Hello, folks. Please let me know what options men have to protect themselves from female mental harassment in the workplace. Why do people think that women are innocent? Why do people have too much sympathy for women? Why do men and women support only females? The perception is that men are stronger than women. Women can carry a baby for 9 months and endure the pain of childbirth, showing that women are more powerful than men. There is a concern about the misuse of laws for women's protection. Why is there no helpline for men when they are mentally harassed by women? Please share your experiences and ideas on how to deal with women at home and in the workplace. Topics to consider include 'The Sexual Harassment of Women at Workplace,' 'The Dowry Prohibition,' 'The Eve-Teasing,' 'Sexual Harassment at Workplace,' 'Gender Inequality.' It is seen as an achievement for a woman to insult a man, and everyone feels proud of it rather than punishing her.
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please make a law on Protection of men from Domestic Violence by mental harassment by women
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It is interesting to note that a woman is not only speaking in favor of men but has initiated the discussion herself. As per my knowledge, even the Indian judiciary has acknowledged harassment by men against women (especially in a marriage) and has made some room for this possibility. I am not aware of laws protecting men from women (or from other men, too!) at the workplace.
Jennifer, your topic reminds me of Sapna Bhavnani's recent quote on Facebook. She is a celebrity and a socialite. It's not verbatim, but she said that anybody can abuse and harass anybody. The motive is to stop violence against everyone.
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Jennifer, your topic reminds me of Sapna Bhavnani's recent quote on Facebook. She is a celebrity and a socialite. It's not verbatim, but she said that anybody can abuse and harass anybody. The motive is to stop violence against everyone.
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I don't know if the thread starter is male or female. Let me opine.
Biologically, men are stronger than women in terms of muscle mass and strength. Women are considered the weaker sex. Favor is always shown to weaker individuals.
Your point about women carrying a baby for 9 months is related to pain endurance rather than strength. They tend to have higher pain endurance than men.
Apart from a few isolated incidents of females harassing males, more incidents are reported to be the opposite. In those incidents you mentioned, there were no physical injuries reported for the men involved; it may have been just teasing.
Therefore, in my opinion, supporting females with anti-harassment policies is justified.
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Biologically, men are stronger than women in terms of muscle mass and strength. Women are considered the weaker sex. Favor is always shown to weaker individuals.
Your point about women carrying a baby for 9 months is related to pain endurance rather than strength. They tend to have higher pain endurance than men.
Apart from a few isolated incidents of females harassing males, more incidents are reported to be the opposite. In those incidents you mentioned, there were no physical injuries reported for the men involved; it may have been just teasing.
Therefore, in my opinion, supporting females with anti-harassment policies is justified.
Pon, Chennai
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Hello Jennifer Colosimo,
I am with Aditya's remarks: "It is interesting to note that a woman is not only speaking in favor of men but has initiated the discussion herself."
Coming to the issue you raised, I think there's one aspect of human nature that everyone seems to be missing out. At the end of the day, every male and female is a human being. And any and every law/rule/idea/act/opportunity that can be 'used' can also be 'misused/abused.' The gender isn't and shouldn't be the focus.
If one were to go back a few years into Indian history, we can see how laws promulgated to handle specific issues, like POTA, COFEPOSA, 498A, DVA, the License Raj in vogue till the 1990s, the acts that give specific rights/privileges to government officials, etc., have been both of great use to the target audience/expected victims and have also led to their being misused by some rotten apples among those for whom that very law was meant to protect.
In our Indian context, it's quite easy to 'frame' someone, I guess. All one needs to do is to file a case—criminal or civil—and let the law take its course, which could take years. So until then, the 'framed person' would face the ignominy of the consequences of the situation. Whether the complaint was right or wrong in the first place will be decided in the court after years. And to add to this situation, the latest fad is the "Trial by Media," though the media has been in the forefront in exposing many a misdemeanor.
There are two aspects of Indian laws that are very different and totally inadequate vis-a-vis the laws of the USA—1] Factoring in the basic aspect of human behavior that a law can be misused and incorporating into the law the consequences of any such misuse/abuse, sort of addressing the 'what if abused/misused?' scenario to a sufficient level/scale. The punishments for the complainant are far less severe than for an accused—so the disincentive for a false/wrong complaint is not very high or, to put it another way, the incentive to misuse/abuse still remains. 2] The balanced approach—If one were to see the scope of our Indian laws, when something drastic happens, the action swings from one end of the pendulum to the other extreme. And in the process, the scope for another fresh set of unwanted and avoidable situations is automatically built into the solution for the current problem.
@Pon—With respect to your remarks "There was no physical injury reported to men...," I think you have missed out on the whole point of the repercussions on any victim, male or female, in such situations. Ask any psychologist, and he/she will tell you that 70-80% of the trauma the victims suffer from in sexual harassment/rape situations is emotional/mental rather than physical. And again, emotional/mental trauma takes years—yes, I am not exaggerating—to heal. And if the victim is a child, it could extend through his/her whole adult lifespan (just check with a Child Psychologist), meaning lifelong trauma.
At least, that's my take on the subject.
Regards,
TS
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I am with Aditya's remarks: "It is interesting to note that a woman is not only speaking in favor of men but has initiated the discussion herself."
Coming to the issue you raised, I think there's one aspect of human nature that everyone seems to be missing out. At the end of the day, every male and female is a human being. And any and every law/rule/idea/act/opportunity that can be 'used' can also be 'misused/abused.' The gender isn't and shouldn't be the focus.
If one were to go back a few years into Indian history, we can see how laws promulgated to handle specific issues, like POTA, COFEPOSA, 498A, DVA, the License Raj in vogue till the 1990s, the acts that give specific rights/privileges to government officials, etc., have been both of great use to the target audience/expected victims and have also led to their being misused by some rotten apples among those for whom that very law was meant to protect.
In our Indian context, it's quite easy to 'frame' someone, I guess. All one needs to do is to file a case—criminal or civil—and let the law take its course, which could take years. So until then, the 'framed person' would face the ignominy of the consequences of the situation. Whether the complaint was right or wrong in the first place will be decided in the court after years. And to add to this situation, the latest fad is the "Trial by Media," though the media has been in the forefront in exposing many a misdemeanor.
There are two aspects of Indian laws that are very different and totally inadequate vis-a-vis the laws of the USA—1] Factoring in the basic aspect of human behavior that a law can be misused and incorporating into the law the consequences of any such misuse/abuse, sort of addressing the 'what if abused/misused?' scenario to a sufficient level/scale. The punishments for the complainant are far less severe than for an accused—so the disincentive for a false/wrong complaint is not very high or, to put it another way, the incentive to misuse/abuse still remains. 2] The balanced approach—If one were to see the scope of our Indian laws, when something drastic happens, the action swings from one end of the pendulum to the other extreme. And in the process, the scope for another fresh set of unwanted and avoidable situations is automatically built into the solution for the current problem.
@Pon—With respect to your remarks "There was no physical injury reported to men...," I think you have missed out on the whole point of the repercussions on any victim, male or female, in such situations. Ask any psychologist, and he/she will tell you that 70-80% of the trauma the victims suffer from in sexual harassment/rape situations is emotional/mental rather than physical. And again, emotional/mental trauma takes years—yes, I am not exaggerating—to heal. And if the victim is a child, it could extend through his/her whole adult lifespan (just check with a Child Psychologist), meaning lifelong trauma.
At least, that's my take on the subject.
Regards,
TS
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Dear Seniors,
Nice to see the discussion initiated and ongoing for understanding the other part of the story. There are two different aspects: one is at the workplace, and the other is in the family structure. Both are totally different and must be handled/discussed separately.
It is often said that men are considered stronger and the initiators of harassment (specifically sexual), while women are always seen as victims and at the receiving end of the story.
This perception stems from the biological and physical build of men, which allows them to force women into harassment or acts of sexual offense. Women can only resist through physical struggle, attempting to harm the man physically, and crying and screaming, but they may not be able to stop him due to their biological/physical build. On the other hand, women cannot force a man into a sexual interaction against his will. They cannot physically compel a man into such a situation. Biologically, men are more prone to these acts as they are easily led by their desires and situations. Men may not resist their temptations, instincts, or desires as women can, so the laws and actions are often inclined towards protecting women and are considered justified.
Harassment by women typically extends to mental harassment or verbal abuse, but this goes against the fundamental instincts and nature of women, making such occurrences rare and not as serious.
Furthermore, harassment within marriage is a completely different issue, influenced by the makeup of our Indian society and the fundamental structure of families. This is a vast and complex subject to discuss.
I hope I have added some value to this discussion. Thank you.
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Nice to see the discussion initiated and ongoing for understanding the other part of the story. There are two different aspects: one is at the workplace, and the other is in the family structure. Both are totally different and must be handled/discussed separately.
It is often said that men are considered stronger and the initiators of harassment (specifically sexual), while women are always seen as victims and at the receiving end of the story.
This perception stems from the biological and physical build of men, which allows them to force women into harassment or acts of sexual offense. Women can only resist through physical struggle, attempting to harm the man physically, and crying and screaming, but they may not be able to stop him due to their biological/physical build. On the other hand, women cannot force a man into a sexual interaction against his will. They cannot physically compel a man into such a situation. Biologically, men are more prone to these acts as they are easily led by their desires and situations. Men may not resist their temptations, instincts, or desires as women can, so the laws and actions are often inclined towards protecting women and are considered justified.
Harassment by women typically extends to mental harassment or verbal abuse, but this goes against the fundamental instincts and nature of women, making such occurrences rare and not as serious.
Furthermore, harassment within marriage is a completely different issue, influenced by the makeup of our Indian society and the fundamental structure of families. This is a vast and complex subject to discuss.
I hope I have added some value to this discussion. Thank you.
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Dear Friends,
The discussion raises a valid point, but it depends on which gender is dominating. Nowadays, men are often being overwhelmed by emotional circumstances, especially after marriage. However, this trend extending to the workplace must be met with some restrictions.
Thank you.
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The discussion raises a valid point, but it depends on which gender is dominating. Nowadays, men are often being overwhelmed by emotional circumstances, especially after marriage. However, this trend extending to the workplace must be met with some restrictions.
Thank you.
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Good to see that we are all becoming sensitive to talk about emotional distress and mental harassment. I tried to find the law which covers mental harassment, but unfortunately, our government is not so sensitive. I was also looking for a medical policy that covers psychological illness, but didn't find any. I am a victim of mental harassment at my workplace, which led me into depression and forced me to quit the job. Even though I left the job in March 2013, I have not been able to find a new job. I still take the minimum dosage of medicine. In India, people are not ready to talk about these issues openly, which is why there is no law for the same. The only option left for the victim is to suffer.
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Shipra
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Regards,
Shipra
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Hello Shipra,
While empathizing with your situation, I suggest posting your resume in this forum. Not that something will happen, but nevertheless, something can happen if others get to know your profile and they too have a similar job where you would fit in.
All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
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While empathizing with your situation, I suggest posting your resume in this forum. Not that something will happen, but nevertheless, something can happen if others get to know your profile and they too have a similar job where you would fit in.
All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
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Hi,
A very interesting topic, and in this, I would also like to add something which is not related to harassment but about a common issue that many men face these days when they travel by bus. There are almost five to six seats reserved for ladies, but it is interesting to see that ladies are sitting in the non-reserved seats, keeping their reserved seats vacant. This is not because they have a choice to sit in any seat, but because men cannot sit in the ladies' seats. When the government has designated seats reserved for ladies, there should be one more rule added stating that ladies should sit in their reserved seats first, and only once those seats are full should they occupy other seats.
Regards,
Aquadefonte
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A very interesting topic, and in this, I would also like to add something which is not related to harassment but about a common issue that many men face these days when they travel by bus. There are almost five to six seats reserved for ladies, but it is interesting to see that ladies are sitting in the non-reserved seats, keeping their reserved seats vacant. This is not because they have a choice to sit in any seat, but because men cannot sit in the ladies' seats. When the government has designated seats reserved for ladies, there should be one more rule added stating that ladies should sit in their reserved seats first, and only once those seats are full should they occupy other seats.
Regards,
Aquadefonte
From India, Mormugao
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