Hi ,
What hit me instantly is, why blame the employees when the firm gave a free hand ? Why are IM's and Chat sites permitted in the first place ?You cant take a kid to the candy store and say "look but don't touch ". It's as ridiculous as that .
You seem incredibly virtuous to have stayed off, that failed but apparently have enough time to eagle eye other folks at work .
Hr has complicated function and what you may not have complete view of,is best less commented about .its like the lay man saying astronomy is BS - it cant predict horoscopes and futures.
HR and its functions are as alien to you as Astronomy is to astrology .
Sorry for cutting the corners . Education aint always plain vanilla.
Seema Raghunath
From India, Mumbai
2What hit me instantly is, why blame the employees when the firm gave a free hand ? Why are IM's and Chat sites permitted in the first place ?You cant take a kid to the candy store and say "look but don't touch ". It's as ridiculous as that .
You seem incredibly virtuous to have stayed off, that failed but apparently have enough time to eagle eye other folks at work .
Hr has complicated function and what you may not have complete view of,is best less commented about .its like the lay man saying astronomy is BS - it cant predict horoscopes and futures.
HR and its functions are as alien to you as Astronomy is to astrology .
Sorry for cutting the corners . Education aint always plain vanilla.
Seema Raghunath
From India, Mumbai
Dear Sathya,
Already a few has given a suitable quote to your earlier posting, however i need to add a few words to you.
Please don't decide on others before knowing, i guess you can't come to a conclusion only by your experience, have you ever known a guy from a professional organisation, if not try to get a friend.
Discuss with those people, then you will know how they manage (work) to keep employees and organisation strategic business allignment in parallel direction. HR jobs are not just with a machine (computer, or any machine like others do) its all about the only asset "Human Resource" .
If you still need what we do, write to me at
, i will describe you.
- aravindan
PS: I welcome you for the opinion survey
Already a few has given a suitable quote to your earlier posting, however i need to add a few words to you.
Please don't decide on others before knowing, i guess you can't come to a conclusion only by your experience, have you ever known a guy from a professional organisation, if not try to get a friend.
Discuss with those people, then you will know how they manage (work) to keep employees and organisation strategic business allignment in parallel direction. HR jobs are not just with a machine (computer, or any machine like others do) its all about the only asset "Human Resource" .
If you still need what we do, write to me at
- aravindan
PS: I welcome you for the opinion survey
Dear All,
Although a lot has been said on this topic already, as an HR professional I cannot resist putting down my comments.
The first thing that one must understand is that there are incompetent and undeserving employees in every department. So if you have observed some HR people whiling away their time, it is not an extraordinary situation but remember that such is the case with other departments also; whether visible or not.
Secondly, as mentioned by others, HR does require some creativity and inspiration, and that is not always available at your desk. They need to walk around, get a feel of things and come up with action plans. Having said that, if they are always walking around, then obviously something is wrong. It is equivalent to a programmer sitting at his workstation and playing games the whole day.
Thirdly, HR has two very important roles to play. One, get the right people to do the job, so in a sense lay the foundation. This, by the very nature of it is such a huge responsibility that a lot of thought, research and analysis has to go on continuously in order to streamline the processes so that the job is done in the most cost effective manner and in the shortest time possible without compromising on quality.
Second, build and nurture the culture of the organization. This is so very important in terms of attracting fresh talent, retaining and developing the existing ones and creating a brand value. This task is so humongous(I know because I have been involved in this for almost 8 years now) that you hardly get time for anything else.
So the point is, if inspite of the above, HR people are getting time to faff around ( if indeed they are doing so and your observations have been accurate and not assumptions) then either you need to replace the person heading your HR Department (because obviously he is not giving them proper direction) or your HR department is overstaffed(which is why some people have nothing to do).
Thanks
Monoswi
From India, Mumbai
Although a lot has been said on this topic already, as an HR professional I cannot resist putting down my comments.
The first thing that one must understand is that there are incompetent and undeserving employees in every department. So if you have observed some HR people whiling away their time, it is not an extraordinary situation but remember that such is the case with other departments also; whether visible or not.
Secondly, as mentioned by others, HR does require some creativity and inspiration, and that is not always available at your desk. They need to walk around, get a feel of things and come up with action plans. Having said that, if they are always walking around, then obviously something is wrong. It is equivalent to a programmer sitting at his workstation and playing games the whole day.
Thirdly, HR has two very important roles to play. One, get the right people to do the job, so in a sense lay the foundation. This, by the very nature of it is such a huge responsibility that a lot of thought, research and analysis has to go on continuously in order to streamline the processes so that the job is done in the most cost effective manner and in the shortest time possible without compromising on quality.
Second, build and nurture the culture of the organization. This is so very important in terms of attracting fresh talent, retaining and developing the existing ones and creating a brand value. This task is so humongous(I know because I have been involved in this for almost 8 years now) that you hardly get time for anything else.
So the point is, if inspite of the above, HR people are getting time to faff around ( if indeed they are doing so and your observations have been accurate and not assumptions) then either you need to replace the person heading your HR Department (because obviously he is not giving them proper direction) or your HR department is overstaffed(which is why some people have nothing to do).
Thanks
Monoswi
From India, Mumbai
Discussion has important role in Managment. Actually they(HR personnels) are not chatting. They are giving instructions, counselling and delevering something. Vinod K.G.
It is funny to read that HR people chat and only chat. By seeing anybody how u reached to this conclusion that all HR person r busy in chatting.
In today's scenario no employer or organisation is fool that it will hire anybody or retain anybody just to chat. It is easy to comment but wise person thinks before doing any comment.
The role and significance of HR in the industry needs no intorduction. It is beceause its importance some people try to target it, its just shows their attitude, and only some sort of greivance or bitterness is reflected by these kind of comments.
All human beings are not alike. Every department, every feild, any organisation have different kind of people, but to do this kind of blunt comment is wrong.
Rathar than the HR person is involved everywhere in the day to day function of the HR. He is involved with the employee at each and every step of his employment since his joining and leaving.
I think your organisation must not be having proper HR functions or right people to work in the responsible role of HR.
I suggest you that join some good organisation where you can personally see and understand the relevance of HR, and see what actually HR Department is and what actually HR person is.
Thanks,
From Australia, Balwyn
In today's scenario no employer or organisation is fool that it will hire anybody or retain anybody just to chat. It is easy to comment but wise person thinks before doing any comment.
The role and significance of HR in the industry needs no intorduction. It is beceause its importance some people try to target it, its just shows their attitude, and only some sort of greivance or bitterness is reflected by these kind of comments.
All human beings are not alike. Every department, every feild, any organisation have different kind of people, but to do this kind of blunt comment is wrong.
Rathar than the HR person is involved everywhere in the day to day function of the HR. He is involved with the employee at each and every step of his employment since his joining and leaving.
I think your organisation must not be having proper HR functions or right people to work in the responsible role of HR.
I suggest you that join some good organisation where you can personally see and understand the relevance of HR, and see what actually HR Department is and what actually HR person is.
Thanks,
From Australia, Balwyn
Hi All
It is really nice to see your comments, My question was only to clear my doubt but not intend to hurt any ones feeling or their job, well The title was selected just to catch all your eyes...... well it was achived to continue I have been working in one org and what I saw I shared May be in big organization where there are 1000+ employees then obviously the HR will be busy in his work but we are only 6 in our regional office and job of the hr you can understand It will be on 9th to send Grivencies... 17th to send attendence and 1st to get printout of salary slip... thats it No mingle..... No training....... No motivation.......... just we pass (I mean talking about me) time...... Well every one makes a mistakes thats why Pencils always have rubber....... May be your comments will rub the doubts I had...... Really thanks and keep positing your comments Being a Marketing Guy I have choosed HR.... forum as this will improve my knowledgee extra......... Hey all kuch jada hei bolgaya kya... Go Everyone Keep going and enjoying your work
From India, Madras
It is really nice to see your comments, My question was only to clear my doubt but not intend to hurt any ones feeling or their job, well The title was selected just to catch all your eyes...... well it was achived to continue I have been working in one org and what I saw I shared May be in big organization where there are 1000+ employees then obviously the HR will be busy in his work but we are only 6 in our regional office and job of the hr you can understand It will be on 9th to send Grivencies... 17th to send attendence and 1st to get printout of salary slip... thats it No mingle..... No training....... No motivation.......... just we pass (I mean talking about me) time...... Well every one makes a mistakes thats why Pencils always have rubber....... May be your comments will rub the doubts I had...... Really thanks and keep positing your comments Being a Marketing Guy I have choosed HR.... forum as this will improve my knowledgee extra......... Hey all kuch jada hei bolgaya kya... Go Everyone Keep going and enjoying your work
From India, Madras
Why do we always have to react so strongly to things as if someone has stepped upon our paining wounds...?!
Let's refresh our basics:
HR is supposed to build and contribute towards making a strong and affable culture ...correct ?
Now the question is how does one do it...?! .
Making policies...?! that make you feel good when you read them wont work...
comps/benefits/?! doubts on this one too...
having an impressive ambience for your people?! wont work either....
Are'nt you supposed to be a part of your organisation's buliding blocs ...your people ? To identify and understand where it hurts the most...try talking to one of your grumbling employees in your cosy cabin...( chances are that he wont speak a word!)
Try it out having a coffee in a smokers zone (if you smoke ;) )or in the lobby just taking a general break...see the difference...
HR is not just about managing Human resources...more so it is on Relation ship bulding...In fact most successful HRs would be the ones who are seen socializing with othe employees...
Building trust...being empathatic....sensing trouble before it even rumbles...that's what you do when you are chatting around with people.
Ofcourse if you are going overboard...it simply means that there are serious problems that need to be addressed!
Ensure to be a friend when one needs...a mentor for someone who has to be taught to learn...a stick when prodding is important ...a carrot when pushing!
That's HR chatting :)
Kamal
From India, Pune
Let's refresh our basics:
HR is supposed to build and contribute towards making a strong and affable culture ...correct ?
Now the question is how does one do it...?! .
Making policies...?! that make you feel good when you read them wont work...
comps/benefits/?! doubts on this one too...
having an impressive ambience for your people?! wont work either....
Are'nt you supposed to be a part of your organisation's buliding blocs ...your people ? To identify and understand where it hurts the most...try talking to one of your grumbling employees in your cosy cabin...( chances are that he wont speak a word!)
Try it out having a coffee in a smokers zone (if you smoke ;) )or in the lobby just taking a general break...see the difference...
HR is not just about managing Human resources...more so it is on Relation ship bulding...In fact most successful HRs would be the ones who are seen socializing with othe employees...
Building trust...being empathatic....sensing trouble before it even rumbles...that's what you do when you are chatting around with people.
Ofcourse if you are going overboard...it simply means that there are serious problems that need to be addressed!
Ensure to be a friend when one needs...a mentor for someone who has to be taught to learn...a stick when prodding is important ...a carrot when pushing!
That's HR chatting :)
Kamal
From India, Pune
Let’s change the title. Your statement that "Why All HR Personals are busy in chatting?" the statement itself is null and void. There is a chance that most of the HR Personnel are gossiping, chatting and playing politics...but not in all the companies and not all the professionals.
Many companies don't allow internet accessing. Examples of such companies are: TCS, ICICI, Infosys etc.
I hope this will help.
Regards
Sanjeev Sharma
From India, Mumbai
Many companies don't allow internet accessing. Examples of such companies are: TCS, ICICI, Infosys etc.
I hope this will help.
Regards
Sanjeev Sharma
From India, Mumbai
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