I accept Mr. Sardhar's and rk7Prakash.
Professionalism never comes from an organization; it should come from the individual. It doesn't look like the ego of an HR Manager; it is the ego of the candidate. At the beginning, only if he creates scenes like this. How will he be in the future?
From India, Bangalore
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Professionalism never comes from an organization; it should come from the individual. It doesn't look like the ego of an HR Manager; it is the ego of the candidate. At the beginning, only if he creates scenes like this. How will he be in the future?
From India, Bangalore
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Dear Swapnil,
As many of our members suggested, you should edit the post and remove the name of the company from it.
Another point to consider is that none of us know how the new joiner behaved with HR. If he had politely informed HR that he would bring the documents the next day, HR might not have reacted harshly. Additionally, the new joiner had the opportunity to bring the original documents but chose not to do so.
We should not blame HR for every action without fully understanding the situation.
From India, Mumbai
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121As many of our members suggested, you should edit the post and remove the name of the company from it.
Another point to consider is that none of us know how the new joiner behaved with HR. If he had politely informed HR that he would bring the documents the next day, HR might not have reacted harshly. Additionally, the new joiner had the opportunity to bring the original documents but chose not to do so.
We should not blame HR for every action without fully understanding the situation.
From India, Mumbai
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I agree with Octavious. I always believed that when you are in an organization, you have the obligation to set positive examples both in action and deeds, no matter which level the employee is employed.
From Hong Kong
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Dear All,
Following are my views:
Even if there is a one-sided story, the employee was not tactfully entertained, and a seed of grievance has been planted from the beginning (in case the employee joined), which is not good for the employee and the organization (as the employee was selected through the recruitment process of the organization and hence must be a quality resource). He can be given one day's time (as it shows from the style and language of his write-up).
HR should not only make employees comfortable but also competitive. However, in this case, nothing was done from the HR manager's side. It could be a behavioral issue. No offense!
Best Regards,
Aishvarya
From India, Indore
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Following are my views:
Even if there is a one-sided story, the employee was not tactfully entertained, and a seed of grievance has been planted from the beginning (in case the employee joined), which is not good for the employee and the organization (as the employee was selected through the recruitment process of the organization and hence must be a quality resource). He can be given one day's time (as it shows from the style and language of his write-up).
HR should not only make employees comfortable but also competitive. However, in this case, nothing was done from the HR manager's side. It could be a behavioral issue. No offense!
Best Regards,
Aishvarya
From India, Indore
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Hello,
This reply is especially for Mr. Peer Mohamed Sardhar and all others who are NOT aware of Hindu festivals and their importance for a Hindu. I would like to THANK all the people who have been interactive and presented their opinions. But because I know my Colleague Mr. Y is very proud and headstrong of being an HR, I will just ask TWO (2) questions to each and every individual.
1) Did you all read the mail sent by the employee PROPERLY, especially you Peer Sahab? Agreed that the prospective employee did not get the documents on the date of joining, does that mean HE/SHE CANNOT BE GIVEN SOME TIME?
2) In whichever case was my colleague Mr. Y CORRECT/RIGHT in talking to him in a tone that is not acceptable in any industry? Knowing him, I really hope he does not APPROACH ANY LEGAL ADVISOR because that will surely tarnish the name of the organization as the Internet and Media will catch up soon.
I suggest everybody READ the mail the employee sent before posting any opinions. I can vouch for the prospective employee because he/she knew my headstrong colleague only for two (2) days, but I have known my colleague for over Three (3) years now. The employee does not have any personal hatred for my colleague, but only because the employee was spoken to in a manner that hurt him/her was the mail sent. I have been working in the same organization as Mr. Y, and the way the other people on the HR Panel handle things is not like Mr. Y. Mr. Y could have told the employee about the company policy in a more professional way rather than using the language that has been mentioned in the mail.
Good Day.
Swapnil.
From India, Hyderabad
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This reply is especially for Mr. Peer Mohamed Sardhar and all others who are NOT aware of Hindu festivals and their importance for a Hindu. I would like to THANK all the people who have been interactive and presented their opinions. But because I know my Colleague Mr. Y is very proud and headstrong of being an HR, I will just ask TWO (2) questions to each and every individual.
1) Did you all read the mail sent by the employee PROPERLY, especially you Peer Sahab? Agreed that the prospective employee did not get the documents on the date of joining, does that mean HE/SHE CANNOT BE GIVEN SOME TIME?
2) In whichever case was my colleague Mr. Y CORRECT/RIGHT in talking to him in a tone that is not acceptable in any industry? Knowing him, I really hope he does not APPROACH ANY LEGAL ADVISOR because that will surely tarnish the name of the organization as the Internet and Media will catch up soon.
I suggest everybody READ the mail the employee sent before posting any opinions. I can vouch for the prospective employee because he/she knew my headstrong colleague only for two (2) days, but I have known my colleague for over Three (3) years now. The employee does not have any personal hatred for my colleague, but only because the employee was spoken to in a manner that hurt him/her was the mail sent. I have been working in the same organization as Mr. Y, and the way the other people on the HR Panel handle things is not like Mr. Y. Mr. Y could have told the employee about the company policy in a more professional way rather than using the language that has been mentioned in the mail.
Good Day.
Swapnil.
From India, Hyderabad
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Dear Swapnil,
As per your above-said email, I believe that the mistake is from both sides. I agree with the peer that the employee who is coming to join the organization must carry his documents, which are a basic requirement. You cannot come empty-handed. However, it is also true that as an HR manager, one has to behave in such a manner that the new employee must feel a cordial environment. But I believe that sometimes, under the hiring pressure, HR people also lose their temperament.
In this kind of situation, we need to control ourselves and act smartly so that our purpose is also served, and no one can raise a finger against us.
Regards,
Amit
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As per your above-said email, I believe that the mistake is from both sides. I agree with the peer that the employee who is coming to join the organization must carry his documents, which are a basic requirement. You cannot come empty-handed. However, it is also true that as an HR manager, one has to behave in such a manner that the new employee must feel a cordial environment. But I believe that sometimes, under the hiring pressure, HR people also lose their temperament.
In this kind of situation, we need to control ourselves and act smartly so that our purpose is also served, and no one can raise a finger against us.
Regards,
Amit
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From India, Delhi
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Dear Swapnil,
It's true that you know your colleague better than anyone else, but if you have posted something for discussion, you will always get a response from both angles, and you must accept the same. A peer has his own view, and I believe the other side of the coin also needs to be taken into consideration.
I personally thank you for bringing this matter for discussion, which can provide a lesson to all readers.
Regards,
Amit
From India, Delhi
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It's true that you know your colleague better than anyone else, but if you have posted something for discussion, you will always get a response from both angles, and you must accept the same. A peer has his own view, and I believe the other side of the coin also needs to be taken into consideration.
I personally thank you for bringing this matter for discussion, which can provide a lesson to all readers.
Regards,
Amit
From India, Delhi
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As said by Mr. Peer Mohammed Sardhar, the candidate has to come for joining with the proper offer of Employment letter, Educational Certificates, experience certificates, a medical fitness certificate, and other documents as required by the new joining company.
As a matter of fact, while joining, candidates are expected to bring the above documents for verification (original and 1 xerox copy of documents) without fail, as the same might have been mentioned in the Offer of employment letter issued by the HR Department. Any deviation from that will obviously cause irritation to any normal person.
In this case, the HR manager could have refused to induct him the next day. Instead of shouting at him, he could have consulted the management and changed the date of joining after a reasonable time period.
From India, Kumbakonam
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As a matter of fact, while joining, candidates are expected to bring the above documents for verification (original and 1 xerox copy of documents) without fail, as the same might have been mentioned in the Offer of employment letter issued by the HR Department. Any deviation from that will obviously cause irritation to any normal person.
In this case, the HR manager could have refused to induct him the next day. Instead of shouting at him, he could have consulted the management and changed the date of joining after a reasonable time period.
From India, Kumbakonam
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If you give him an inch, he will take a mile!
If you let your policy framework be too flexible, the flexibility can kill you!
It's like saying: I broke a traffic rule, but hell didn't break loose... Well, buddy, our traffic conditions are pathetic just due to this attitude. The stress levels while driving, the number of accidents and deaths, and the overall transport cost far exceed Europe, where minor offenses are recorded and punished severely.
The HR manager inducting has to do it efficiently. One cannot expect him to keep following up with guys after joining. It's not a good practice. He has other work to do than load his staff with this petty joining formality.
That being said, a colleague posting that saying that he was wrong is construable as a defamation exercise. Being a lawyer as well, I would urge the moderators to help sensitize the person on such consequences.
Every issue should be professionally treated, and the understanding of those words varies a lot with the receiver. However, bringing in that objectivity is probably the task of the top management.
Lastly, A class men recruit A class men... B class men recruit C class men... So, if one is pushing the limits here, Mr. Y will not be the only guy in the limelight (assuming he is wrong, which cannot be proven here anyway).
From United States, Daphne
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If you let your policy framework be too flexible, the flexibility can kill you!
It's like saying: I broke a traffic rule, but hell didn't break loose... Well, buddy, our traffic conditions are pathetic just due to this attitude. The stress levels while driving, the number of accidents and deaths, and the overall transport cost far exceed Europe, where minor offenses are recorded and punished severely.
The HR manager inducting has to do it efficiently. One cannot expect him to keep following up with guys after joining. It's not a good practice. He has other work to do than load his staff with this petty joining formality.
That being said, a colleague posting that saying that he was wrong is construable as a defamation exercise. Being a lawyer as well, I would urge the moderators to help sensitize the person on such consequences.
Every issue should be professionally treated, and the understanding of those words varies a lot with the receiver. However, bringing in that objectivity is probably the task of the top management.
Lastly, A class men recruit A class men... B class men recruit C class men... So, if one is pushing the limits here, Mr. Y will not be the only guy in the limelight (assuming he is wrong, which cannot be proven here anyway).
From United States, Daphne
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