Is the employee definition the same in EPF and ESI law? Whether a person covered under ESI is also covered under EPF or vice versa?

For example, if an individual has a salary of 14,000 and the employer deducts ESI but not EPF, is this incorrect?

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ESI and EPF are two different schemes, and have no correlation! Have you tried inquiring with your employer on why they are not deducting PF?
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if the establishment is covered under EPF act then they have to deduct. or the employee may have exceeded 57 yrs of age

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Hi Rahul, thanks for reply. No the employer has no explanation, may be it is just their old practice and nobody questioned it.
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I am asking from practical viewpoint. Whether one person covered under ESI is practically covered under PF also.
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Glidor
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if the employee is over 57 yrs of age, then can not be added as EPF member

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As there is new shram suvidha portal for combined ESI & EPF return. Does this mean that if one employee is covered under one Act is theoretically covered under other Act also?
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@manish, be practical. There may be employees earning over 21,000/- on average monthly who are excluded from ESIC. Similarly, there would be many who are over 58 and do not have any UAN, so they may get excluded from EPF. Shram Suvidha is a register and return submission portal; it does not enforce the rules and laws.

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Thank you Sharma Ji.

My bad, I couldn't explain it. I meant, could there be a situation where a person is an "employee" as per ESI law but not as per EPF law or vice versa? Ignore the salary limit or if he's getting 12000 p.m.

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@Manish if the employee has no previous EPF a/c / UAN and have exceeded 58 yrs of age, then EPF does not comes to picture, only ESIC is applicable

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