An employee joins an organization say A, after working for a month left and joined say B. After working there for a week say again joined back A.
He left A, joined B and again rejoined A in the month of November. A adjusted it internally showing leave and gave him full month's salary for november and deduct and deposit pf accordingly. He received salary for December as well from A and A deducted and deposited the pf accordingly for this month also. Now B wants to give salary for a week that he worked with them in November and they will deduct and deposit the pf for those 7 days accordingly to the same UAN.
My queries are as follows.
Can B link the Establishment code with the Uan of the employee now in January to give pf for 7 days in November, please note meanwhile A already deposited two more ecr- one for november, one for December. And B hasn't linked it yet. but can they do it now? If yes then B has to show it backdated means he has to show that the employee joined in November and today it's January, is it possible because the employee is in continuous employment with A.?
And if B can link it even now how A will come to know about this?
From India, Kolkata
1He left A, joined B and again rejoined A in the month of November. A adjusted it internally showing leave and gave him full month's salary for november and deduct and deposit pf accordingly. He received salary for December as well from A and A deducted and deposited the pf accordingly for this month also. Now B wants to give salary for a week that he worked with them in November and they will deduct and deposit the pf for those 7 days accordingly to the same UAN.
My queries are as follows.
Can B link the Establishment code with the Uan of the employee now in January to give pf for 7 days in November, please note meanwhile A already deposited two more ecr- one for november, one for December. And B hasn't linked it yet. but can they do it now? If yes then B has to show it backdated means he has to show that the employee joined in November and today it's January, is it possible because the employee is in continuous employment with A.?
And if B can link it even now how A will come to know about this?
From India, Kolkata
while making frequent change of employers, one must have to sure that his account (UAN) is fully KYC compliment otherwise department will treat each joining as separate identity and would not allow transfer / clubbing
The account what we have found out is kyc compliant. But as stated above is this possible?
Can B link it now backdated (showing date of joining November) when the guy is in continuous employment with with A. And if yes they can then come does A will know about that?
Looking forward to have some ideas from you
From India, Kolkata
Can B link it now backdated (showing date of joining November) when the guy is in continuous employment with with A. And if yes they can then come does A will know about that?
Looking forward to have some ideas from you
From India, Kolkata
as soon as the person joins an establishment he or she has to link his UAN with present establishment, ( this is the thumb rule of new system)
if the second employer add him in january,2017, then he will get shifted to second employer on the seeding day, with effect from the date display as DOJ
nov ECR was old system and if he worked in nov, then a seperate unique UAN was already generated, just ask to make that 2nd UAN KYC compliant
if the second employer add him in january,2017, then he will get shifted to second employer on the seeding day, with effect from the date display as DOJ
nov ECR was old system and if he worked in nov, then a seperate unique UAN was already generated, just ask to make that 2nd UAN KYC compliant
Sir, with due respect I guess you didn't understand what I meant to say. Company A has already linked the pf account no (old system) with the UAN that the employee has given to them at the time of joining in October. Subsequently they have deposited amount for October, November and December.
Company B where the employee worked for 7 days in November hasn't linked it yet due to some f&f problem. Now since the problem is resolved they are going ahead with f&f and linking with uan.
As per my understanding what you have told is that B can link it backdated.
But where does this 2nd UAN come from? It's all about one Uan only. Now for november A has already submitted ecr, B is also going to link it and upload ecr for the same month in the same UAN.
And once B links it now wef November how come A will come to know about this and how come A will give the next month ecr because he's still in employment with A only whereas the Uan will show that he's in employment with B.
Kindly suggest.
From India, Kolkata
Company B where the employee worked for 7 days in November hasn't linked it yet due to some f&f problem. Now since the problem is resolved they are going ahead with f&f and linking with uan.
As per my understanding what you have told is that B can link it backdated.
But where does this 2nd UAN come from? It's all about one Uan only. Now for november A has already submitted ecr, B is also going to link it and upload ecr for the same month in the same UAN.
And once B links it now wef November how come A will come to know about this and how come A will give the next month ecr because he's still in employment with A only whereas the Uan will show that he's in employment with B.
Kindly suggest.
From India, Kolkata
nov payment was due by 15 dec 2016, and the old portal was operative upto 17th december 18.30 hrs , if the system is followed properly then the employee has got a NEW uan for company B
under the present UAN based system under ECR 2.0 ............... linking on payment day is not permitted simply, it will detach the employee from the present company
under the present UAN based system under ECR 2.0 ............... linking on payment day is not permitted simply, it will detach the employee from the present company
But sir, in old system we had to upload ecr first and then only we used to generate new or link with existing uan. So when the f&f was not finalized we didn't link it in November or till 15th Desember. We thought once this f&f gets resolved we'll link it and deposit it.
So now we from company B are linking it wef November as the f&f is resolved. And Uan is same.
So once we link it the first employment (A) will automatically gets detached? And from next month onwards A will not be able to upload ecr for that employee?
From India, Kolkata
So now we from company B are linking it wef November as the f&f is resolved. And Uan is same.
So once we link it the first employment (A) will automatically gets detached? And from next month onwards A will not be able to upload ecr for that employee?
From India, Kolkata
simply reply the contribution was paid in old system ECR or not ?
if yes, then there is a new UAN generated, and amount of that new UAN can be transferred to old one .after some time
if NO,
then linking of Nov employee in january will simply withdraw him from his present establishment
if yes, then there is a new UAN generated, and amount of that new UAN can be transferred to old one .after some time
if NO,
then linking of Nov employee in january will simply withdraw him from his present establishment
F&F settlement has no relation with ESIC /EPF contributions,
on the close of last day of month, the salary / wages is payable to employee, and contribution get due, it does not matter that employee never came to get his salary or disappeared or came after few months, but the employer has to submit the contributions timely, ignoring all these facts,
on the close of last day of month, the salary / wages is payable to employee, and contribution get due, it does not matter that employee never came to get his salary or disappeared or came after few months, but the employer has to submit the contributions timely, ignoring all these facts,
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