This is quite an intricate issue as it propagates internal politics within the hierachy in your organisation. I concur with the other respondents that certain elements are aware of what is happening in trems of eliminating you form the structure
I am not quite familiar with labour legislation for ryour country , but I believe that in any corporate environment fairness must prevail which is largely engrossed in our South African Labour Legislation , whereby avenues of disputes resolutions are availed for such predicaments.
Quick solutions is to put your self in the market and with the experience you possess you can walk into any institution without fear of failure
From Germany
I am not quite familiar with labour legislation for ryour country , but I believe that in any corporate environment fairness must prevail which is largely engrossed in our South African Labour Legislation , whereby avenues of disputes resolutions are availed for such predicaments.
Quick solutions is to put your self in the market and with the experience you possess you can walk into any institution without fear of failure
From Germany
Dear Mr. Shetty,
Each and every advice in this discussion has valid points. So, start looking for other options, or rather I should say "better opportunities". And once you have found one, you can go ahead and share your problem with HR Team or senior mangement, then if you find their and current boss's reactions to become ven more adverse, you need not fear as you already have aniother offer by then, and so you will be in position to move on in your career.
Regards,
Pooja Saha
From India, Calcutta
Each and every advice in this discussion has valid points. So, start looking for other options, or rather I should say "better opportunities". And once you have found one, you can go ahead and share your problem with HR Team or senior mangement, then if you find their and current boss's reactions to become ven more adverse, you need not fear as you already have aniother offer by then, and so you will be in position to move on in your career.
Regards,
Pooja Saha
From India, Calcutta
Dear Swaresh Shetty,
Why don't you get an appointment to speak to your Boss.Have you ever done it.Instead of blaming him,why don't you change him with your professionalism,Passion,simplicity etc.There may be many reason for him not to support you.One among that may be you are threat for him(you are smarter than him).During your talk,allow him to understand that you are a loving subordinate. When the eago breaks,he will feel that you are trustworthy,and start loving you better than before,if he has any other motivation behind this attitude.But never ever your humility loose your dignity.Love can conquer the world.But hatredness will dam you.Think good of your boss and yourself.If you do this,atleast he will not chase if you move out of the company.Change the company when you are in flying colours not in desperate situation.All the best.
Johny Joseph.
From India, Kottayam
Why don't you get an appointment to speak to your Boss.Have you ever done it.Instead of blaming him,why don't you change him with your professionalism,Passion,simplicity etc.There may be many reason for him not to support you.One among that may be you are threat for him(you are smarter than him).During your talk,allow him to understand that you are a loving subordinate. When the eago breaks,he will feel that you are trustworthy,and start loving you better than before,if he has any other motivation behind this attitude.But never ever your humility loose your dignity.Love can conquer the world.But hatredness will dam you.Think good of your boss and yourself.If you do this,atleast he will not chase if you move out of the company.Change the company when you are in flying colours not in desperate situation.All the best.
Johny Joseph.
From India, Kottayam
Dear Mr. Shetty,
Your plight is genuine, working abroad,10 years stint in the same organisation and sucessfully managed/ managing client issues , now refelcting on the difference of opinion between you and the "BOSS"( CERTINLY IT IS DORMANT & NOW YOU HAVE BEEN FEELING ABOUT IT)
I have been working abroad and responsible for multi- countries , Locations & divisional and projects as Group HRM , have personally come across such issues as others have handled in this forum, but I have counter questions to you;
1. During last 10 years how was your track record with the current boss & his predecessors ?
2. How was your leverage / presentations in business meetings to Sr. mgt ? You must have been going thru' this since last 7 years atleast? You must have records of high performance and awards won during last 5 years to substantiate your 'PERSONAL PREFRENCE among the peers' & known to seniors of your boss's too?
3. As you said , you must have got an opportunity to represent the deptt. performance / team performance / project progress to Seniors of your Boss as well? They must be knowing you as a person who has been around more than 9 years?What about long service award ?
4. To what degree you have confidence that HR has been the puppet of the all seniors / leaders in your organisation , or you have heard from others and accepted? Yes, many HR team members do not initiate actions till they are comfortable with information / statistics or analyses as well as their compatibility with their seniors to report such things - perhaps your HR must be like that , also you have yet not indirectly discussed with your HR to testify their mettle for such type of cases.Even you have not been considered for increase / promotions , however, juniors are recommended - either your performance has slipped the BAR scale as per your internal performance criteria or you are not clearly aware. Or your clients have silently complaint against you and you have not been aware of.Maximum people 'QUIT' without even discussing with appropriate HR intervention and blames ineffectiveness of HR.
5 I strongly suggest, if you have been an "ASSIDUOUS PERFORMER" & HAVE BEEN VERY CONFIDENT OF YOUR CLIENT'S RELATIONS /Problem RESOLVER , PL. RELOOK AT THE WORK DONE , MAKE SUMMARY AND just briefly sound it to you Boss in the most lucid manner. Needless to say - no arguments or confrontations , you just judge the reflections and build actions / dialogues further . Do not take any hasty move.Decide based on what you feel after such deliberations.Remeber,
"If you refuse to accept none other than the best, you often get it"
Best wishes,
N N S Vyas
From Nigeria
1Your plight is genuine, working abroad,10 years stint in the same organisation and sucessfully managed/ managing client issues , now refelcting on the difference of opinion between you and the "BOSS"( CERTINLY IT IS DORMANT & NOW YOU HAVE BEEN FEELING ABOUT IT)
I have been working abroad and responsible for multi- countries , Locations & divisional and projects as Group HRM , have personally come across such issues as others have handled in this forum, but I have counter questions to you;
1. During last 10 years how was your track record with the current boss & his predecessors ?
2. How was your leverage / presentations in business meetings to Sr. mgt ? You must have been going thru' this since last 7 years atleast? You must have records of high performance and awards won during last 5 years to substantiate your 'PERSONAL PREFRENCE among the peers' & known to seniors of your boss's too?
3. As you said , you must have got an opportunity to represent the deptt. performance / team performance / project progress to Seniors of your Boss as well? They must be knowing you as a person who has been around more than 9 years?What about long service award ?
4. To what degree you have confidence that HR has been the puppet of the all seniors / leaders in your organisation , or you have heard from others and accepted? Yes, many HR team members do not initiate actions till they are comfortable with information / statistics or analyses as well as their compatibility with their seniors to report such things - perhaps your HR must be like that , also you have yet not indirectly discussed with your HR to testify their mettle for such type of cases.Even you have not been considered for increase / promotions , however, juniors are recommended - either your performance has slipped the BAR scale as per your internal performance criteria or you are not clearly aware. Or your clients have silently complaint against you and you have not been aware of.Maximum people 'QUIT' without even discussing with appropriate HR intervention and blames ineffectiveness of HR.
5 I strongly suggest, if you have been an "ASSIDUOUS PERFORMER" & HAVE BEEN VERY CONFIDENT OF YOUR CLIENT'S RELATIONS /Problem RESOLVER , PL. RELOOK AT THE WORK DONE , MAKE SUMMARY AND just briefly sound it to you Boss in the most lucid manner. Needless to say - no arguments or confrontations , you just judge the reflections and build actions / dialogues further . Do not take any hasty move.Decide based on what you feel after such deliberations.Remeber,
"If you refuse to accept none other than the best, you often get it"
Best wishes,
N N S Vyas
From Nigeria
hi,
i just cant believe even after working 10 years in a company your boss is treating you this way. see friend you are now well experienced. if you move out and approach a new job companies will definitely appoint you. dont continue in a job if you are not happy with such a lots of experience in you bag. move on. go out . open eyes ...so many companies are looking for experienced people like you.
i wish you all the best.
From United Arab Emirates, Dubai
i just cant believe even after working 10 years in a company your boss is treating you this way. see friend you are now well experienced. if you move out and approach a new job companies will definitely appoint you. dont continue in a job if you are not happy with such a lots of experience in you bag. move on. go out . open eyes ...so many companies are looking for experienced people like you.
i wish you all the best.
From United Arab Emirates, Dubai
look this is now common in most of the big organization where everybody wants their own person to make their own group on organization..so u have to just chill & try to fight back & prove the senior that u r the best.....& if u still think it is not good for u then u can talk to upper level bosses or move on to other..there is lots of organization..dont worry...just kick that person & move to othr....
From India, Ahmadabad
From India, Ahmadabad
Dear Mr Shetty and All
Every one have contributed their best points to the problem raised by Mr Shetty. I just want to add one or two lines from my personal experience.
1. The worst happens to us when there is more light waiting for us !!
2. The light could be in the same organisation waiting for you - take a chance to speak to your own boss and appraise him and get to know what is wrong, what went wrong, what are the expectations, did you fail, is there anything else that is expected and assure that you will try hard to meet them and see there could be encouragement.
3. If the outcome is biased, and not in your favour even after your sincere efforts, I think that is not the place you are required any more - look for a change - do not look back and keep worrying !
4. Your services and talents have become useless (even if you have more talents). so do not regret; look for a change
5. Be confident of your abilities and you are required at some other place for a better position and remuneration !!
6. Grab this opportunity to show your might at some other place !
7. It is a boon in disguise.
8. Do not blame the company; thank it, for, it gave a wonderful time and space for you to explore
9. Do not even blame the people for they gave you opportunity to introspect and get out to see your larger potential !!
10.Do not be with the people having mean mentalities and those who pay politics at work and play with your life
11.Quit the current company as early as possible if the situation is not favourable and all the best for a double or thribble salary with higher position and the best encouragement !!!
For your information, I left a large engineering company after 24 years of experience in secretarial and HR field and joined a Japanese company a few months ago when I reached a situation like you !! so you are not alone in this world !!
Life is calling you !! Just move out and see the wider world !!
Good luck and all the best,
K.Ramachandra
Bangalore
Every one have contributed their best points to the problem raised by Mr Shetty. I just want to add one or two lines from my personal experience.
1. The worst happens to us when there is more light waiting for us !!
2. The light could be in the same organisation waiting for you - take a chance to speak to your own boss and appraise him and get to know what is wrong, what went wrong, what are the expectations, did you fail, is there anything else that is expected and assure that you will try hard to meet them and see there could be encouragement.
3. If the outcome is biased, and not in your favour even after your sincere efforts, I think that is not the place you are required any more - look for a change - do not look back and keep worrying !
4. Your services and talents have become useless (even if you have more talents). so do not regret; look for a change
5. Be confident of your abilities and you are required at some other place for a better position and remuneration !!
6. Grab this opportunity to show your might at some other place !
7. It is a boon in disguise.
8. Do not blame the company; thank it, for, it gave a wonderful time and space for you to explore
9. Do not even blame the people for they gave you opportunity to introspect and get out to see your larger potential !!
10.Do not be with the people having mean mentalities and those who pay politics at work and play with your life
11.Quit the current company as early as possible if the situation is not favourable and all the best for a double or thribble salary with higher position and the best encouragement !!!
For your information, I left a large engineering company after 24 years of experience in secretarial and HR field and joined a Japanese company a few months ago when I reached a situation like you !! so you are not alone in this world !!
Life is calling you !! Just move out and see the wider world !!
Good luck and all the best,
K.Ramachandra
Bangalore
Interesting insights.
However, this is a typical situation on 'tensions' in organizations. Most times HR personnel will have to act by the side of the management. Some countries where the labour legislation is stringent have proactive HR personnel. But India is certainly not one among them (atleast in my view).
You are moving on as you said. But I often wonder how one interprets the many possibilities. People talking about escalating the matter, bringing in HR, etc. Often, a third person will 'try to resolve'... Its like two kids fighting and the parents interfere and tell them: Hey, stop fighting! Rather than immediately 'directing change' like, hey you, go and do something else, and you, go and do something else... The former situation is rather tricky and dangerous. The latter situation is the better bet, but one is hesitant to take 'drastic' measures that are only reasonable in such cases.
Its a phenomenon, you will be pushed down the food chain, rather slowly... So, you will slowly experience a downslide. The best way: Move out and move up!!!
I am open to hear views and cases where it worked, but I am not sure the case was fully replicated in the situations where success was mentioned... Or did I misunderstand? I don't know.
From United States, Daphne
However, this is a typical situation on 'tensions' in organizations. Most times HR personnel will have to act by the side of the management. Some countries where the labour legislation is stringent have proactive HR personnel. But India is certainly not one among them (atleast in my view).
You are moving on as you said. But I often wonder how one interprets the many possibilities. People talking about escalating the matter, bringing in HR, etc. Often, a third person will 'try to resolve'... Its like two kids fighting and the parents interfere and tell them: Hey, stop fighting! Rather than immediately 'directing change' like, hey you, go and do something else, and you, go and do something else... The former situation is rather tricky and dangerous. The latter situation is the better bet, but one is hesitant to take 'drastic' measures that are only reasonable in such cases.
Its a phenomenon, you will be pushed down the food chain, rather slowly... So, you will slowly experience a downslide. The best way: Move out and move up!!!
I am open to hear views and cases where it worked, but I am not sure the case was fully replicated in the situations where success was mentioned... Or did I misunderstand? I don't know.
From United States, Daphne
Dear Nikhil S Gurjar
I think you have not mistaken and have rightly analysed the issue; your following point gives the answer to the questioner and reflects my view above :
""Its a phenomenon, you will be pushed down the food chain, rather slowly... So, you will slowly experience a downslide. The best way: Move out and move up!!! ""
Regards
K.Ramachandra
I think you have not mistaken and have rightly analysed the issue; your following point gives the answer to the questioner and reflects my view above :
""Its a phenomenon, you will be pushed down the food chain, rather slowly... So, you will slowly experience a downslide. The best way: Move out and move up!!! ""
Regards
K.Ramachandra
Hello. First, while I don't want to be overly negative, it appears that your supervisor is disenchanted with you - from your point of view - or you are disenchanted with him/her. Do you remember the event that occurred that may have brought on this change? I do not always think that managers are correct OR manage the correct way. I also know that longevity of career is not always an indication of solid performance, great interpersonal skills or the necessity of promoting a person. Sometimes a person is not ready for a promotion for whatever reason. For this person to take over your responsibilities, are you being moved to a different opportunity? Why are you being sidelined? Are you a contractor or a W2 Employee? I want you to think about your performance reviews. Has there been any discussions there. I'm concerned, from an HR standpoint that you bring up nationality quite often. What do you think that has to do with the decision making process? Otherwise, there seems to be handwriting on the wall of replacement movement.
From United States, Falls Church
From United States, Falls Church
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