I accept Mr. Sardhar`s and rk7Prakash.
Professionalism never comes from an organisation, it should come from the Individual.
It doesn`t look like ego of an HR Manager. it is ego of candidate. at the brgining only if he creates scenes like this.
How he will be in future.
From India, Bangalore
Professionalism never comes from an organisation, it should come from the Individual.
It doesn`t look like ego of an HR Manager. it is ego of candidate. at the brgining only if he creates scenes like this.
How he will be in future.
From India, Bangalore
Dear Swapnil,
As many of our members suggested you should edit the post and remove the Name of the company from the post.
second thing is that we all dont know how the new joinee behaved with the HR. if he could have told politely to the HR that, he ( New Joinee) will bring the documents next day and if that was the case then HR may not have behaved roughly.
also the new joinee could bring originals but he did not do the same.
We can not make HR as a culprit of every action without understanding the situation.
From India, Mumbai
121As many of our members suggested you should edit the post and remove the Name of the company from the post.
second thing is that we all dont know how the new joinee behaved with the HR. if he could have told politely to the HR that, he ( New Joinee) will bring the documents next day and if that was the case then HR may not have behaved roughly.
also the new joinee could bring originals but he did not do the same.
We can not make HR as a culprit of every action without understanding the situation.
From India, Mumbai
I agree with octavious . always believed that when you are in an organization, you have the obligation to set positive examples both in act and deeds, no matter which and what level the employee is employed.
From Hong Kong
From Hong Kong
Dear All,
folowing are my views:
Even if there is one sided story we have, employee was not entertained tactfully and a seed of grievance has been planted in the beginning (in case employee joined) which is not good for employee and the organization (as employee has selected through the Recruitment process of the org. and hence, He must be quality resource). He can be given one day time (as it shows from the style, language of his write up)
HR should not make employee comfortable rather competitive but here, nothing was done from the HR manager side. It can be a case of behavioral issue. No offence!!
Best Regards,
Aishvarya
From India, Indore
folowing are my views:
Even if there is one sided story we have, employee was not entertained tactfully and a seed of grievance has been planted in the beginning (in case employee joined) which is not good for employee and the organization (as employee has selected through the Recruitment process of the org. and hence, He must be quality resource). He can be given one day time (as it shows from the style, language of his write up)
HR should not make employee comfortable rather competitive but here, nothing was done from the HR manager side. It can be a case of behavioral issue. No offence!!
Best Regards,
Aishvarya
From India, Indore
Hello,
This reply is especially to Mr. Peer Mohamed Sardhar and all others who are NOT aware of Hindu festivals and their importance for a Hindu. I would like to THANK all the people who have been interactive and presented their opinions. But because I know my Colleague Mr.Y is very proud and head-strong of being an HR, I will just ask TWO(2) questions to each and every indivdual.
1) Did you all read the mail sent by the employee PROPERLY especially you Peer Sahab? Agreed that the prospective employee did not get the documents on the date of joining, does that mean HE/SHE CANNOT BE GIVEN SOME TIME?
2) IN Whichever case was my colleague Mr.Y CORRECT/RIGHT in talking to him in a tone that is not acceptable in any industry ? Knowing him, I really hope he does not APPROACH ANY LEGAL ADVISOR because that will surely tarnish the name of the organization as the Internet and Media will catch up soon.
[COLOR=black]I suggest everybody to READ the mail the employee sent before posting any opinions. I can vouch for the prospective employee because he/she knew my head-strong colleague only for two(2) days, but I know my colleague for over Three(3) years now. The employee does not have any personal hatred for my colleague, but only because the employee was spoken in a manner which hurt him/her that mail was sent. I have been working in the same organization as Mr.Y and the way the other people of the HR Panel handle things is not like Mr.Y. Mr.Y could have told the employee about the company policy in a more professional way rather than using the language which has been mentioned in the mail.
Good Day.
Swapnil.
From India, Hyderabad
This reply is especially to Mr. Peer Mohamed Sardhar and all others who are NOT aware of Hindu festivals and their importance for a Hindu. I would like to THANK all the people who have been interactive and presented their opinions. But because I know my Colleague Mr.Y is very proud and head-strong of being an HR, I will just ask TWO(2) questions to each and every indivdual.
1) Did you all read the mail sent by the employee PROPERLY especially you Peer Sahab? Agreed that the prospective employee did not get the documents on the date of joining, does that mean HE/SHE CANNOT BE GIVEN SOME TIME?
2) IN Whichever case was my colleague Mr.Y CORRECT/RIGHT in talking to him in a tone that is not acceptable in any industry ? Knowing him, I really hope he does not APPROACH ANY LEGAL ADVISOR because that will surely tarnish the name of the organization as the Internet and Media will catch up soon.
[COLOR=black]I suggest everybody to READ the mail the employee sent before posting any opinions. I can vouch for the prospective employee because he/she knew my head-strong colleague only for two(2) days, but I know my colleague for over Three(3) years now. The employee does not have any personal hatred for my colleague, but only because the employee was spoken in a manner which hurt him/her that mail was sent. I have been working in the same organization as Mr.Y and the way the other people of the HR Panel handle things is not like Mr.Y. Mr.Y could have told the employee about the company policy in a more professional way rather than using the language which has been mentioned in the mail.
Good Day.
Swapnil.
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Swapnil,
As per your above said mail i beleive that mistake is from both the sides , i agree with Peer that the employee who is coming to join Organization he must carry his documents which is basic requirement . You can not come empty hand but it is also truth that being a HR manager he has to behave in such a manner that new employee must feel coordial environment but i beleive some time under the hiring presure HR people also lost their temprament.
So in this kind of situation we need to control ourself and act smartly so that our purpose will also served and no one able raise finger against us.
Regards
Amit
9650592207
From India, Delhi
As per your above said mail i beleive that mistake is from both the sides , i agree with Peer that the employee who is coming to join Organization he must carry his documents which is basic requirement . You can not come empty hand but it is also truth that being a HR manager he has to behave in such a manner that new employee must feel coordial environment but i beleive some time under the hiring presure HR people also lost their temprament.
So in this kind of situation we need to control ourself and act smartly so that our purpose will also served and no one able raise finger against us.
Regards
Amit
9650592207
From India, Delhi
Dear Swapnil,
It's truth that you know your colleague better than anyone else but if you have posted something for discussion you will always get response from both of the angle and you must accept the same. peer is having his own view and i beleive the other side of coin is also needs be taken into consideration .
I thank you personally that you brought this matter for discussion which can provide a lesson to all readers.
Regards
amit
From India, Delhi
It's truth that you know your colleague better than anyone else but if you have posted something for discussion you will always get response from both of the angle and you must accept the same. peer is having his own view and i beleive the other side of coin is also needs be taken into consideration .
I thank you personally that you brought this matter for discussion which can provide a lesson to all readers.
Regards
amit
From India, Delhi
As said by Mr. Peer Mohammed Sardhar, the candidate have to come for joining with proper offer of Employment letter, Educational Certificates, experience certificates, medical fitness certificate and other documents as required by the new joining company. As a matter of fact, while joining the candidates are expected to bring the above documents for verification (original and 1 xerox copy of documents) without fail, as the same might have mentioned in the Offer of employment letter issued by the HR Department.
Any deviation to that will obviously make irritation to any normal man. But here in this case, the HR man could have refused him to induct him on next day and instead of shouting on him he could have consulted the management and changed the date of joining after reasonable time period.
From India, Kumbakonam
Any deviation to that will obviously make irritation to any normal man. But here in this case, the HR man could have refused him to induct him on next day and instead of shouting on him he could have consulted the management and changed the date of joining after reasonable time period.
From India, Kumbakonam
If you give him an inch, he will take a mile!
If you let your policy framework be too flexible, the flexibility can kill you!
Its like saying: I broke a traffic rule, but hell didn't break lose... Well, buddy, our traffic conditions are pathetic just due to this attitude and the stress levels while driving, the number of accidents and deaths and the overall transport cost far exceed Europe... where your minor offenses are recorded and punished severely.
The HR manager inducting has to do it efficiently. One cannot expect him to keep following up with guys after joining. Its not a good practice. He has other work to do than load his staff with this petty joining formality.
That being said, a colleague posting that saying that he was wrong, is construe-able as a defamation exercise. Being a lawyer as well, I would urge the moderators to help sensitize the person on such consequences.
Every issue should be professionally treated and the understanding of those words vary a lot with the receiver. However, bringing in that objectivity is probably the task of the top management.
Lastly, A class men recruit A class men... B class men recruit C class men... So, if one is pushing the limits here, Mr. Y will not be the only guy in the limelight (assuming he is wrong, which cannot be proven here anyway).
From United States, Daphne
If you let your policy framework be too flexible, the flexibility can kill you!
Its like saying: I broke a traffic rule, but hell didn't break lose... Well, buddy, our traffic conditions are pathetic just due to this attitude and the stress levels while driving, the number of accidents and deaths and the overall transport cost far exceed Europe... where your minor offenses are recorded and punished severely.
The HR manager inducting has to do it efficiently. One cannot expect him to keep following up with guys after joining. Its not a good practice. He has other work to do than load his staff with this petty joining formality.
That being said, a colleague posting that saying that he was wrong, is construe-able as a defamation exercise. Being a lawyer as well, I would urge the moderators to help sensitize the person on such consequences.
Every issue should be professionally treated and the understanding of those words vary a lot with the receiver. However, bringing in that objectivity is probably the task of the top management.
Lastly, A class men recruit A class men... B class men recruit C class men... So, if one is pushing the limits here, Mr. Y will not be the only guy in the limelight (assuming he is wrong, which cannot be proven here anyway).
From United States, Daphne
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