a serious contender and being confident of their victory.
Would you prefer to hire a driver for your children who is highly qualified and has various certifications, or someone whom you trust in both driving and taking care of your children? There are instances where qualifications and skills are necessary for hiring; however, a politician only needs to be a strong-willed person with logical thinking.
Ministers are the driving force of a government, and the PM always aims to have a team that can deliver (provided he has a choice). Raja was re-appointed even though Manmohan Singh did not want it, due to compulsion and a lack of strong will.
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The UPA was influenced by regional parties, and everyone knows the criteria used by these parties for nominating someone for a ministerial post. Many times, they have considered caste/religion/region as criteria.
In the case of Smriti Irani, her dedication to accomplishing tasks seems to be one of her positive attributes. Many times, we are hesitant to take on a project, fearing failure and its potential negative effects on our profile. However, she has taken on responsibilities and contested from Chandni Chowk as well as Amethi, where everyone knew she would likely be defeated. Nevertheless, this move helped the BJP by portraying her as a serious contender and being confident of their victory.
Would you prefer to hire a driver for your children who is highly qualified and has various certifications, or someone whom you trust in both driving and taking care of your children? There are instances where qualifications and skills are necessary for hiring; however, a politician only needs to be a strong-willed person with logical thinking.
Ministers are the driving force of a government, and the PM always aims to have a team that can deliver (provided he has a choice). Raja was re-appointed even though Manmohan Singh did not want it, due to compulsion and a lack of strong will.
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Politicians need to be only strong-willed individuals with logical thinking.
Attribution: https://www.citehr.com/495278-luck-c...#ixzz33XCHknn6
Is it so? Is this consensus on CiteHR? Is it not about loyalty and integrity?
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Attribution: https://www.citehr.com/495278-luck-c...#ixzz33XCHknn6
Is it so? Is this consensus on CiteHR? Is it not about loyalty and integrity?
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Really, it is an outstanding speech as it was delivered before an international audience. Addressing extemporaneously an international audience in a foreign language, flawlessly and fluently, complete with the marshalling of ideas and anecdotes befitting the subject matter, and a convincing presentation, requires a lot of communication skill. Thank you, Ragunathan!
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Thank you, Mr. Umakanthan, for your affirmative feedback. I hope other readers will also share their views.
As I was checking my previous posting, I found that a couple of inadvertent errors had crept in. The word "over" had been repeated twice. The last sentence should read, "...would have been there..."
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As I was checking my previous posting, I found that a couple of inadvertent errors had crept in. The word "over" had been repeated twice. The last sentence should read, "...would have been there..."
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Perhaps this will put to rest any qualms that were there in the beginning. V. Raghunathan
Please rejoice in the English translation of the 10th sloka from Shringara Shatakam of Bhartrihari: "There is no doubt that those great learned men have said the famous women are weak (abalaa) because of their stupidity. How can they be called weak when they conquer even Indra, etc., with their quick-moving pupils?"
Why has this wisdom not put to rest the "qualms" regarding women?
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Please rejoice in the English translation of the 10th sloka from Shringara Shatakam of Bhartrihari: "There is no doubt that those great learned men have said the famous women are weak (abalaa) because of their stupidity. How can they be called weak when they conquer even Indra, etc., with their quick-moving pupils?"
Why has this wisdom not put to rest the "qualms" regarding women?
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Dear Dr. Jogeshwar Mahanta,
My comment on putting to rest was with respect to the starting of this thread whether formal education is a MUST or otherwise for someone to be at the helm of affairs as an HRD Minister. Our HRD minister has clearly answered all her detractors with her captivating extempore speech. While many accolades are still pouring in, the doubts in the minds of many are now effectively addressed.
Your citing of a sloka brings out another dimension. In the last couple of centuries, learned men like Raja Ram Mohun Roy and Subramania Bharathiyar (there may be many; at this instance, I could recall only two names) have made immense contributions to the upliftment of women in India. Mrs. Smriti Irani gave a keynote speech on the empowerment of women. In that speech, she makes a statement that women would want to be heard.
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My comment on putting to rest was with respect to the starting of this thread whether formal education is a MUST or otherwise for someone to be at the helm of affairs as an HRD Minister. Our HRD minister has clearly answered all her detractors with her captivating extempore speech. While many accolades are still pouring in, the doubts in the minds of many are now effectively addressed.
Your citing of a sloka brings out another dimension. In the last couple of centuries, learned men like Raja Ram Mohun Roy and Subramania Bharathiyar (there may be many; at this instance, I could recall only two names) have made immense contributions to the upliftment of women in India. Mrs. Smriti Irani gave a keynote speech on the empowerment of women. In that speech, she makes a statement that women would want to be heard.
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And now, in supersession of Bhartrihari's wisdom, the Women's Reservation Bill will be passed, which has been pending for the last 4 years due to a lack of consensus. The ruling party now has the majority and a 'whip' in its hand, needing no consensus to pass a law.
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