Dear Seniors,
One of my friends is working as an HR Executive (2 years of experience) handling responsibilities such as PF, ESI, Payroll, Contract Labour, etc. Now, he has been offered a position as a Recruiter in a recruitment firm, and he is unsure whether to accept the offer or not. Your valuable thoughts on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
From India, Pune
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14One of my friends is working as an HR Executive (2 years of experience) handling responsibilities such as PF, ESI, Payroll, Contract Labour, etc. Now, he has been offered a position as a Recruiter in a recruitment firm, and he is unsure whether to accept the offer or not. Your valuable thoughts on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
From India, Pune
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Dear,
According to me, he should not accept this offer as it is quite a different profile from what he is doing now. It involves continuous telecalling and targets. He should either continue here or wait for a good opportunity in the HR profile.
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From India, New Delhi
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According to me, he should not accept this offer as it is quite a different profile from what he is doing now. It involves continuous telecalling and targets. He should either continue here or wait for a good opportunity in the HR profile.
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Respected Seniors,
I am working on a project on industrial relations. My objectives are:
1. To regulate production by minimizing industrial conflicts.
2. To improve worker strength with a view to solving their problems through mutual negotiations and consultations with the management.
I would like to request a questionnaire regarding this. Kindly share your valuable thoughts.
Gratitude,
Tanvi
From India, Bangalore
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I am working on a project on industrial relations. My objectives are:
1. To regulate production by minimizing industrial conflicts.
2. To improve worker strength with a view to solving their problems through mutual negotiations and consultations with the management.
I would like to request a questionnaire regarding this. Kindly share your valuable thoughts.
Gratitude,
Tanvi
From India, Bangalore
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They are two different skills: Payroll can lead to a career in compensation and benefits or industrial relations. Hiring is definitely an essential part of every HR manager's role, but whether this role adds value or not will be difficult to say.
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HR is quite a vast field including many areas like payroll, statutory compliance such as PF, ESI, bonus. Recruitment is also a part of it, but if your friend is only focusing on recruitment, he is limiting his work profile, which won't help much in career growth. I don't think he should leave the current job.
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Let's say this person starts working for a consultancy. With years of experience, he/she will rise to be a "vertical head." Salaries are high for really good vertical heads (>2 crores per annum).
There could be a tangent in this career: after 2-3 years of hard work, a person with good networking and knowledge of a sector can find a job as a "hiring manager" in a corporate in the same sector. Salaries can range from as low as 35k to 2 lacs, depending on the candidate/company.
In the long run, qualifying for senior positions will be a herculean task. The person will have to study a lot and understand all aspects of HR, be it compensation and benefits, talent development, etc.
Since the person already has 2 years of experience handling payroll/labour, they should acquire in-depth knowledge of various labor laws/pick up a bigger establishment where the scope for learning is more. Salaries in Industrial Relations are good (ranging from 50k to 2 lacs per month for mid-management).
Another route is acquiring certifications in Compensation and Benefits from Hay Group, CAMI, or another reputable vendor. At the bottom, we have payroll managers getting a salary of 6-12 lacs per annum. For a compensation and benefits manager, it's 12-13 lacs upwards.
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There could be a tangent in this career: after 2-3 years of hard work, a person with good networking and knowledge of a sector can find a job as a "hiring manager" in a corporate in the same sector. Salaries can range from as low as 35k to 2 lacs, depending on the candidate/company.
In the long run, qualifying for senior positions will be a herculean task. The person will have to study a lot and understand all aspects of HR, be it compensation and benefits, talent development, etc.
Since the person already has 2 years of experience handling payroll/labour, they should acquire in-depth knowledge of various labor laws/pick up a bigger establishment where the scope for learning is more. Salaries in Industrial Relations are good (ranging from 50k to 2 lacs per month for mid-management).
Another route is acquiring certifications in Compensation and Benefits from Hay Group, CAMI, or another reputable vendor. At the bottom, we have payroll managers getting a salary of 6-12 lacs per annum. For a compensation and benefits manager, it's 12-13 lacs upwards.
From India, Delhi
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Dear All,
I have a query similar to this one. Currently, I have been working for a manufacturing firm for one year. I have been responsible for tasks such as Attendance Monitoring, PF, ESIC, Recruitment, Maintaining Employee Personnel Records, Payroll, and Opening Salary Accounts for New Joiners. Now, what should I do if I come across a profile that involves Recruitment, Induction, Training and Development, and Performance Appraisal in a manufacturing firm? Should I consider it?
Please reply.
Regards,
Ronnie
From India, Nagpur
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I have a query similar to this one. Currently, I have been working for a manufacturing firm for one year. I have been responsible for tasks such as Attendance Monitoring, PF, ESIC, Recruitment, Maintaining Employee Personnel Records, Payroll, and Opening Salary Accounts for New Joiners. Now, what should I do if I come across a profile that involves Recruitment, Induction, Training and Development, and Performance Appraisal in a manufacturing firm? Should I consider it?
Please reply.
Regards,
Ronnie
From India, Nagpur
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hi ronnie, an year is too short a period to switch .. have you learnt everything that could be learnt in the current setup, you will need to brief me on this ... then i can advise...
From India, Delhi
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From India, Delhi
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There is no question of our suggestion in this. Everyone wants to pursue his/her career in a particular field. It depends on the individual. Someone may aspire to be engaged in the IR field, while the other may like to be a trainer. While some other may would like to become a Payroll processing in charge.
This needs to be decided by the individual, not you and I. Whatever interests him, whatever field he thinks that he would be better suited for, he decides accordingly.
Balaji
From India, Madras
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This needs to be decided by the individual, not you and I. Whatever interests him, whatever field he thinks that he would be better suited for, he decides accordingly.
Balaji
From India, Madras
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Dear Ronnie,
HR is a vast area. Whatever work you do adds to your knowledge and experience. A person aspiring for career growth has to acquire multifarious experience in the department to be able to oversee various functions when required. In the private sector, the concept of changing the profile of personnel in all areas except finance is gaining traction. I hold the view that you should consider making a change.
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S.K. Johri
From India, Delhi
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HR is a vast area. Whatever work you do adds to your knowledge and experience. A person aspiring for career growth has to acquire multifarious experience in the department to be able to oversee various functions when required. In the private sector, the concept of changing the profile of personnel in all areas except finance is gaining traction. I hold the view that you should consider making a change.
Regards,
S.K. Johri
From India, Delhi
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Once again, people are confusing. I am asking a question. Your daughter or son wants to pursue his/her education in Engineering. Will you recommend him/her to go for Arts? Or someone wants to pursue a career in computer science and engineering, will you recommend him for taking commerce subject. It totally depends on the individual's interest.
You may discuss the opportunities and challenges available in a particular domain but cannot recommend that he/she must pursue such and such a field.
That is exactly what is happening here. And that is the reason why I already communicated that it is the individual's desire what he wants to be. Ask him what he wants to be after 15-20 years from today?
When I asked this question in the interview to many candidates, they were clueless. Someone said, he wants to be in a GOOD POSITION; someone said, must draw a good salary, etc., whereas some others said, want to be settled down in life.
But no one said in my experience (for the last 22-23 years of experience), "15-20 years from today I want to be General Manager - HR", "I want to be Vice President - Marketing", or "I want to become an entrepreneur", etc.
This means they do not have any goal. People without a goal can be compared to a boat without a drift. When you sail a boat without drift, you will be going along with the boat, whatever way the current flows, whatever side the wind blows; you cannot have any control.
Having a drift in your hand will empower you to sail the boat in the direction you want. Having a goal is just that.
So, one has to have a desire and goal for that instead of asking (or suggesting) what he should do. He has to decide as to WHAT HE WANTS TO DO and not OTHERS WANT HIM TO DO.
Balaji
From India, Madras
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You may discuss the opportunities and challenges available in a particular domain but cannot recommend that he/she must pursue such and such a field.
That is exactly what is happening here. And that is the reason why I already communicated that it is the individual's desire what he wants to be. Ask him what he wants to be after 15-20 years from today?
When I asked this question in the interview to many candidates, they were clueless. Someone said, he wants to be in a GOOD POSITION; someone said, must draw a good salary, etc., whereas some others said, want to be settled down in life.
But no one said in my experience (for the last 22-23 years of experience), "15-20 years from today I want to be General Manager - HR", "I want to be Vice President - Marketing", or "I want to become an entrepreneur", etc.
This means they do not have any goal. People without a goal can be compared to a boat without a drift. When you sail a boat without drift, you will be going along with the boat, whatever way the current flows, whatever side the wind blows; you cannot have any control.
Having a drift in your hand will empower you to sail the boat in the direction you want. Having a goal is just that.
So, one has to have a desire and goal for that instead of asking (or suggesting) what he should do. He has to decide as to WHAT HE WANTS TO DO and not OTHERS WANT HIM TO DO.
Balaji
From India, Madras
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Dear All,
I have a query similar to the above. I have 5 years and 6 months of experience in an HR generalist profile where I used to handle recruitment through consultant coordination. However, my core experience lies in the generalist profile only.
Now, I have received an opportunity from a recruitment firm. So, kindly advise, should I accept the offer?
Thank you.
From India, Delhi
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I have a query similar to the above. I have 5 years and 6 months of experience in an HR generalist profile where I used to handle recruitment through consultant coordination. However, my core experience lies in the generalist profile only.
Now, I have received an opportunity from a recruitment firm. So, kindly advise, should I accept the offer?
Thank you.
From India, Delhi
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Wow, thank you very much, guys, for such a great response.
Dear Surya,
I agree with you; I didn't learn everything related to my current profile as there are so many things in legal compliances. But the thing is that where I'm working at present, there is no proper reporting structure, and no one is there to guide me. I am not blaming anyone here, but the HR practices followed here are very traditional. Hence, more than half of the things I have learned on my own by asking the consultants and my HR colleagues. I even tried convincing my boss to appoint some senior person or some Head of HR, but that was useless.
Thank you very much, Surya, Sir. I'll always keep in touch with you.
Regards,
Ronnie Francis
From India, Nagpur
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Dear Surya,
I agree with you; I didn't learn everything related to my current profile as there are so many things in legal compliances. But the thing is that where I'm working at present, there is no proper reporting structure, and no one is there to guide me. I am not blaming anyone here, but the HR practices followed here are very traditional. Hence, more than half of the things I have learned on my own by asking the consultants and my HR colleagues. I even tried convincing my boss to appoint some senior person or some Head of HR, but that was useless.
Thank you very much, Surya, Sir. I'll always keep in touch with you.
Regards,
Ronnie Francis
From India, Nagpur
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Dear SK Johri,
First of all, thank you very much for contributing to my query. As you mentioned that we need to gain experience in all aspects of HR, I also share the same thought and am considering switching my job if selected. However, as I am not as experienced as you guys, I thought I should post this query here. I am eagerly awaiting Surya Sir's reply.
Thanks and Regards,
Ronnie Francis
From India, Nagpur
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First of all, thank you very much for contributing to my query. As you mentioned that we need to gain experience in all aspects of HR, I also share the same thought and am considering switching my job if selected. However, as I am not as experienced as you guys, I thought I should post this query here. I am eagerly awaiting Surya Sir's reply.
Thanks and Regards,
Ronnie Francis
From India, Nagpur
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Dear Balaji,
Thanks for elaborating so much and making me understand regarding my query. Frankly speaking, my interest is in IR and Payroll. However, it is so vast that I am not able to answer half of the questions during my interviews. This has happened a couple of times when I faced interviews, and even the openings in IR and Payroll are fewer compared to the recruitment profile.
Thanks and Regards,
Ronnie Francis
From India, Nagpur
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Thanks for elaborating so much and making me understand regarding my query. Frankly speaking, my interest is in IR and Payroll. However, it is so vast that I am not able to answer half of the questions during my interviews. This has happened a couple of times when I faced interviews, and even the openings in IR and Payroll are fewer compared to the recruitment profile.
Thanks and Regards,
Ronnie Francis
From India, Nagpur
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Hi Ronnie,
From your answer, I understand your situation better. There is one good thing which I noticed in your answer: you had the patience to work hard and learn from elsewhere while being stuck in a non-conducive climate. The next step, while looking for another break, is to ask the interviewer what all you will be learning in the next 1/2/3 years. Take notes and define every single skill in-depth and breadth. It's a perfectly valid question; you will get a realistic picture. Next, compare this with your current skill sets (both in depth and breadth) and decide. If you need help, feel free to take my help anytime.
From India, Delhi
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From your answer, I understand your situation better. There is one good thing which I noticed in your answer: you had the patience to work hard and learn from elsewhere while being stuck in a non-conducive climate. The next step, while looking for another break, is to ask the interviewer what all you will be learning in the next 1/2/3 years. Take notes and define every single skill in-depth and breadth. It's a perfectly valid question; you will get a realistic picture. Next, compare this with your current skill sets (both in depth and breadth) and decide. If you need help, feel free to take my help anytime.
From India, Delhi
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Dear Surya Sir,
Thank you so much for appreciating me and guiding me. And yes, of course, from now onwards, if I need any kind of help related to my job, I'll surely ask you without any hesitation.
Thanks and Regards,
Ronnie Francis
From India, Nagpur
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Thank you so much for appreciating me and guiding me. And yes, of course, from now onwards, if I need any kind of help related to my job, I'll surely ask you without any hesitation.
Thanks and Regards,
Ronnie Francis
From India, Nagpur
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Mr. Ronnie,
This is exactly what I am saying. If your interest is in IR, try to learn IR activities. Go through the ID Act, go through the procedures involved in disciplinary proceedings, learn the intricacies of collective bargaining, learn the etiquettes of handling union bearers. Learn more and more about the procedures and other statutes related to IR.
I had one chap who came to me from an institute. He wanted to do a project in "Finance". That too, in Finance, specifically "Credit control and rating" (if I remember correctly). He approached me like this.
"Sir, I am coming from such and such college. As part of my curriculum, I am required to do a project. I have a letter issued by my Principal certifying me as a bonafide student; Can you please help me by providing a project opportunity in your organization? Project means, I want specifically in Finance, that too in the above topic; please do not tell me to do a project in another area. Because my interest is only "Credit control and rating". I have no recommendation letter from any significant person in the industry. I am approaching you for this, you tell me whether you can provide me a project opportunity; if yes, then it must be in this field, nothing else. If you cannot provide, I have no issue, I will knock on another door until I get my project opportunity of my taste."
He was very specific and clear in his thinking. (We were not able to provide him an opportunity; it is a different issue). So one has to have clear thinking about what he wants to do.
If you are genuinely interested in the area you specified, you must pursue your career in that direction only. Keep knocking on the door (as in the above case). Maybe opportunities are scarce, but doing a job that is of no interest or less interest is meaningless. You will face inconsistency between what you aspire to be and what you actually become.
Thanks,
Balaji
From India, Madras
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This is exactly what I am saying. If your interest is in IR, try to learn IR activities. Go through the ID Act, go through the procedures involved in disciplinary proceedings, learn the intricacies of collective bargaining, learn the etiquettes of handling union bearers. Learn more and more about the procedures and other statutes related to IR.
I had one chap who came to me from an institute. He wanted to do a project in "Finance". That too, in Finance, specifically "Credit control and rating" (if I remember correctly). He approached me like this.
"Sir, I am coming from such and such college. As part of my curriculum, I am required to do a project. I have a letter issued by my Principal certifying me as a bonafide student; Can you please help me by providing a project opportunity in your organization? Project means, I want specifically in Finance, that too in the above topic; please do not tell me to do a project in another area. Because my interest is only "Credit control and rating". I have no recommendation letter from any significant person in the industry. I am approaching you for this, you tell me whether you can provide me a project opportunity; if yes, then it must be in this field, nothing else. If you cannot provide, I have no issue, I will knock on another door until I get my project opportunity of my taste."
He was very specific and clear in his thinking. (We were not able to provide him an opportunity; it is a different issue). So one has to have clear thinking about what he wants to do.
If you are genuinely interested in the area you specified, you must pursue your career in that direction only. Keep knocking on the door (as in the above case). Maybe opportunities are scarce, but doing a job that is of no interest or less interest is meaningless. You will face inconsistency between what you aspire to be and what you actually become.
Thanks,
Balaji
From India, Madras
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Dear Balaji,
Thank you very much for helping me understand with such a brief explanation. As you said, I will try my best to search for a job in the same field, i.e., Statutory compliances, and become a master in it.
I hope I get a new opportunity soon.
Thanks and Regards,
Ronnie Francis
From India, Nagpur
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Thank you very much for helping me understand with such a brief explanation. As you said, I will try my best to search for a job in the same field, i.e., Statutory compliances, and become a master in it.
I hope I get a new opportunity soon.
Thanks and Regards,
Ronnie Francis
From India, Nagpur
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