Hello Seniors,
I'm presently working with a small web developing company as HR Admin since 2.5 months. On my joining my employer had taken my original documents saying for some verification and had made me to sign an agreement that i'll have to serve them for at least an year and if i'll leave them before that then i'll have to pay them a stipend of my six months salary. Further according to their company's information available on net that time there were more than 50 employees working with them but soon i came to know that it was all wrong and the company is not having adequate no. of employees but then they told me that many employees had left their job being it a small organization and i should put up all my efforts to grow up the no. of employees. But they are not having any contact with any consultants nor they are subscribed to naukri resdex. Moreover they had fixed my salary as 8000-basic+5000-performance based total amounting to 13000 but i had been paid 8000 only for these 2 months. All the employees working with me have deposited them their original documents and wants them back but whenever i talk to them about our documents being HR they give me the reason that if they'll return the documents then they won't see anyone in office thereafter. And also my employer has no fixed timings for coming to office, mostly he comes after 4 in the evening or even doesn't comes at all and when we make calls to him to ask something he doesn't answers us and after that he puts the entire blame on us for not working and then makes us to work on saturdays and sundays even, though 2nd & 4th saturday and sundays are meant to holidays according to his organization's policies.
I want your suggestions on this matter is there anything we employees can do to get our certificates back and get out of this stupid situation and normally there's no fixed policies regarding employees till now whether relating to their salaries, incentives, bonus, leaves, nothing.
Kindly suggest us what to do......................
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From India, Chandigarh
2I'm presently working with a small web developing company as HR Admin since 2.5 months. On my joining my employer had taken my original documents saying for some verification and had made me to sign an agreement that i'll have to serve them for at least an year and if i'll leave them before that then i'll have to pay them a stipend of my six months salary. Further according to their company's information available on net that time there were more than 50 employees working with them but soon i came to know that it was all wrong and the company is not having adequate no. of employees but then they told me that many employees had left their job being it a small organization and i should put up all my efforts to grow up the no. of employees. But they are not having any contact with any consultants nor they are subscribed to naukri resdex. Moreover they had fixed my salary as 8000-basic+5000-performance based total amounting to 13000 but i had been paid 8000 only for these 2 months. All the employees working with me have deposited them their original documents and wants them back but whenever i talk to them about our documents being HR they give me the reason that if they'll return the documents then they won't see anyone in office thereafter. And also my employer has no fixed timings for coming to office, mostly he comes after 4 in the evening or even doesn't comes at all and when we make calls to him to ask something he doesn't answers us and after that he puts the entire blame on us for not working and then makes us to work on saturdays and sundays even, though 2nd & 4th saturday and sundays are meant to holidays according to his organization's policies.
I want your suggestions on this matter is there anything we employees can do to get our certificates back and get out of this stupid situation and normally there's no fixed policies regarding employees till now whether relating to their salaries, incentives, bonus, leaves, nothing.
Kindly suggest us what to do......................
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From India, Chandigarh
Dear Sonia,
I am surprised to hear this? How did you sign the agreement with out reading? If it is written as only 1 year, then you can ask them to return your original certificates as you have already complelted the said period. Also, just want to let you know that, no organization in India can bind an employee with the agreement/bond, which is void. It is only to scare the fresh graduates so that they stop job hopping & learn things.
Always remember to do a thorough research before joining any firm. Every organization follows certain policies & procedures/principles which tell us the organization functionality. Few follow & few tell that they follow, you don't have to get scared. This is not the time for you to worry about all this, as you already worked for 2.5 yrs in that firm.
First decide with an open mind, do you still want to continue with the firm or leave, if your decision is to leave, then go and tell the employer to return the certificates. If they say yes and give it, then fine, otherwise tell them you would proceed legally. You can definitely get back your certificates with ease without getting into any hassles. As said earlier, in India no organization can bind an employee with bond terms. It is not valid in the court of law.
Hope this is clear.
Regards
Prashanth
I am surprised to hear this? How did you sign the agreement with out reading? If it is written as only 1 year, then you can ask them to return your original certificates as you have already complelted the said period. Also, just want to let you know that, no organization in India can bind an employee with the agreement/bond, which is void. It is only to scare the fresh graduates so that they stop job hopping & learn things.
Always remember to do a thorough research before joining any firm. Every organization follows certain policies & procedures/principles which tell us the organization functionality. Few follow & few tell that they follow, you don't have to get scared. This is not the time for you to worry about all this, as you already worked for 2.5 yrs in that firm.
First decide with an open mind, do you still want to continue with the firm or leave, if your decision is to leave, then go and tell the employer to return the certificates. If they say yes and give it, then fine, otherwise tell them you would proceed legally. You can definitely get back your certificates with ease without getting into any hassles. As said earlier, in India no organization can bind an employee with bond terms. It is not valid in the court of law.
Hope this is clear.
Regards
Prashanth
Thanks for your valuable suggestion prashanth sir, but i would like to correct you that its not 2.5 yrs that i have been working with this organization its only 2.5 months. My major concern is regarding the matter that i'm a fresher, though before this i had worked with a recruiting agency for 3 months but that was just to get the feel of working before actually joining any organization after my MBA; and i don't have any type of learning being provided by this organization and more over there seems to be no growth perspectives. I'm really concerned about my future now.
Please suggest me what should i do................
From India, Chandigarh
Please suggest me what should i do................
From India, Chandigarh
Dear Sonia,
Few organizations give training and few dont. Since you are an MBA grad, you should be capable enough to identify your job roles. There is plenty of info. available on net.
Firstly you should decide whether you want to continue with the present organization or not. If you think you can then think positive and continue. If not, then move on..Speak to the present employer and tell him the reason why you want to quit.
You can even give medical reasons as well. Request them to relieve you soon.
If they listen to you, good, other wise tell them you have to proceed legally by filing a case in Labour court or some other means.
Usually this doesnt happen, but if they are reluctant then say to scare them.
As i said, first and foremost are you really interested in the job, if yes.. then go ahead.. if not, then leave it and look for something else.
Regards
Prashanth
Few organizations give training and few dont. Since you are an MBA grad, you should be capable enough to identify your job roles. There is plenty of info. available on net.
Firstly you should decide whether you want to continue with the present organization or not. If you think you can then think positive and continue. If not, then move on..Speak to the present employer and tell him the reason why you want to quit.
You can even give medical reasons as well. Request them to relieve you soon.
If they listen to you, good, other wise tell them you have to proceed legally by filing a case in Labour court or some other means.
Usually this doesnt happen, but if they are reluctant then say to scare them.
As i said, first and foremost are you really interested in the job, if yes.. then go ahead.. if not, then leave it and look for something else.
Regards
Prashanth
Greetings,
I may sound a little downer, but your first priority is to get your documents back. The agreement that you signed, couldn't have mentioned anything with your documents. Make your best approach and ensure you get your documents back.
You have signed a bond, you may not be able to change your job anytime soon. Since you are a fresher, working in a firm might add to your credibility. Initially , every role in HR requires hard work. More importantly , do you have an offer in your hand? The market is volatile. The offers for freshers, are mostly from recruitment consultant. Companies are hiring experienced HR Professionals. It may take some time for you to find a suitable role. Till that time continue in this organization.
I am sure you will do your own research before joining your next firm. Please stay away from handing over your documents ever in your life.
From India, Mumbai
I may sound a little downer, but your first priority is to get your documents back. The agreement that you signed, couldn't have mentioned anything with your documents. Make your best approach and ensure you get your documents back.
You have signed a bond, you may not be able to change your job anytime soon. Since you are a fresher, working in a firm might add to your credibility. Initially , every role in HR requires hard work. More importantly , do you have an offer in your hand? The market is volatile. The offers for freshers, are mostly from recruitment consultant. Companies are hiring experienced HR Professionals. It may take some time for you to find a suitable role. Till that time continue in this organization.
I am sure you will do your own research before joining your next firm. Please stay away from handing over your documents ever in your life.
From India, Mumbai
Dear Sonia,
If organizational culture is so poor, perhaps you wo'nt be able to continue long,
so it's better to look for a fresh start.
is there any written doc which can prove it further that they are keepin ur documents 4 sum period??
If not then u may Ask telling your need by sayin as ur family member need sum loan\
n u need to give them 4 verification or some other way to extract documents.
And in future beware!!!!!
From India, Delhi
If organizational culture is so poor, perhaps you wo'nt be able to continue long,
so it's better to look for a fresh start.
is there any written doc which can prove it further that they are keepin ur documents 4 sum period??
If not then u may Ask telling your need by sayin as ur family member need sum loan\
n u need to give them 4 verification or some other way to extract documents.
And in future beware!!!!!
From India, Delhi
Thank you all for your valuable suggestions......................What i have decided is that i'll get my documents back first any how and then i'll quit this job for there's no actual HR work here and no growth or learning that i could get. I had started it positively thinking of framing some policies in this organization but every time my plans are in vain for my employers never feel satisfied with the actual concepts and always have different philosophies that suit their interests only, giving the reason that they are the boss and the business is not being run on any charity fund. I have realized it to be useless to work with this firm any more now. Last month i was given the task of framing bonus policy for the organization and i spend day-night in framing a good policy that will be linked to the salary as it is usually, and even other alternatives if they want it to be performance based entirely.........but it was all in vain..........they finally decided to hold nominally some cash as bonus which will be calculated every 3 months and paid in 4th month if they feel the performance of the employee was good, without an accurate framework as how it would be linked and how to calculate it nothing...............Even they don't talk about my salary on calculation and is constantly being paid 8000 only which was decided 8000+5000/ month........ it is really something very unethical........... I have planned that i'll tell them that i have to move back to my home town for my mother is not well for last some time and being the only daughter i should be with her at this time to help her..........
From India, Chandigarh
From India, Chandigarh
And they hadn’t mentioned any thing regarding documents in the offer that they had made to me.
From India, Chandigarh
From India, Chandigarh
Dear Sonia,
Your documents leads your priority list. Deal with this very sensitively. Remain stable and show no concern towards the job. However, you may require your documents for other legal purposes and reasons deemed fit to your situation. You are the best judge of your situation. Set your priorities right. No matter how bleak it may seem, find the best learning from your existing role. Remember, its the reason, why you would find your next job. Jump the boat, along with the incentives from the current environment. Too often, we get involved in activities and responsibilities which may not make any sense when we do it, but appear different at a later point of time.
Managing ambiguity and difficult leaders take years to excel. You are lucky to have found it in your first job. Even when you may stand to feel lost, take my words, you will still have big learning only if you keep an open mind.
Here are two discussions on managing career through challenging situations. Every situation is unique, yet there are many learning that we may take from each other.
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The bottom line remains on how much can you maximize on this situation. Give your self a stopwatch and start counting your takeaways before you move out. This will help you to stay focused.
From India, Mumbai
Your documents leads your priority list. Deal with this very sensitively. Remain stable and show no concern towards the job. However, you may require your documents for other legal purposes and reasons deemed fit to your situation. You are the best judge of your situation. Set your priorities right. No matter how bleak it may seem, find the best learning from your existing role. Remember, its the reason, why you would find your next job. Jump the boat, along with the incentives from the current environment. Too often, we get involved in activities and responsibilities which may not make any sense when we do it, but appear different at a later point of time.
Managing ambiguity and difficult leaders take years to excel. You are lucky to have found it in your first job. Even when you may stand to feel lost, take my words, you will still have big learning only if you keep an open mind.
Here are two discussions on managing career through challenging situations. Every situation is unique, yet there are many learning that we may take from each other.
Please advice on the career graph
How to streamline messy functions <link updated to site home> ( Search On Cite | Search On Google )
The bottom line remains on how much can you maximize on this situation. Give your self a stopwatch and start counting your takeaways before you move out. This will help you to stay focused.
From India, Mumbai
Good day,
The first Priority to get the Original’s Doc’s,
Its not easy to have from any Employers, its need a cleaver ideas to get it.
I don’t know either its work or not, but I have few points, try to follow, may be it will work out.
1, Don’t ask for immediate release for any documents (From this Employer will understand that you are running from Co.)
2, Let them know that you are planning for further studies or a Course in coming 2 -3 months, and need documents by that time (This point is just friendly alert for the doc’s for Employer)
3, Ask for one by one Documents. Example – Ask Employer to provide any one of the Original Doc’s which you need for some Govt work like license, ration, pan, etc.
If Employers give then well and good, later you can ask another by giving any more excuses.
4, If in your friend circle there is any legal advisor, then take some advice from him, just in friendly manner – (Don’t hire any, its waste of Money).
5, (This one is yours idea only) – Excuse of moving to hometown in an emergency due to health or domestic issue. (But its work rarely)
6, This is not a professional, but try in last, if anything not work – Ask assistance of your Male cousins and try to meet them to your employer and REQUEST for Documents due to emergency to leave hometown or etc – (By doing this your Employer can understand that you have full support and you can go beyond that )
But kindly consider first “(Cite Contribution) Madam” Advice, as you are the fresher so this job countable for you near in future and once you have more experience you can find job any were.
Respected Moderators, Admin, if any of my point found unproffesional, then please delete it.
Thank you,
Regards,
From Kuwait, Hawalli
The first Priority to get the Original’s Doc’s,
Its not easy to have from any Employers, its need a cleaver ideas to get it.
I don’t know either its work or not, but I have few points, try to follow, may be it will work out.
1, Don’t ask for immediate release for any documents (From this Employer will understand that you are running from Co.)
2, Let them know that you are planning for further studies or a Course in coming 2 -3 months, and need documents by that time (This point is just friendly alert for the doc’s for Employer)
3, Ask for one by one Documents. Example – Ask Employer to provide any one of the Original Doc’s which you need for some Govt work like license, ration, pan, etc.
If Employers give then well and good, later you can ask another by giving any more excuses.
4, If in your friend circle there is any legal advisor, then take some advice from him, just in friendly manner – (Don’t hire any, its waste of Money).
5, (This one is yours idea only) – Excuse of moving to hometown in an emergency due to health or domestic issue. (But its work rarely)
6, This is not a professional, but try in last, if anything not work – Ask assistance of your Male cousins and try to meet them to your employer and REQUEST for Documents due to emergency to leave hometown or etc – (By doing this your Employer can understand that you have full support and you can go beyond that )
But kindly consider first “(Cite Contribution) Madam” Advice, as you are the fresher so this job countable for you near in future and once you have more experience you can find job any were.
Respected Moderators, Admin, if any of my point found unproffesional, then please delete it.
Thank you,
Regards,
From Kuwait, Hawalli
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