Hi,
Sorry to say, but it is sad to know that such things happen in offices. Just because the seniors want some entertainment, you can't do this to your subordinates. We all know such things are known as ragging in colleges, which has been banned by law. How can it be carried out in any organization? I hope the HR takes up this matter with the concerned department and puts a stop to it immediately.
Please remember, if this is reported to the directors of the firm, then the seniors could also lose their jobs. As Halicia rightly pointed out, we are not dealing with animals but human beings. Agree, discipline is required but not in this manner. If this is not stopped, then tomorrow, in the name of discipline, people will do anything they wish. A person could take legal action against the organization for mental harassment. So, please tell the concerned persons to behave maturely in the organization.
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Anita
From India, Mumbai
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134Sorry to say, but it is sad to know that such things happen in offices. Just because the seniors want some entertainment, you can't do this to your subordinates. We all know such things are known as ragging in colleges, which has been banned by law. How can it be carried out in any organization? I hope the HR takes up this matter with the concerned department and puts a stop to it immediately.
Please remember, if this is reported to the directors of the firm, then the seniors could also lose their jobs. As Halicia rightly pointed out, we are not dealing with animals but human beings. Agree, discipline is required but not in this manner. If this is not stopped, then tomorrow, in the name of discipline, people will do anything they wish. A person could take legal action against the organization for mental harassment. So, please tell the concerned persons to behave maturely in the organization.
Regards,
Anita
From India, Mumbai
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In my view, the discussion has taken a very good start, but where this thread is heading towards. As per the policy, rules, and regulations, every company will draft its working hours according to the standards of labor laws applicable in their states. Every employee should attend on time. However, if they regularly attend late, then the prescribed punishment is justified. For example, if we schedule an appointment for 10 o'clock and visit the employee at 10:30, what credibility will be there before that client? Not only the client but also our working hours stipulate the same nature.
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@ Dinesh V Divekar: "What I suggest is to maintain records of late-coming as well as "song and dance" punishment."
What planet did you come from? This is why I choose to be self-employed. This mentality is a call centre one, it is not only immature and cruel but soul-destroying and embarrassing to young people. If someone is late, they can make it up; if they repeat it regularly, either fire them or if they are a great performer, change their hours. Treat people with respect, not like monkeys in a circus. That's another story for a different blog!
From Australia, Newport
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What planet did you come from? This is why I choose to be self-employed. This mentality is a call centre one, it is not only immature and cruel but soul-destroying and embarrassing to young people. If someone is late, they can make it up; if they repeat it regularly, either fire them or if they are a great performer, change their hours. Treat people with respect, not like monkeys in a circus. That's another story for a different blog!
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The matters pointed out in your sentences are totally unjustifiable. It is only a cultural violation and nothing more. The HR Department will be considered as a fool's desk. Never do or even think of such unethical practices.
From India, Pune
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From India, Pune
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In case of late attendance, no employer or supervisor can punish without giving proper opportunity or written notice.
As a consultant, I advise against awarding such funny and illegal punishment.
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From India, Chennai
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As a consultant, I advise against awarding such funny and illegal punishment.
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The supervisor's unwarranted and rather overzealous punishment of asking the late-coming employee to dance at the workplace speaks of his, i.e., supervisor's, nasty and perverted bent of mind. He has absolutely no business whatsoever to sadistically play with the self-esteem of an employee in the disguise of enforcing discipline. Yes! On the contrary, the supervisor himself should be dealt with firmly for polluting and smearing the culture of the company with such foul faculties of sheer arrogance and low intellect.
I am sure this major functional aberration of the erring supervisor can be taken care of with an intellectual bashing during a counseling session for him, i.e., the supervisor, by a deft and suitable HR functionary.
As regards the late-coming employee, there are certain universally accepted/acceptable means and measures of disciplining/penalizing him, depending on the frequency and consequences of such breaches of punctuality cannons.
From India, Mumbai
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I am sure this major functional aberration of the erring supervisor can be taken care of with an intellectual bashing during a counseling session for him, i.e., the supervisor, by a deft and suitable HR functionary.
As regards the late-coming employee, there are certain universally accepted/acceptable means and measures of disciplining/penalizing him, depending on the frequency and consequences of such breaches of punctuality cannons.
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Dear Friend,
I am surprised, or rather shocked, to see this and also the response of some very learned members who have taken it lightly.
Rest assured, no one can force any staff to dance or sing without their wishes or out of a function. No law permits any owner, manager, or supervisor to force any of the staff to face such humiliation for coming late or even for not coming to the office. You are not working for a King or Queen in their Durbar; in a democratic country, this type of punishment is an insult. If any employee wishes, they can take the company to court and seek damages for the mental agony and insult caused by this type of order.
I feel we must condemn this and understand that each and every individual, irrespective of their designation or status in any office or company, has dignity. No one can force or compel any staff to act in a way that is not a dignified official act. And no employee can be forced to dance or sing unless these are part of their official duties. This punishment also shows the poor mentality of that supervisor.
I feel all the employees must resist this type of punishment and inform the management. In case the management is not listening, they can simply write a letter to the Labor Commissioner and see the results.
Please understand in life, never compromise on anything that is against your self-respect and dignity. Fight for justice, and you will win.
From India, Delhi
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I am surprised, or rather shocked, to see this and also the response of some very learned members who have taken it lightly.
Rest assured, no one can force any staff to dance or sing without their wishes or out of a function. No law permits any owner, manager, or supervisor to force any of the staff to face such humiliation for coming late or even for not coming to the office. You are not working for a King or Queen in their Durbar; in a democratic country, this type of punishment is an insult. If any employee wishes, they can take the company to court and seek damages for the mental agony and insult caused by this type of order.
I feel we must condemn this and understand that each and every individual, irrespective of their designation or status in any office or company, has dignity. No one can force or compel any staff to act in a way that is not a dignified official act. And no employee can be forced to dance or sing unless these are part of their official duties. This punishment also shows the poor mentality of that supervisor.
I feel all the employees must resist this type of punishment and inform the management. In case the management is not listening, they can simply write a letter to the Labor Commissioner and see the results.
Please understand in life, never compromise on anything that is against your self-respect and dignity. Fight for justice, and you will win.
From India, Delhi
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Hi,
This is a professional world, and dance and singing are not professional activities in office settings. Moreover, it may be perceived as a form of mental harassment. In a professional environment, it is important to adhere to professional standards and practices rather than engaging in dance and singing.
Thank you.
From India, Pune
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This is a professional world, and dance and singing are not professional activities in office settings. Moreover, it may be perceived as a form of mental harassment. In a professional environment, it is important to adhere to professional standards and practices rather than engaging in dance and singing.
Thank you.
From India, Pune
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Dear All,
This practice is a waste of organizational time and damages the organized structure. The best practice is to withhold the salary unless the employee is on time. If the issue persists, issue them a warning letter. If they continue to miss deadlines, termination may be necessary.
Thank you.
From India, Chandigarh
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This practice is a waste of organizational time and damages the organized structure. The best practice is to withhold the salary unless the employee is on time. If the issue persists, issue them a warning letter. If they continue to miss deadlines, termination may be necessary.
Thank you.
From India, Chandigarh
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Hi,
Daily, if one or two employees come late, and your supervisor asks them to entertain your staff by singing and dancing, then don't you think the precious time of other staff is wasted in watching the fun every day? Then all are to be punished!
Instead, try out different ways like:
1. Ask them to submit a handwritten letter to the management quoting the reason for late coming, and ensure it will not be repeated. By writing this, the habitual latecomers will be guilty of repeatedly writing the same.
2. When you collect reasons, please try to solve some issues like if some are late for not getting transport on time, encourage them to share vehicles with your staff and educate them about sharing vehicles saving time and cost. If there are valid reasons, escalate it to the management for resolution.
3. Other ways of punishing could be:
a. Collect Rs. 100 or 200 as a fine every day from latecomers and contribute it to charity at the end of the month.
b. Ask them to get coffee/tea/snacks for your staff.
c. Pay an attendance bonus for staff present on all working days and punctual, avoiding latecomers, absences, leaves, etc.
d. Leave deduction.
e. Loss of pay.
I am working for a school; we cannot be harsh to the teaching staff, so we mark a square box in red ink. They will lose 1 day leave/salary for every 3 red boxes. Also, we started encashing the balance CL. This has minimized latecoming.
From India, Bangalore
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Daily, if one or two employees come late, and your supervisor asks them to entertain your staff by singing and dancing, then don't you think the precious time of other staff is wasted in watching the fun every day? Then all are to be punished!
Instead, try out different ways like:
1. Ask them to submit a handwritten letter to the management quoting the reason for late coming, and ensure it will not be repeated. By writing this, the habitual latecomers will be guilty of repeatedly writing the same.
2. When you collect reasons, please try to solve some issues like if some are late for not getting transport on time, encourage them to share vehicles with your staff and educate them about sharing vehicles saving time and cost. If there are valid reasons, escalate it to the management for resolution.
3. Other ways of punishing could be:
a. Collect Rs. 100 or 200 as a fine every day from latecomers and contribute it to charity at the end of the month.
b. Ask them to get coffee/tea/snacks for your staff.
c. Pay an attendance bonus for staff present on all working days and punctual, avoiding latecomers, absences, leaves, etc.
d. Leave deduction.
e. Loss of pay.
I am working for a school; we cannot be harsh to the teaching staff, so we mark a square box in red ink. They will lose 1 day leave/salary for every 3 red boxes. Also, we started encashing the balance CL. This has minimized latecoming.
From India, Bangalore
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